If Ben Shapiro impresses you, it's time to get serious about educating yourself. Sorry.
I would suggest you ignore other people's opinions and descriptions of him and make up your own mind by listening to him speaking his own words. See if you find him bullying and divisive.
None of this I would rank as very important to do and I have not made too much of that effort myself, but enough to find trying to get my own handle on him interesting.
I note also that my reaction to this thread generally is that I see some sort of emotional need people have to quickly put people in boxes they can label and put up on their 'categorized' shelf. I find that to be unhealthy. It's not that I don't do that too but I hope to be aware of it when I do and never glue the box shut.
Thank you for that. I started feeding leftover chicken parts to three local crows that were slowly displaced by 11 feral cats and 4 raccoons. One of the kittens has decided to move in with me.May I recommend an alternative to Ben Shapiro?
As usual I struggle to feel assured I grasp your intent. What I am hearing is that you are basically saying that you find Shapiro to be an arrogant prick and that the kind of dialog that engenders is not something that appeals.I did watch and read some. In my head I was speaking more generally to other's impressions rather than my own. I don't have a great sense from what I've seen to draw from individually. There is some hope he genuinely desires honest discourse. I would find it interesting to have such a discussion with him. I have seen his language and reactions trending to reinforce a notion that such discourse is defeated because of a biased other which has turned me off to seeking more. Of course, there is a significant bias in my sampling.
Even still, unless I see will to erase the dyadic reinforcement of these mutual impressions, the situation is in effect divisive, and that is not something I desire to see more of.
As usual I struggle to feel assured I grasp your intent. What I am hearing is that you are basically saying that you find Shapiro to be an arrogant prick and that the kind of dialog that engenders is not something that appeals.
If that is even remotely descriptive then let me continue with this:
I am not really interested in Shapiro's political views but in the reaction he creates. I find him to be eloquently vocal in his expressions of contempt for the left, and in particular the reaction that elicits from those very people. (I am taking it that this is what you don't like.) I find them to be easily triggered and moved to stereotypical insults in return. What I hear coming back to him is an equal measure of contempt but never at the specifics of what he says, but as a basket of typical right hating complaints, a cabbage load of predictable assumptions. And this interests me because I feel it is the reason that liberals lose elections, they can't get their heads around the fact that conservatives are concerned about a much broader spectrum of moral concerns than they are and all of them have played a role in human survival. The left is morally bankrupt compared to the right and as a result always message the same thing, basically that conservatives are stupid, when in fact it's the left that is morally stupid.
I am not talking here about who is more moral than whom. Few seem to question their own morality and naturally take it as the standard of perfection. I think I know this better than many perhaps because I tried to prove that and failed.
For this reason, that fact that I seem to be a conservative who is a liberal in that I can see those many moral values liberals ignore, I hope to wake up a few here as to why they continually lose elections. I feel the way the left reacts to Shapiro is similar to why they lose elections. They can't see where he is coming from and become shit throwing apes. Sorry.
And, of course, because I call into question their own moral certainty, suddenly I'm Mr. Shapiro. Years of awareness that the reason anyone's criticism would bother me is because I already believe it myself, helps me to 'endure' so to speak.
As usual I struggle to feel assured I grasp your intent. What I am hearing is that you are basically saying that you find Shapiro to be an arrogant prick and that the kind of dialog that engenders is not something that appeals.
If that is even remotely descriptive then let me continue with this:
I am not really interested in Shapiro's political views but in the reaction he creates. I find him to be eloquently vocal in his expressions of contempt for the left, and in particular the reaction that elicits from those very people. (I am taking it that this is what you don't like.) I find them to be easily triggered and moved to stereotypical insults in return. What I hear coming back to him is an equal measure of contempt but never at the specifics of what he says, but as a basket of typical right hating complaints, a cabbage load of predictable assumptions. And this interests me because I feel it is the reason that liberals lose elections, they can't get their heads around the fact that conservatives are concerned about a much broader spectrum of moral concerns than they are and all of them have played a role in human survival. The left is morally bankrupt compared to the right and as a result always message the same thing, basically that conservatives are stupid, when in fact it's the left that is morally stupid.
I am not talking here about who is more moral than whom. Few seem to question their own morality and naturally take it as the standard of perfection. I think I know this better than many perhaps because I tried to prove that and failed.
For this reason, that fact that I seem to be a conservative who is a liberal in that I can see those many moral values liberals ignore, I hope to wake up a few here as to why they continually lose elections. I feel the way the left reacts to Shapiro is similar to why they lose elections. They can't see where he is coming from and become shit throwing apes. Sorry.
And, of course, because I call into question their own moral certainty, suddenly I'm Mr. Shapiro. Years of awareness that the reason anyone's criticism would bother me is because I already believe it myself, helps me to 'endure' so to speak.
I am not really interested in Shapiro's political views but in the reaction he creates. I find him to be eloquently vocal in his expressions of contempt for the left, and in particular the reaction that elicits from those very people. (I am taking it that this is what you don't like.) I find them to be easily triggered and moved to stereotypical insults in return. What I hear coming back to him is an equal measure of contempt but never at the specifics of what he says, but as a basket of typical right hating complaints, a cabbage load of predictable assumptions. And this interests me because I feel it is the reason that liberals lose elections, they can't get their heads around the fact that conservatives are concerned about a much broader spectrum of moral concerns than they are and all of them have played a role in human survival. The left is morally bankrupt compared to the right and as a result always message the same thing, basically that conservatives are stupid, when in fact it's the left that is morally stupid.
It was my sense that you are open to exploration that made me direct my post specifically to you. I would agree that what you called normative is indeed, but a major part of my desire to post here has to do examining why what is is what is. I believe we are prisoners of unexamined assumptions and being a prisoner isn't a good thing. I also believe that people believe they are up to their noses in shit and live a life with the constant prayer, don't make a wave. I knew a man once who said he could help me and asked that I throw all of that shit on him. He said that my shit fertilized his garden. No matter how hard people tried, they just couldn't make that guy's nose wrinkle up. I would like to be like that were it not for the fact that I'm what passes for normal and have an unconscious drive to keep it that way.That's not what I was saying about myself. But it is reflective of what I'm observing. As I said, the observation is dyadic. What that means is that it's a reflection of the interaction of both parties. Since that kind of interaction is so pervasive in the attitudes expressed here and in the limited exposure I've given myself to his writing and interviews, I am supposing that this kind of interaction is more or less normative.
On a broader scale, I find what you describe extremely important and not limited to Mr. Shapiro or President Trump. There's a lot to say there, and there's a lot that I became aware of answering your query that makes me want to explore my own attitudes more. But I decided to stick more or less to the framework of the thread for my comment.
Could I please have your notes. I watched the video with the wap stuff in it only because it was posted. As far as the wap portion, on my own I would never have seen it and I do not feel that had I not seen it I wouldn't have missed a thing. Whatever that was it isn't interesting to me and that may only be because I have no idea what that was and am quite content not knowing.Jfc... if you see the video “wap” and you think that that is degrading towards women or feminism you need to realize you are looking into a mirror... you are arguing with your own bigotry. Take notes.
You are preaching to the choir. Somewhere above I tried to explain that having more moral concerns doesn't mean a person is morally superior. In fact it just means there are more areas where their morals can be screwed up. It is this fact that drives liberals to moral outrage in my opinion. They can get really fucked up. The problem is that liberals turn against the whole area of moral concerns they don't share with conservatives believing that whole area is bad. Take respect for authority. It leads to dictatorship when it should lead to wisdom, like you listen to me, Dear Child, when I tell you not to eat toad stools.The problem with his "eloquence" is that it's a shell game. He knowingly uses it to mask false claims and make hateful rhetoric seem more palatable. Does the expression "flatter to deceive" ring a bell? We can go into specifics, as he makes statements that are easily disprovable or clearly fuelled by hate, but this thread is more about Shapiro in general.
Liberals are plenty aware that conservatives have more moral concerns. But that doesn't make the left "morally bankrupt;" it just means that they're not trying to impose their specific morality in areas where it doesn't belong. If you truly believe in freedom of religion, you also believe that it's wrong for government policies to favor particular religions. I'd say "respecting other religions and the non-religious" is a tremendously moral thing, especially for a government that's supposed to be secular.
Remember, one of the perpetual hypocrisies of the modern right is that it claims "small government" but loves to invade your bedroom and impose theocracy.
Then you obviously dont have the same problems that Ben has. The only plausible reason Ben has a problem with that video is that he finds it degrading to women, thus he has an image of how *real* women should behave. Its the same thing with abortion rights. None of your fucking business. Dont impose your definition of "right" on other people? Its that same old same old : If you do things different from me you are doing it wrong.Could I please have your notes. I watched the video with the wap stuff in it only because it was posted. As far as the wap portion, on my own I would never have seen it and I do not feel that had I not seen it I wouldn't have missed a thing. Whatever that was it isn't interesting to me and that may only be because I have no idea what that was and am quite content not knowing.
It was my sense that you are open to exploration that made me direct my post specifically to you. I would agree that what you called normative is indeed, but a major part of my desire to post here has to do examining why what is is what is. I believe we are prisoners of unexamined assumptions and being a prisoner isn't a good thing. I also believe that people believe they are up to their noses in shit and live a life with the constant prayer, don't make a wave. I knew a man once who said he could help me and asked that I throw all of that shit on him. He said that my shit fertilized his garden. No matter how hard people tried, they just couldn't make that guy's nose wrinkle up. I would like to be like that were it not for the fact that I'm what passes for normal and have an unconscious drive to keep it that way.
Do you then suggest there is a something that can be defined as a real woman? It sounds like you are similar to him except you believe that real women act one way in his case and some other way in your own. Personally, I believe that both women and men can be very hung up, anywhere from extreme sexual perversion to prude emotional deadness. Do you think think there are people who are sexually healthy and others not so much? Do you think your view on that is right to the exclusion of others who think differently? What I see here is a war of opinions and no touch stone to tell me whose are the gold standard.Then you obviously dont have the same problems that Ben has. The only plausible reason Ben has a problem with that video is that he finds it degrading to women, thus he has an image of how *real* women should behave. Its the same thing with abortion rights. None of your fucking business. Dont impose your definition of "right" on other people? Its that same old same old : If you do things different from me you are doing it wrong.
Also, someone should send Ben a text with a link to some squirting orgasms on pornhub ... bucket and mob.. good job Ben, but not on your wife it seems.
Yeah I had wondered where you were coming from in putting the question to me. I think there is a lot to say about this, in my own exploration and in observing others. What unsettles me about leaving the topic where I did originally is that the problem is very relevant and important. Not having a President embody it won't make it go away. And, unfortunately, Trump has already gotten his toadies to lend credibility to his fake election challenges. Them being defeated legally and Biden being sworn in in January won't do anything to stop the narrative from living on. We have segments of America who are being forcibly divided by actors within their own camps. So long as the threat of losing place in one's own tribe is greater than the threat of losing connection to those outside, very few are going to stand up to it from within. Qui tacet consentit. Silence is consent.
To that end, watching Ben Shapiro gave me an odd hope. He puts his finger directly on the problem, but I see him also desiring to maintain integrity of his own point of view (within himself anyway). I think his tendency to act out the divisions is his own participation in a system he did not create. But I haven't seen him demonstrate awareness of this. Perhaps he might someday.
To me you guys sound like you are standing in the middle of this system of turbulence, trying to solve complex aerodynamic equations in hopes of turning this thing around, however, if you took a step back and watched the system as a whole its air in from the right, out the left. As long as you have entities as Fox State TV pushing air, its gonna be air in from the right and air out the left.
No I dont?Do you then suggest there is a something that can be defined as a real woman? It sounds like you are similar to him except you believe that real women act one way in his case and some other way in your own. Personally, I believe that both women and men can be very hung up, anywhere from extreme sexual perversion to prude emotional deadness. Do you think think there are people who are sexually healthy and others not so much? Do you think your view on that is right to the exclusion of others who think differently? What I see here is a war of opinions and no touch stone to tell me whose are the gold standard.
Absurd. No matter who you point to we all stand on the shoulders of those before us .. turtles all the way down. There is no difference between you and me.Who would you say are the greatest people in history?
Your words push me to the place I can't consciously hold always in memory to a place of of acceptance and surrender to the silence proper for the nobody within me, the realization that set me free from existential no exit suffering, the realization of presence where there is only love and perfection, nowhere to go, nothing to become, no need to win anything or need to hold on to any position. Lo though I walk through the shadow of death I will fear no evil, there, the rod and the staff that satisfy both the wolf and the sheep within me, quiet waters in the Garden of Eden where the lion lays down with the lamb, all this metaphors from a world once seen. A butterfly flapped its wings and a blast of wind hit my house and nothing has ever since been the same in all its sameness.Yeah I had wondered where you were coming from in putting the question to me. I think there is a lot to say about this, in my own exploration and in observing others. What unsettles me about leaving the topic where I did originally is that the problem is very relevant and important. Not having a President embody it won't make it go away. And, unfortunately, Trump has already gotten his toadies to lend credibility to his fake election challenges. Them being defeated legally and Biden being sworn in in January won't do anything to stop the narrative from living on. We have segments of America who are being forcibly divided by actors within their own camps. So long as the threat of losing place in one's own tribe is greater than the threat of losing connection to those outside, very few are going to stand up to it from within. Qui tacet consentit. Silence is consent.
To that end, watching Ben Shapiro gave me an odd hope. He puts his finger directly on the problem, but I see him also desiring to maintain integrity of his own point of view (within himself anyway). I think his tendency to act out the divisions is his own participation in a system he did not create. But I haven't seen him demonstrate awareness of this. Perhaps he might someday.
Your words push me to the place I can't consciously hold always in memory to a place of of acceptance and surrender to the silence proper for the nobody within me, the realization that set me free from existential no exit suffering, the realization of presence where there is only love and perfection, nowhere to go, nothing to become, no need to win anything or need to hold on to any position. Lo though I walk through the shadow of death I will fear no evil, there, the rod and the staff that satisfy both the wolf and the sheep within me, quiet waters in the Garden of Eden where the lion lays down with the lamb, all this metaphors from a world once seen. A butterfly flapped its wings and a blast of wind hit my house and nothing has ever since been the same in all its sameness.
Absurd. No matter who you point to we all stand on the shoulders of those before us .. turtles all the way down. There is no difference between you and me.
Sounds like good advise. One quick question though. How do I know when I'm dealing with a douchebag moron? The last one I saw looked identical to me. And if somebody I love tries too kill him or herself in my presence for reasons that can likely be mitigated, it's not going to happen if I can prevent it physically. Sorry, I can be really mean.No I dont?
Whatever floats your boat, woman man everything in between and whatnot.
I got a few things I'd like to see from my fellow human beings of course. You respect my freedom I respect yours. Equality. Freedom of speech etc. Other than that, you do you and I do me. Power to you. Lots of love.
BUT if you are an intolerant douchebag moron ... well ... fight fire with guns and all that.