Being smart/educated is rather useless

[gooseman]

Hmmm. I, as well as my employeer, find it very usefull to be smart and educated.

 

[amok]

SammyBoy, not entirely true. Those people that are willing to work hard, and prove they are willing to do the crap work that comes with ANY job may be a better investment for an employer than someone that has brains but only does a half-assed job . IMO, the education system is similar to real life in the fact that you have to do a lot of crap work. My job basically consists of thinking, yet I often find myself bogged down with frustrating, mundane paperwork.

 

[SammyBoy]

I do not main stupid brainless troll work, I just refuse to do it in school cuz I get nothing out of it. I work in a few places, and just about none of it is interesting. Helping my dad fix holes in walls and stuff and put down flooring at his office is about the most fun thing I do, (my current job is completely computerizing his entire inventory system at a dental office)

It just really bothers me that I am the dumb one when I am not spending all of my time on homework, play a sport every season, futz around and learn stuff on the computer, screw off with my friends, and have a lot more fun than them. It just REALLY annoys me to think there is a good chance they will be more successful than me although they have no real world skills.

stupid suck up homework do-ers.......

 

[SammyBoy]

I do not main stupid brainless troll work, I just refuse to do it in school cuz I get nothing out of it. I work in a few places, and just about none of it is interesting. Helping my dad fix holes in walls and stuff and put down flooring at his office is about the most fun thing I do, (my current job is completely computerizing his entire inventory system at a dental office)

It just really bothers me that I am the dumb one when I am not spending all of my time on homework, play a sport every season, futz around and learn stuff on the computer, screw off with my friends, and have a lot more fun than them. It just REALLY annoys me to think there is a good chance they will be more successful than me although they have no real world skills.

stupid suck up homework do-ers.......

 

[RossGr]

Sammy Boy, READ The Denis Leary quote in my sig. That is all about "quit yer bithchn
'. Are you aware that a scientist, much like a pro athlete, is over the hill by age 30! If you are only 1/2 as smart as you claim to be you will get up from the computer, and hit the books. Man kind has been accumlating knowledge for 2000+ yrs. In order for a person in this day and age to contribute new information to this body of knowledge requires 20yr of education. (12 through HS 8 more of college) this really means that you have no time to waste. What you are saying is a cop out, get to work, learn to do your best now, and continue to do your best. You will not reget it in the long run.

 

[Whisper]

Sammy...if you aren't willing to put effort into your schooling, then of course it's going to suck. Don't blame the US for actually rewarding those who are dedicated; blame yourself for not being as such.

I remember back in high school when the "popular" thing to say was that you didn't try and still got by fine. If anything, I'd say THAT is much more harmful than the rewards given those who actually do put effort in. For it will be those hard-working students that really have an edge in life, and the others -who spend their time making excuses, or pawning off their "bad luck" on others- that will be forced to play catch up.

It all really comes down to how you measure intelligence. There's the genetic quotient of what you're good at, how much information your mind can process, etc; and then there's the sweat portion, related to just how much you're willing to work for what you want. I personally would place more importance on the latter as opposed to the former, and it would seem that most business people feel the same way.

After all, I'd rather have a motivated "dummy" than a lazy "genius." Who do you think will end up getting more done? What you COULD do doesn't matter; what you HAVE done does.

 

[OS]

urgh, alot of you seem to be getting the impression that this post is about materialism, so I edited my first post.

 

[RossGr]

Outer square, unfortunately materialism cannot be ignored. I tend to believe that is currently what is wrong with both the leagal and medical professions. How many doctors and lawyers got to where they are not because of a love of the profession but because of the picture of the Beamer pasted to 'fridge. Educaction is 90% persperation and 10% inspiration. Really for the most part you do not have to be smart but you do have to be willing to work. At some point you may have to choose between your family life and your career. Unfortunaltly it may be the smartest that realize it ain't worth it, and let the less intelligent but more ambitious win in the end.

 

[Outfits]

Sorry man, I can see your frustration growing (you ended your last edit sentence with a preposition) but I'm still not clear on just WHAT you are asking. Can it not be used for whatever you choose? Is it not enough that it is with you every minute of every day? Is it not enough that you know this? Would you rather be a moron with security, safety, health, success, fame, fortune, wealth, physical well-being, love, friendship, happiness, satisfaction, nor a sense of achievement? Perhaps you should take a little time to just feel the joy of being alive, think of just how wonderful it really is to breathe,to feel,to be here(planet earth) relax a little.
There are only two things that are guaranteed, and you most likely know what they are. Though you may temporarily evade one,the other is a done deal. Enjoy what you have today.

 

[OS]

I'd much rather be perpetually happy and content than intelligent actually.

 

[OS]

<< What you COULD do doesn't matter; what you HAVE done does. >>



Nice, good qoute. Even the most obvious things sometimes are completely worth pointing out.

 

[Ranger X]

&quot;It's not what you know but WHO you know&quot;

 

[Outfits]

Are you not smart enough to have both? Maybe you need to change the way you evaluate your life.

 

[OS]

<< Are you not smart enough to have both? Maybe you need to change the way you evaluate your life. >>



I don't think there is any correlation between happiness and intelligence.

I don't know, the world is an incredibly messed up place, it's not that my life especially sucks or anything, it's just kind of hard to be happy when you know that there is some poor guy out there starving, when there are kids who need parents, etc and knowing at the same time that you are powerless to cause any real change.

 

[Moonbeam]

&quot;There are a million paths in life and they all lead nowhere. Choose a path that has a heart.&quot;

This discussion, without self understanding, is pretty useless.

What are happiness, intelligence, ambition, education?

 

[Outfits]

I don't think there is any correlation between happiness and intelligence.

I believe the later can most certianly be used to achieve the former.



<< I don't know, the world is an incredibly messed up place, it's not that my life especially sucks or anything, it's just kind of hard to be happy when you know that there is some poor guy out there starving, when there are kids who need parents, etc and knowing at the same time that you are powerless to cause any real change. >>



I have walked the streets of Juarez,Mexico many times and understand all too well your feelings here. If I could change that myself I would, but I don't believe any one man can. Some things just ARE, for no good reason.
Take a load off dude.

 

[OS]

<< Some things just ARE, for no good reason. Take a load off dude. >>



So how do you personally deal with knowing that human suffering is universal but at the same time keeping your happiness?

 

[Sandor]

Intelligence will get you opportunities.

Outfits- I often agree that one person can hardly change anything, but I've always enjoyed this lyric from Sick of it All- &quot;You can't change the world, but you can change yourdelf&quot;

 

[Elledan]

Intelligence, curiosity and honesty don't get you far in this life.

To become happy and successful, it's often necessary to cheat and kick others back into the ravine they climbed out of.

An excellent example of why education and a diploma doesn't have to mean anything: Albert Einstein got kicked out of school because he was a lazy, uninterested pupil. Later in his life, he becomes a legend in physics.

And ironically, education is what highly talented individuals make fail. Only if you're average or lower than average you've a big chance to become 'successful'.

Curiosity is smothered quickly and honesty is punished.

 

[jeremy806]

Being smart is important, but so are many other things like being hard working. You need both -- gotta be smart enough not to screw things up, hard working enough to get them done.

Nothing is that certain, if you are that smart, you know that you should get formal education and work experience.

Also, I am not trying to give you a hard time. I see a lot of people that I feel are less smart than I am but make a lot more money than I do. However, my life is going well enough, and I keep that in mind. There will always be people getting a better break than you in life, that's the way it goes, be thankful for what you have.


jeremy806

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Because I don't have a degree I can't earn very much at all regardless of how much I know. >>



Often times a potential employer sees your degree, in terms of your commitment to excellence.

What you have learned in gaining the degree may be secondary, in his mind.

Faithfulness to a lofty goal, that has been proven, is priceless to an employer.



ed...sp

 

[Squisher]

I agree that ambition, hardwork and dedication have the greatest part in success, but you should apply those traits to your schoolwork to give you the best foundation from which to give you that success. You play as you practice. Another and probably the greatess factor to success is a confidence in yourself that will cause you to assume risks in your career. A person afraid of the greater responsibilities with be destined to dwell in the same place. How do you gain that selfconfidence? By achieving, and this will start with your schoolwork and move on to your career of choice.

 

[Marauder-]

To get the smart women?

Nah - probably not. Refer to Jerk Thread.

 

[Pastore]

This is the way I see it...

To get a good job you need a degree, and to get a degree you don't necessarily have to be all that smart, you just have to work REALLY hard... So, once you get the degree, you can basically get a job in your field of expertise... BUT, to keep that job, you must show your employer that you are an intelligent person, and are smart...

Thats just the way I think of it

 

[fragarific]

I believe the college graduates are sour because they know what you're saying is entirely true. If you have the ambition, you wouldn't need a degree. Maybe we're all taking the easy way out by staying in school in a basicly non-competitive environment(unless you go to CMU).