No one in my family history has ever described what happened as immigration or being considered as immigrants.
Technically, since slaves were considered as property, they can't be labeled as immigrants.
No one in my family history has ever described what happened as immigration or being considered as immigrants.At some point they became citizens and later told their offspring where they immigrated from. Many people went on to become productive and valued citizens of the USA. They are immigrants.
Didn't Obama once say, "we are all immigrants, unless you're native american" ?
I'm pretty sure blacks aren't native american.
Weird how it's only a problem when conservatives say these things.
Lol, absolutely not. A slave is enslaved against their will. The slaves brought to America did not want to come to America. An immigrant is intentionally making the chose to make another place their home for a multitude of reasons. You are being obtuse by making such a simplistic comment.
I'll say it again. No, a slave is not an immigrant. I return your sigh and up you a shake of my head.
im·mi·grant
ˈiməɡrənt/
noun
a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.
Here's the definition:
Where in that definition do you see anything about someone's free will, intentionally making a choice blah blah blah? There's nothing there about free will. So technically, Carson is correct and you are wrong. Of course, we all understand that there's nothing voluntary about slavery and that people being forced to come to the US as slaves is not the same in nature as someone who comes here in pursuit of opportunity. So he didn't phrase something as well as he could have... oooooooh, outrage!
With all the actual issues, this is the kind of useless crap you get outraged over?
The stupid runs deep in this one.At some point they became citizens and later told their offspring where they immigrated from. Many people went on to become productive and valued citizens of the USA. They are immigrants.
Where in that definition do you see anything about someone's free will, intentionally making a choice
Nah, not really, he just says stupid shit on a regular basis.I think Carson is like Madonna "I've thought a lot about blowing up the white house!" in that once in a while they feel the need to say stupid shit to make headlines because otherwise no one would pay any attention to them. They are what Kurt Vonnegut referred to as Granfalloons. "If you wish to study a Granfalloon, simply remove the skin from a toy balloon."
Was that a double back flip with a twist? Well done.Admit it, this topic has all the hallmarks of making !@#$ up on an opponent. It might as well be one of Trump's 3am tweets.
Carson did not intend to diminish slavery and you know it. That whole context is your projection onto him.
Yes, he has a history of saying odd things, of standing by them too. This isn't one of them.
Immigrate is a verb. If you were abducted and taken to another country, you didn't immigrate. If you were abducted, that made you an abductee. If you immigrated, you are an immigrant.
Calling slaves "immigrants" is akin to calling illegal immigrants "undocumented." While both are technically true statements they completely mischaracterize the essential nature of what's being described for stupidly transparent political reasons.
Moving speech. America is the "can-do society". I like it.
I like the part where he said that the sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters of immigrants pursue prosperity and happiness in America too.
Moving speech. America is the "can-do society". I like it.
I like the part where he said that the sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters of immigrants pursue prosperity and happiness in America too.
Yes, we get the underlying point he was trying to make, and if we extend him the common courtesy we'd expect ourselves would presume he's not making that statement on racist grounds or to dismiss slavery. Yet that still doesn't change the fact that it was a stupid way of getting across his intended point and that as a Cabinet official he must do better job of not saying stupid things that offend. That's the circle of life in politics, sometimes you say something stupid (normally unintentionally), you get flamed on the internet for it, you make a half-ass apology for it, and you move on and try not to say stupid sh!t anymore. No matter what political team you're on it helps your own credibility if you denounce the stupid sh!t when it happens rather than trying to defend your guy. They're not kids and this type of criticism won't permanently damage them.
What the hell is he going on about and what does it have to do with housing?
Bizarre.
Can anyone imagine letting this guy cut into your brain knowing what you know of him now?
earlier in his career, maybe, now, hell no. he's exhibited too many signs of either flat out ignorance or dementia.He's very good at what he does for all his... whatever. If your kid needed the best he'd be on the short list, or should be.
earlier in his career, maybe, now, hell no. he's exhibited too many signs of either flat out ignorance or dementia.
Yes, we get the underlying point he was trying to make, and if we extend him the common courtesy we'd expect ourselves would presume he's not making that statement on racist grounds or to dismiss slavery. Yet that still doesn't change the fact that it was a stupid way of getting across his intended point and that as a Cabinet official he must do better job of not saying stupid things that offend. That's the circle of life in politics, sometimes you say something stupid (normally unintentionally), you get flamed on the internet for it, you make a half-ass apology for it, and you move on and try not to say stupid sh!t anymore. No matter what political team you're on it helps your own credibility if you denounce the stupid sh!t when it happens rather than trying to defend your guy. They're not kids and this type of criticism won't permanently damage them.
PC brigading is getting old.
An immigrant doesn't have to be an immigrant by their own choice or free will (again, refer to the definition). You can be an abductee and an immigrant. If a 1 month old baby is brought across the border by their parents, do you not consider the baby an immigrant because they had no choice in the matter? Nonsense, an immigrant is defined as "a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country", which would include people immigrating whether by their own choice or not.
An immigrant doesn't have to be an immigrant by their own choice or free will (again, refer to the definition). You can be an abductee and an immigrant.
If a 1 month old baby is brought across the border by their parents, do you not consider the baby an immigrant because they had no choice in the matter?
Immigrate is a verb. If you were abducted and taken to another country, you didn't immigrate. If you were abducted, that made you an abductee. If you immigrated, you are an immigrant.
earlier in his career, maybe, now, hell no. he's exhibited too many signs of either flat out ignorance or dementia.
fine, let him perform surgery on you or your family, I prefer to trust someone with my life who doesn't think the pyramids were grain silos for some biblical mythical being.You're making the mistake of assuming that someone's political positions and / or beliefs have a direct correlation to their level of competence in some other aspect. That's a terrible assumption to make. There are plenty of celebs, actors, actresses, sports people etc that I think are complete idiots when you hear them talk, but that doesn't mean they aren't good at their particular craft.