I agree. Just reference our current President. Entertainer turned Birther-in-Chief. The Apprentice was YUGELY successful.
You're making the mistake of assuming that someone's political positions and / or beliefs have a direct correlation to their level of competence in some other aspect. That's a terrible assumption to make. There are plenty of celebs, actors, actresses, sports people etc that I think are complete idiots when you hear them talk, but that doesn't mean they aren't good at their particular craft.
At some point they became citizens and later told their offspring where they immigrated from. Many people went on to become productive and valued citizens of the USA. They are immigrants.
You're going to have to elaborate on that one, and may I remind you: immigrate is a verb.
Interesting point, however the baby sure as sh*t wasn't an abductee. Children are recognised in most countries as being the responsibility of their parents who make decisions in their best interests. Slaves did not immigrate to countries like the US, they were abducted.
Your "verb" argument is completely useless as the definition has nothing to say other than "to enter and usually become established; especially : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence".
You can't say slaves didn't immigrate purely by definition. But clearly by reading this thread there are numerous meanings that people attach to the word.
Immigrant is not a verb, it's a noun.
He said "there were other immigrants....". He was using the noun to describe the people. So yes, you can be abducted and taken to another country and be an immigrant, though not by choice.
What about if someone kidnaps a baby from a wonderful loving home and then takes them to another country?
A verb is a 'doing' word. 'Immigrate' is a verb, and its intention is obviously defining intent, otherwise there is no point in the word. Otherwise there's no distinction between a commuter, a slave or a tourist. These words have distinct meanings, regardless of whether some people don't understand what those meanings are.
So you tools defending this idiocy from Carson are... useful?
I am not seeing the outrage you are suggesting those of us disagreeing with what Carson said as having. What I am seeing are people saying outright that his words were stupid. There is absolutely no definition war to be had here. Slaves were not immigrants no matter how base and simple you opt to be. It's not us that are splitting hairs over words. It's you. No I don't think he was being malicious. I think he was being insensitive, ignorant and blasé. Of course he should be called out on it.
No outrage here just acknowledging Carson's ridiculousness. He earned it.
Oh they perfectly understand considering slaves to be immigrants is meant to diminish slavery, which is why they choose to defend it from that side of history.
Yeah I bet Ben Carson sits around and thinks "Man, how can I diminish slavery today?".
He's very good at what he does for all his... whatever. If your kid needed the best he'd be on the short list, or should be.
both twins were reportedly "far from normal" two years after the procedure, with one in a vegetative state.[94][95][96][97] "I will never get over this . . . Why did I have them separated?" said their mother, Theresia Binder, in a 1993 interview.[94] Neither twin was ever able to talk or care for himself, and both would eventually become institutionalized wards of the state.
[The brain] remembers everything you've ever seen, everything you've ever heard. I could take the oldest person here, make a little hole right here on the side of the head, and put some depth electrodes into their hippocampus and stimulate and they would be able to recite back to you verbatim a book they read sixty years ago. It's all there, it doesn't go away, just have to learn how to recall it.
He's a brain surgeon, and I am not. But.... I find that claim somewhat incredible. The brain being a mushy organic thing, I wouldn't expect it to do much of anything perfectly and permanently. Can decades-old memories actually be pulled from the brain with some kind of electrical stimulation? Is there some basis for this claim? He made a similar claim in Gifted Hands for Kids.
I don't see how it could be true unless one thinks the brain is magical which I do not. The brain is vast (1011 neurons with 1014 synaptic connections) but it's still finite. I'm sure that many memories can be recovered but everything a person's experienced over the course of a lifetime just seems too much. I realize that's essentially an argument from incredulity but I also think that Carson is viewing the brain as some kind of magical, metaphysical organ. Just like his magical pyramid scheme.
Based on the header for this thread I disagree. It became about that but really it's about the degree to which Carson is a moron (it's significant). Then the Republicans-do-wrong crew got their underwear in a bunch to defend something not worth defending. His ignorance in that moment was evident. Everyone should hold him to a higher standard.The whole premise of this post is "splitting hairs over a word".
Well, that's debatable..he's supposedly world famous for separating conjoined twins. But according to his wikipedia bio, was that most of those surgeries had tragic outcomes. In only one case did both twins survive without severe impairment. But "Two sets of twins died, including Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh Bijani; another separation resulted in the death of one twin and the survival of another, who is legally blind and struggles to walk." And in the most famous case, his first.
If my kid needed "the best" he would be at the bottom of the list...
He also said in that talk about slavery:
He's a brain surgeon, and I am not. But.... I find that claim somewhat incredible. The brain being a mushy organic thing, I wouldn't expect it to do much of anything perfectly and permanently. Can decades-old memories actually be pulled from the brain with some kind of electrical stimulation? Is there some basis for this claim? He made a similar claim in Gifted Hands for Kids.
I don't see how it could be true unless one thinks the brain is magical which I do not. The brain is vast (1011 neurons with 1014 synaptic connections) but it's still finite. I'm sure that many memories can be recovered but everything a person's experienced over the course of a lifetime just seems too much. I realize that's essentially an argument from incredulity but I also think that Carson is viewing the brain as some kind of magical, metaphysical organ. Just like his magical pyramid scheme.
Based on the header for this thread I disagree. It became about that but really it's about the degree to which Carson is a moron (it's significant). Then the Republicans-do-wrong crew got their underwear in a bunch to defend something not worth defending. His ignorance in that moment was evident. Everyone should hold him to a higher standard.
Show me a surgeon, not a lancer of boils, who has had a long career without sad consequences. My profession is health care and I've seen the good, bad and ugly. He has a very good record and that's not up for debate.
The rest? Memories have been stimulated by electrodes is a documented fact. The problem is that we've learned that this isn't a very good therapeutic tool except perhaps down the road for traumatic injuries.
1011 neurons? The human brain has on the order of 100 billion. Mystical? No, but mysterious. Once Richard Feynman said to the effect "if you say you understand quantum mechanics it means you don't understand quantum mechanics". The same can very well be applied to the brain. We know very little but yes it is finite and that has been my basis for discussions on the limits of science with others. "Compile a list of all things you aren't smart enough to know about". That could be reworded in a number of ways, but to the same end. We really don't know all that much and that includes Carson.
Show me a surgeon, not a lancer of boils, who has had a long career without sad consequences. My profession is health care and I've seen the good, bad and ugly. He has a very good record and that's not up for debate.
1011 neurons? The human brain has on the order of 100 billion.
Pretty obvious he just missed the ^, ie 10^11 neurons w/ 10^14 connections.
Also pretty obvious nothing feynman said applies much to either carson nor you.
Especially those that separate conjoined twins.
I'm guessing VRAMdemon meant 10^11
Conspiracy? Are you conspiring to misconstrue my words and intentions?And I disagree with the above. No ignorance, you just have a different understanding of a word than he does. Not everything has to be a giant conspiracy from the GOP...
It's analogy and anyone who says they understands the brain does not. The gross anatomy and major locations of processes, yes. Basic electrochemistry, yes. Some exciting stuff on the horizon? Yes, but there is too much complexity to be dissected out with today's state of the art. No serious neuroscientist would say that he or she knows all or most of what is going on. It will be fun to learn though.
Carson literally says he understands the brain well enough to do this: "make a little hole right here on the side of the head, and put some depth electrodes into their hippocampus and stimulate and they would be able to recite back to you verbatim a book they read sixty years ago", as quoted just above. Try mastering basic reading skills before moving onto medicine or science.
I'll play for a bit since you are in troll mode. What I said, not what you wanted me to say is that memory stimulation is possible. I did not say that Carson's opinions regarding that fact were useful, nor even mention what they were. That was irrelevant to my point which was as stated, memory can be stimulated by electrodes but it is not useful. You missed that. You have a fixation clearly demonstrate by your need to take plainly stated words and twist them. I'll put you back to ignore since discussing things with you is impossible in any constructive way and you are again on the attack. That's not healthy. Get better soon, adios.