Beginning to hate my rig -- microstutter!

[KaRLiToS]

We need a third competitor.

 

[SlickR12345]

Buy a car next time for that money.

 

[tweakboy]

Just raise the vcore voltage and Bus speed x multi .

gl

 

[alcoholbob]

Buy a car next time for that money.

You mean a like a used Ford Pinto? Even a bare bones Honda Civic is like 18k these days. That's like the price of 8 complete SLI 780Ti rigs...

 

[Venomous]

I have the same mouse and had a similar issue with crossfire 280x's. I went into the razer software.

Performance Tab: Polling Rate 500

Go into Calibration and hold down right, left and wheel button down for about 10 secs. Choose your surface and you should be all set.

What I noticed with the deathhadder '13 is the surface calibration doesn't stick out of the box due to the major shitness of the software. Hope this helps.

 

[hans030390]

I had a similar issue. Part of the problem was the mice I had on hand to try. They didn't have great sensors, high polling rates, or they had snapping/correction built in to assist with drawing lines. Got a mouse with a known good sensor, the Deathadder, installed the Synapse software, and upped the polling rate. I also personally prefer setting the DPI to 4800 and turning the Windows sensitivity down. I know many will claim that's wrong, but it simply feels best/smoothest to me subjectively. Either way, this helped a lot with mouse movement.

I solved other microstutter issues by using D3DOverrider to force v-sync and triple buffering. I have the same options enabled in my GPU settings. And I enable the settings in games too. I know, redundant and silly, but it works for me. Sometimes this requires a bit of tweaking depending on the game, but that's just a matter of figuring out what settings work well together and maybe adjusting an ini file a bit. There are also some games that have issues with stuttering no matter what, including TES/Fallout games from Bethesda, and sometimes you can find user mods and tweaks to alleviate this.

In a nutshell, I basically require a nice, smooth mouse with a perfect sensor and a high polling rate in combination with every single game running v-sync and triple buffering if at all possible. The stuttering and tearing just kill me otherwise.

Best of luck in troubleshooting! I hope it's not some weird underlying issue, especially hardware.

 

[tweakboy]

Have you tried and BIOS flash the GPU and CPU BIOS to latest. gl

 

[KompuKare]

@lavaheadache have you got a PS/2 port to try on your motherboard?
I am a firm believer in having the choice to use PS/2 and I always look for motherboards with PS/2 ports because newer isn't always better!

Remember, the initial USB keyboard spec has/had a 10 key max so when the design the USB spec for keyboards they were not thinking of gamers. Maybe something similar applies to USB mice.

Anyway, if you have a PS/2 and mouse it might be worth trying that.

 

[p_monks33]

The only mouse I had that seemed to work well, without a bunch of settings, in Crysis titles with SLI, was the 5 dollar dell optical I had for setting up new pc's. I know it sounds like we are beating a dead horse, but there are too many common denominators between what I experienced and what you are having. Crysis 1 is the worst of the three, I tried all 3 games, every setting in nvidia control panel, a Logitech G9X , and a Razer , it was the mouse causing issues. Don't scrap your rig over a mouse issue man . It's just those three games too. Get a 2 dollar mouse on craigslist and give it a shot, if you want, I will ship you a ghetto mouse for free lol, I have tons of them around the house.

 

[tential]

I had a similar issue. Part of the problem was the mice I had on hand to try. They didn't have great sensors, high polling rates, or they had snapping/correction built in to assist with drawing lines. Got a mouse with a known good sensor, the Deathadder, installed the Synapse software, and upped the polling rate. I also personally prefer setting the DPI to 4800 and turning the Windows sensitivity down. I know many will claim that's wrong, but it simply feels best/smoothest to me subjectively. Either way, this helped a lot with mouse movement.

I solved other microstutter issues by using D3DOverrider to force v-sync and triple buffering. I have the same options enabled in my GPU settings. And I enable the settings in games too. I know, redundant and silly, but it works for me. Sometimes this requires a bit of tweaking depending on the game, but that's just a matter of figuring out what settings work well together and maybe adjusting an ini file a bit. There are also some games that have issues with stuttering no matter what, including TES/Fallout games from Bethesda, and sometimes you can find user mods and tweaks to alleviate this.

In a nutshell, I basically require a nice, smooth mouse with a perfect sensor and a high polling rate in combination with every single game running v-sync and triple buffering if at all possible. The stuttering and tearing just kill me otherwise.

Best of luck in troubleshooting! I hope it's not some weird underlying issue, especially hardware.

You know the OP has your mouse right?

 

[lavaheadache]

here is a follow up video filmed with the help of my wife so I could use 2 hands and really bring to light the issue

I failed to mention or show that I have changed the polling rate but I have tried everything rate from 125- 1000 that I was able to change. I also falied to show that I used a generic Dell usb optical mouse too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5-GU7gaqSI


Maybe it could be a MST issue too cause there are definitely underlying problems with that and my system. Like a cold boot problem with the monitor pre powered on. But that's another story =)

 

[Jodell88]

You're right, that is unplayable. D:

 

[Pandora's Box]

Lava I know it's an expensive option but have you tried a different motherboard?

I don't think it's an issue with 780 Ti's, as mine run perfectly fine and this is the first report of a stutter with them.

 

[lavaheadache]

it could my board... I just don't have another sli board.

 

[ZGR]

Have you tried a game in borderless windowed mode?

 

[digitaldurandal]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2062...s-8-1-mouse-issues-but-not-for-all-games.html

May be related.

 

[lavaheadache]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2062...s-8-1-mouse-issues-but-not-for-all-games.html

May be related.

It happens in Windows 7 too

 

[rgallant]

HPET ???

you could look at post #58 [OLD BUT WHO KNOWS]
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=381879&page=3

or this one
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=368604
this one makes my head hurt

hpet issuse +sli + usb [mouse]- mb bios maybe

 

[lavaheadache]

HPET ???

you could look at post #58 [OLD BUT WHO KNOWS]
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=381879&page=3

or this one
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=368604
this one makes my head hurt

hpet issuse +sli + usb [mouse]- mb bios maybe

Just tried it, no luck.. thanks for the suggestion though.

 

[UaVaj]

never really paid attention to it - play sniper most of the time.

thanks for pointing this out. now this mouse stutter easily pop out and easily get distinguish when playing running/panning around and/or playing non sniper. :''(

using a microsoft wireless mobile mouse 4000.

 

[lavaheadache]

never really paid attention to it - play sniper most of the time.

thanks for pointing this out. now this mouse stutter easily pop out and easily get distinguish when playing running/panning around and/or playing non sniper. :''(

using a microsoft wireless mobile mouse 4000.

what are you running for cards?

 

[UaVaj]

680 tri sli.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

I had something like that with my Logitech travel mouse and hd 7770. Minecraft was the only game I played, but it want crazy for a few weeks. Turns out I was overdrawing usb power limits. LED keyboard+desk fan+HDD+mouse didn't work I guess. Ended up taking the external HDD off the keyboards ports and put it on the front panel and it's worked since then.

 

[lavaheadache]

680 tri sli.

Did I ruin it for ya ? =p

 

[UaVaj]

yes. a little. ignorance is bliss.
that mouse stutter was always there. just never paid much attention to it.

anyway. microsoft mouse 4000 properties does not have much to tweak.
turn off "enhance pointer precision" and that reduced the mouse drag length by ~50% on the desktop (feels like old ball mouse is back and now have to lift the mouse 2.5 times vs 1 time to drag across surround) and that also reduced pointer speed a little. next - increased the pointer speed up a notch. now pointer speed is almost back to normal. hopefully this will be the new normal.

in game (bf4). panning was not perfect (compare to keyboard) but much much smoother than before.

my $2 says that the mouse tracking input gets amplified/accelerated by windows which adds noise. that noise shows up in game as mouse stutter. this is one of those "i am dump so be smart for me" features. hate these type of features. some of us are capable of making decision for ourselves.

if one desire better mouse tracking. buy a better mouse. not stupid software acceleration bandage. (have a reason to spend $$$ for a gaming mouse now - )

google enhance pointer precision agrees.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/156685-enhance-pointer-precision-option-on-windows

http://www.overclock.net/t/1325470/enhance-pointer-precision-in-windows-on-or-off/0_50

your mileage may vary.