BellAtlantic DSL...worth it?

KateA

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I am moving to VA next month and was wondering if anyone out there used DSL. I am used to cable modems but it is much cheaper to get DSL. Is there much of a difference? If not, where would one go to get a 'DSL modem' instead of buying it through the company? Any info would be very helpful. Thanks.
 

reitz

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I work for an ISP that competes with Bell Atlantic in offering DSL here. Both use the same lines and equipment, but Bell's service is vastly inferior. Almost once a day I take a call from a dissatisfied customer asking how much it would cost to switch to our service.

Bell's reliability is terrible, at least in Pittsburgh. Not only do their customer complains of frequent service interruptions caused by issues with Bell's routing (which only affect their customers), the have frequent connectivity problems (which affect all DSL customers using Bell Atlantic phone lines). We've had new customers sign up for our DSL, and wait weeks for Bell to straighten out all the problems with their phone line (on top of the normal set up time).

The modems that are compatible with their service are garbage. Current offerings range from $125 (internal) to $225 (external, ethernet). The $225 model is of [almost] acceptable quality, but still often needs to be power cycled to get it to work again. The internal one is not worth $40, IMO. After installing it, customers have complained of countless conflicts, crashes, and overall system instability. I have no hard stats on it, but it seems like the average user of that one needs to reboot his machine at least once or twice a day to regain connectivity.

My advice? Find a local or regional ISP that offers DSL, and ask if they have any service that does not use Bell Atlantic's phone network. Currently, my company offers another competing service that uses Northpoint (http://www.northpoint.net), and the customers subscribing to it so far seem much happier. Due to the fact that Bell does not permit line-sharing, a new phone line needs to be run to the house, raising set up fees and adding $5/mo to the monthly cost. The modem is also much more expensive ($275 for the cheapest modem, but so far none of our customers has had to send return a defective one), but IMO it's worth it. Current charges for that are in the neighborhood of $250/setup, $275/modem, and $45-$55 for the slowest (784kbs SDSL).

If you can't find a DSL offering that does not use Bell's lines, at least go with a local ISP. You're still at the mercy of the phone company (read: possibly frequent outtages), but at least you've elminated one area where you're likely to find problems.

The problems with Bell Atlantic might be specific only to the Pittsburgh area, but I wouldn't gamble on it. I've had the misfortune to deal with Bell in a few different regions (for other services), and my experience has been that Bell's service, reliability, and billing department is positively pathetic no matter where you are.

My $.02. If you've got any questions I can answer, feel free to email me. I can give you some ballpark prices, based on what Bell and other ISP's charge here, but you'll need to contact someone in VA to be sure.
 

reitz

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Check out http://www.northpoint.net/about_partners.asp?CityID=1035 for a list of Northpoint DSL partners in that area. Links open in a new window.

A quick check of a few of them showed a couple of decent deals. If you're a little new to all this, I'd be happy to help you find a decent service, if only to prevent one more person from going with Bell.
 

Harvey

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Ooh, I hope Bell Atlantic DSL is a good provider. They're merging with GTE and whoever else under the Verizon name. GTE has eternally sucked in California. Maybe I will finally get a shot at some good DSL.

Out here, Pac Bell serves most of Southern Ca., but GTE has their historic monopoly grip on a minority of us. Pac Bell's base rate for POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) is $11.xx, while GTE's is $17.xx. :|

Pac Bell offere DSL for $39.95 per month with free installation, free DSL modem, and a firewall, and PacBell.net IP service. My friends who have them say they are a pretty good ISP.

GTE's price is either $39.95 or $49.95, depending on who you talk to, on which day, and how you hold your mouth, which includes gte.net as your ISP. YECHHH...!!!. You can get it for $32 per month and choose another affiliated ISP (not all are available). That still leaves you at over $50 per month.
 

KateA

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Ok, I think I should explain myself a little better. I am moving to Arlington Va to an apartment building. I do not have many options. Bell Atlantic is the company which provides the phone service for the entire building. The manager says that Bell Atlantic also provides the DSL service. I know the tv cable company has a cable modem system but if it isnt installed in the building already, I can only imagine how much they will charge me to install it. Which leaves my choices at 1.Dialup (blah) 2.Bell Atlanic DSL (which you all say sux) or 3.Cable modem which will leave me penniless. If anyone can offer me any more advice I am willing to listen. Thanks again.
 

reitz

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KateA, go to http://northpoint.emarkethost.net/mk/get/getdsl2000 and put in your address and phone number. Use the generic address for the building. If you don't have a phone number yet, use the main one for the building (or complex). The fact that you live in an apartment building should have nothing to do with whether or not you can receive DSL through a Northpoint partner.

If DSL is available for you, the next page will have links to ISP's offering the service, and the prices they charge. Check them all out, and pick the one that's best for you.

Please, whatever you do, DON'T GO WITH BELL ATLANTIC. If Bell is your only choice, go with cable.

Harvey,

Sadly, Bell Atlantic should actually be an improvement for you. My mother is unfortunate enough to live in an area served by GTE. I remember reading in the newspaper that one of the main stumbling blocks to the merger was that Bell had to draft a plan to modernize GTE's service across the country. Most locations served by GTE are using slightly upgraded late 1950's technology. GTE DSL finally became available in my mother's area (less than 1500 feet from the CO) only a few months ago.

The network there is so bad that I often would have problems calling my girlfriend (about ten miles away). Kept getting fast busies or &quot;We're sorry, all circuits are busy now. Please try your call again later. We're sorry, all circuits...&quot; Just wait till you get to deal with Bell Customer service, though.
 

PCAddict

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You know what they say about opinions. Well, here's mine. The quality of one DSL provider versus another really varies depending on the area. In the NY/NJ area Bell Atlantic basically sucks. I have had Bell Atlantic DSL for 3 months and have no complaints. I was one of the first people connected in my county once the service became available here. I have had exactly two outages. One lasted 8 hours and one lasted 2 hours. Both were over a month ago. I am in the Philadelphia, PA area. Everyone I know in this area who has Bell Atlantic has had no problem as well. However, I have heard of many issues with Northpoint. A guy I work with is dealing with an ongoing situation with them right now. Someone else I know is being bounced like a superball between three companies, one being the DSL provider, one being the ISP, and one being Bell Atlantic. No one can seem to solve the problem, or even acknowledge that it is on their end.

After reading the various threads on this board on this subject, I think that your best advice is to see what is working for people in your area.
 

Viper22

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Ive read it here and at http://www.dslreports.com about Bell Atlantic Sucking for DSL. I have had my DSL line for almost a year now and have had no problems at all with my line. it has gone down 2 times due to major storms in the area and thats it. Ive never had a problem other than that with it. BTW I am in MD about 15min away from DC.
 

Mday

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so i guess you should read what virgnia people have to say about BA. of course it'll take forever... (pages are pretty big).
 

Gatsby

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BA DSL is the worst DSL in the Baltimore region.

its sad because tahts the only DSL I can use because my apt buidlings wiring is so bad.

If I were you go to http://www.dslreports.com and find a dsl provider that uses covad or northpoint.

And another reason to hate BA DSL is that it uses PPPoE.. so you are getting Dial Up DSL. Its strange I find that the modem tricks to speed up a connection like connecting and reconnecting work with PPPoE.

So I say again.. STAY AWAY FROM BA DSL at ALL costs. use them as A LAST Resort.

and if you did not here it

BA DSL IS THE LAST RESORT FOR DSL.

even aol is more reliable than BA DSL.

Gatsby
 

PCAddict

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Battousai

Where in Philly are you? Everyone I know in this area has had no problems. I keep my connection active 24/7 (SETI &amp; RC-5) so I know it hasn't gone down at all on me except for those two times I mentioned.
 
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