Beginning to hate my rig -- microstutter!

[lavaheadache]

Just want to start off by saying stock or overclocked the problem persists. 780ti microstutter is a biotch.

4770k
780ti x2
Win 8.1

The only way that this thing feels smooth is to make sure frame rate is 100% locked at 60 with a frame limiter. Even if I'm at 60 fps with vsync it is terrible. Frame rate must be capped with a limiter. 60 smooth, 59... Not at all.

Single card is great. Heck, 40 fps on a single card is better than 75fps uncapped on dual, lol.

The problem is driver agnostic. I've tried all the current ones.

Like I said, frame capped is great... Until I have a dip below 60.

I've tried different monitors, mice (because sometimes I almost feel like it is mouse related), monitor cables, card placement, bios's, you name it. I would try win 7 but I'm waiting for my new SSD to show up before I do that.

Can anybody share some experiences with me?

I have a lot of coin into this thing and it sucks that by making it less powerful it runs better.


VIDEO- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etKR_a97S50

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Better video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5-GU7gaqSI


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Problem solved. Something is wrong with the old motherboard. I was in Microcenter a couple days ago so I picked up a new Asus Maximus VI Hero. Finally got around to making the swap. Instantly the problem vanished. I didn't even reinstall windows (though I will). I just swapped the board and let windows reconfigure itself. Very painless process.

 

[Gloomy]

I know you have a 4K monitor. Does it only happen at 4K?

Can you test at a really low resolution? Just to see if it's an issue with SLI bridge bandwidth...

quick edit: I see you've tried different monitors... oh well, there goes my idea

 

[lavaheadache]

ok, so I just plugged in my 360 controller and the problem vanishes. Mouse + Sli = suck except when frame capped and able to maintain 60 fps.

360 controller = great even down to 35 fps.

Thing is that I've tried other mice with no success. I even just swapped out to a dell track pad and it was garbage.

 

[Attic]

I've run SLI and Crossfire and have the same frustration. Folks are bothered by it to different degrees. I'm very bothered by screen tearing and a bit OCD with these things.

Only thing that worked for me with MS, was Vsync and keeping frames locked to 60fps. I did not need to use a limiter to alleviate of stutter issues in the vast majority of my games with those dual card setups.

You may be more sensitive to the stutter.

I've also noticed the stutter in some games on single card despite vysnc and 60fps and it is very irritating. The solution in those games was to use a frame limiter solution. Darksiders II was one and I can't recall the other game i noted this in.

SSD won't resolve the issue. Drop settings until you lock at 60 with your limiter because I think you'll be happier there than with higher detail and dips below 60.

Edit: hmm, nm. My info runs between kb and 360 controller use, but mainly 360 controller use.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Have you tried turning off adaptive vsync in Nvidia Control Panel?

I don't understand, this is not suppose to happen. Which games are you playing?

( High end rigs are always full of bugs )

 

[Enigmoid]

Have you played around with mouse settings?

 

[Grooveriding]

Are you running a Logitech mouse ? If so uninstall the POS software for it, causes lots of issues.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

People think I'm nuts, but I notice the input lag any time my games drop below 120fps on my 120hz monitor. You're probably seeing the same issues with 60hz.

 

[3DVagabond]

As Groove says, try running the mouse on the standard Windows drivers with no additional software installed. (Even if it's not Logitech)

 

[Gloomy]

Could it be that W8.1 mouse bug and not microstutter? I remember there was some hoopla about W8.1 running mice at really low polling rates by default a while back. That should manifest as "jittery" input. Make sure your mouse is running at 1000Hz...

 

[lavaheadache]

mouse I'm using is a death adder 2013. Drivers aren't installed currently but with or without the problem is the same.

I have tooled around with the settings some but there doesn't seem to be any correlation between polling rate and the stutter. It could be the windows 8 mouse issue cropping up but that was seemingly fixed since noise about that seems to have died down. It makes me wonder if the issue is specific to my rig.

It's crazy cause onscreen movement is nice and smooth with the keyboard or 360 controller but regardless of what mouse I use and I have a few and even the track pad, movement sucks... unless I am frame capped and reaching that limit.

I made a video but it is kind of hard to tell since playback isn't exactly the best.

 

[lavaheadache]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etKR_a97S50 hopefully you guys can tell from this video

 

[omeds]

Could it be that W8.1 mouse bug and not microstutter? I remember there was some hoopla about W8.1 running mice at really low polling rates by default a while back. That should manifest as "jittery" input. Make sure your mouse is running at 1000Hz...

I had/have the same issue under win8.1. I had to edit some reg keys to get rid of the jitters. It's a pain in the ass because each game exe has to be added separately.

 

[omeds]

Try this OP, it solved my issues. Scroll down to "Fix Other Games via the Registry"


http://www.howtogeek.com/175722/how-to-fix-mouse-lag-in-pc-games-on-windows-8.1/


Note you have to do it for desktop, then each game you want to play. PITA I know.

 

[alcoholbob]

Sounds like a mouse driver issue and not sli. Not that i wouldn't avoid SLI regardless. Although I might be forced it later this year when I get a 4K monitor as I doubt a GTX 880 will be fast enough to run 4K at decent (above 40fps) framerates.

 

[BrightCandle]

Definitely can see that in the video, its pretty bad.

I had problems within Windows 8.1 with mouse stutter on the desktop (never got to games) and haven't installed it since. Frankly the mouse batching they are doing is just another example of power saving gone horribly wrong.

 

[lavaheadache]

Sounds like a mouse driver issue and not sli. Not that i wouldn't avoid SLI regardless. Although I might be forced it later this year when I get a 4K monitor as I doubt a GTX 880 will be fast enough to run 4K at decent (above 40fps) framerates.

dude a 780 runs 4K decent... "Ultra" settings have can have diminishing returns for some very taxing settings.

I have 2 Ti's which for all intentional purposes can run max settings.


- honestly if I could install Windows 7 and fix this I would. Is it worth the shot?

 

[Deders]

how is the 4K screen hooked up? Do you have to have 2 outputs from the graphics card?

It might be a Multi Display issue with SLI, You could try experimenting with the Multi Display settings in NVCPL.

Do you still have to run both outputs from the same card or is there room to try different ports?

 

[UaVaj]

if keyboard and xbox controller can smoothly pan. problem is not on the system but the input device. has to be mouse input lag. track pad is moot.

this is not microstutter. it is mousestutter.

 

[lavaheadache]

if keyboard and xbox controller can smoothly pan. problem is not on the system but the input device. has to be mouse input lag. track pad is moot.

this is not microstutter. it is mousestutter.

Why does it go away with a frame cap at 60(provided that I can push that many) but is still prevalent at higher uncapped?

 

[BrightCandle]

Just out of curiosity can you capture the fraps frame times, interested to see if I recognise a pattern in it.

 

[Annisman*]

This is why I abandoned dual and triple card setups after multiple years of owning them. I found the fps gain was often wasted by microstutter. I'm a single card man until it's one day eliminated.

 

[guskline]

if keyboard and xbox controller can smoothly pan. problem is not on the system but the input device. has to be mouse input lag. track pad is moot.

this is not microstutter. it is mousestutter.

Sounds like the answer. Do you have a basic USB mouse to try? Have you contacted the support at Death Adder?

 

[p_monks33]

Lava, I didnt read through the whole thread, so if this has been mentioned please ignore. I had the same problem with select game with GTX 680 SLI and my logitech G9X. I had to go into the mouse software and turn the polling rate down below 200. It is a known issue with mice that have extreme polling rates.

 

[el etro]

( High end rigs are always full of bugs )

Sadly, is this.