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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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I wish I could be there with you to share it. Mirror neurons or something, maybe.
We will need a time machine. I'm having fits trying to get my Nas to work at the moment. The atmosphere here is filled with expletives deleted.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Sounds like good advise. One quick question though. How do I know when I'm dealing with a douchebag moron? The last one I saw looked identical to me. And if somebody I love tries too kill him or herself in my presence for reasons that can likely be mitigated, it's not going to happen if I can prevent it physically. Sorry, I can be really mean.
"Well, sometimes… you gotta cut a motherfucker."
A neo nazi about to turn on the oven cause you jew or maybe a hizbut tahrir fella about to stone your daughter to death cause she gay... You know, same recipe, morons trying to snuff out your freedom cause you do things differently from them.
All you gotta do is respect my freedom and Ill respect yours.
I get the point you are trying to make and I'm telling you its not sustainable. You food.
 
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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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"Well, sometimes… you gotta cut a motherfucker."
A neo nazi about to turn on the oven cause you jew or maybe a hizbut tahrir fella about to stone your daughter to death cause she gay... You know, same recipe, morons trying to snuff out your freedom cause you do things differently from them.
All you gotta do is respect my freedom and Ill respect yours.
I get the point you are trying to make and I'm telling you its not sustainable. You food.
Ah what foods these morsels be.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Sounds like good advise. One quick question though. How do I know when I'm dealing with a douchebag moron? The last one I saw looked identical to me.
You could listen to what they say and take notice of what they do? Maybe? I don't think anyone has suggested going by 'looks'.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Why am I not surprised that Moonbeam is defending Shapiro?

Its just misguided “see his pain and realize he is a scared little boy” rhetoric... Whether that observation is true or not have little effect on the outcome. Its this simple realization the “self identifying good people” fails at. You gonna put your hand on Shapiro and heal him? Turn him from the dark side? Please.
 
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Its just misguided “see his pain and realize he is a scared little boy” rhetoric... Whether that observation is true or not have little effect on the outcome. Its this simple realization the “self identifying good people” fails at. You gonna put your hand on Shapiro and heal him? Turn him from the dark side? Please.

I think its more the same shit as Peterson. Simply put, I think he sees himself in them. Which honestly is sad since I don't think he's actually espoused anything close to what those two have. Moonie genuinely doesn't understand the hateful rhetoric because his own brain just starts meandering in that similar empty "saying a lot but not really saying anything" way and so his mind tunes out the specifics of what's being said and goes to interjecting his own thoughts. Or maybe he's just duped by their "genteel" BS and doubletalk, where Moonie just sees other "misunderstood" white dudes spouting mostly nonsense that sounds smart because they try and dress it up and make it confusing when it really isn't. Neither Peterson or Shapiro seems to actually have an original thought on basically any subject (and frankly both seem to be regurgitating BS from like 75-125 years ago - the type of stuff that enabled the worldwide insanity that occurred during that time span) and seems more that they just have a way of talking like an elitist to people that hate elitists without those people hating them as well (likely mostly because they look like an average middle aged white guy from now). Even then I don't think its that they enjoy either of them, its that they know they both get called out for their horrible shit by liberals.

I pointed out in another thread, that the only thing of Peterson's actually getting through to the people he's targeting is old school call anything remotely liberal "Marxist" and demonize the hell out of it. I'm not sure if it was Peterson himself that a co-worker was listening to, but it literally sounded like a religious sermon and was completely devoid of actual argument and was just declaring Marxists evil (while trying very hard to sound like its not villifying the people its talking about when it 100% was, and essentially whipping up fear to justify it). My co-worker started claiming that Peterson debated some atheist and destroyed him with simple "you can't disprove God" argument when I'm guessing it just turned into a "well you say its not god but other people do, you can't tell them it isn't without being them!" or "every culture makes up god to believe in" type of shit.

Moonie seems completely blind to their bullshit for some reason. That or he needs to take his own advice and actually see more from them because holy shit if you can't see how f'ed in the head especially Shapiro is, I don't even know what to say. Its like he truly believes that as long as he doesn't get excitable when saying white supremacist shit that somehow validates it. Of course when called on it he tries to backtrack immediately and say that people are mischaracterizing him (while they literally read his exact quotes) because he knows he can't actually defend the horrible stupid shit he says to non-shitty people so he just tries to frame it as them attacking him. He's a fucking clown that deserves the Richard Spencer treatment.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I feel confident that neither of us are on that list. And also that everyone on that list at some point wasn't and was chided for not towing the line at the time. I do not think I'll ever make the list, but when not towing the line feels more true to myself, I believe I am doing my best.
Most people that have reached a certain level of self-awareness are on that list.
 
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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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You could listen to what they say and take notice of what they do? Maybe? I don't think anyone has suggested going by 'looks'.
Oh I didn't identify him by looks nor did I say I did. I just told you who he looked like to me, and the expression 'to look like' does not limit a description simply to a visual one anyway, or so it seems to me. In describing a duck, I might mention how it sounds etcetera.

But the important point, the one that many here seem not to grasp, is that when you tell me to look at what he says and what he does, what you anticipate the result to be is that I will hear and see what you hear and see and that never seems to get questioned. And what is it you hear and see, in my opinion, are unexamined assumption that you are qualified to the belief that you are right about it. Sadly, of course for you, I failed with I tried to do that and here I am, calling your imperious certainty into question. And the result.......some pretty passionate efforts at dismissive derision. Gosh, I was taken completely off guard.

Please, I don't give two shits about Shapiro. I care that you live in a prison and do not know that you do. I don't even care about your certainty about things. I am too. What I find unfortunate is the resistance to the fact there is nothing you believe that you can prove. You think and you argue in words and they are all from the past, conditioned and relative. The truth can never be known by that means. Hope you and yours are safe and well. I like your posts alot.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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I think its more the same shit as Peterson. Simply put, I think he sees himself in them. Which honestly is sad since I don't think he's actually espoused anything close to what those two have. Moonie genuinely doesn't understand the hateful rhetoric because his own brain just starts meandering in that similar empty "saying a lot but not really saying anything" way and so his mind tunes out the specifics of what's being said and goes to interjecting his own thoughts. Or maybe he's just duped by their "genteel" BS and doubletalk, where Moonie just sees other "misunderstood" white dudes spouting mostly nonsense that sounds smart because they try and dress it up and make it confusing when it really isn't. Neither Peterson or Shapiro seems to actually have an original thought on basically any subject (and frankly both seem to be regurgitating BS from like 75-125 years ago - the type of stuff that enabled the worldwide insanity that occurred during that time span) and seems more that they just have a way of talking like an elitist to people that hate elitists without those people hating them as well (likely mostly because they look like an average middle aged white guy from now). Even then I don't think its that they enjoy either of them, its that they know they both get called out for their horrible shit by liberals.

I pointed out in another thread, that the only thing of Peterson's actually getting through to the people he's targeting is old school call anything remotely liberal "Marxist" and demonize the hell out of it. I'm not sure if it was Peterson himself that a co-worker was listening to, but it literally sounded like a religious sermon and was completely devoid of actual argument and was just declaring Marxists evil (while trying very hard to sound like its not villifying the people its talking about when it 100% was, and essentially whipping up fear to justify it). My co-worker started claiming that Peterson debated some atheist and destroyed him with simple "you can't disprove God" argument when I'm guessing it just turned into a "well you say its not god but other people do, you can't tell them it isn't without being them!" or "every culture makes up god to believe in" type of shit.

Moonie seems completely blind to their bullshit for some reason. That or he needs to take his own advice and actually see more from them because holy shit if you can't see how f'ed in the head especially Shapiro is, I don't even know what to say. Its like he truly believes that as long as he doesn't get excitable when saying white supremacist shit that somehow validates it. Of course when called on it he tries to backtrack immediately and say that people are mischaracterizing him (while they literally read his exact quotes) because he knows he can't actually defend the horrible stupid shit he says to non-shitty people so he just tries to frame it as them attacking him. He's a fucking clown that deserves the Richard Spencer treatment.
I have no idea what the video was all about. My guess is the doc is about to depress his tongue with a wooden spoon, but the post above surprised me. I expected to experience reading it as an attack and instead felt you were genuinely trying hard and sincerely to understand what I am about. I appreciate your exploration of different possibilities.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
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Since I am apolitical, whatever I hold against Ben Shapiro will not be the usual source of some affiliation to contrary "ideals".

Like all talking heads in the media, Shapiro's power comes from his abilities to spew out a mixture of actual facts and not-exactly-accurate superficial representations while never giving any sort of deeper educational content or substantive discussion of the underpinnings behind what he is saying.

For a tangible example, he did mention that Biden's call for unity are empty words. The line, it itself, I can agree with intellectually. For "unity" does not necessarily require actual, consensual persuasion. Coercion and threat deprivation can also achieve conformity. When something is mutually exclusive, something must give, and if compromise cannot be reached, then escalation is the next step. Being better at PR is not exactly going guarantee unity. In addition, the President is actually very far away from directly influencing people's lives. The local municipality is what deals with local matters of all kinds.
With that said, the usual share of "emotional confirmations" towards his base also come out in drives, "we will continue reporting the facts". Yeah, not exactly the facts. Nor are "conservatives" always right.

This is perfect the general public, for they are both virgin and child regarding the proper nature of the American government and thus are extremely impressionable. The creation of the blind fanatic with mad passion is exactly the road to political power.

Journalism is an ignoble job masquerading as a noble job. The "facts" are reported but the public can NEVER receive an education from consuming the news. The press was the original influencer. The internet merely has expanded who can become an influencer.

Reporters spinning things trigger me regardless of affliation. Just like that Latina ABC News creating some sob story about her son asking if they themselves were going to deported. Because she had no threat of being cross-examined about her own citizenship status(almost guaranteed to be legal given that she has a job there) or the political climate of the state she lives in(likely Democratic "sanctuary" New York"),
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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...or the political climate of the state she lives in(likely Democratic "sanctuary" New York"),

Sorry, but I really get a visualization of you sticking your finger down your throat, gagging yourself with glee, with every quoted word in your apolitical stream of consciousness you posted, culminating in you puking up your rectum upon typing sanctuary.

👍
 

Nereus77

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Agreeing with Shapiro, calling Biden's call for unity "empty," and calling New York a "Dem 'sanctuary'" makes it seem like you are leaning towards the crazies. Someone apolitical may have mentioned that its a bit odd that Trump hasn't acknowledged defeat....

The kicker was "conservatives are not always right" which points to you agreeing with their point of view somewhat 😂
 

alexruiz

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Sep 21, 2001
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Since I am apolitical, whatever I hold against Ben Shapiro will not be the usual source of some affiliation to contrary "ideals".

Like all talking heads in the media, Shapiro's power comes from his abilities to spew out a mixture of actual facts and not-exactly-accurate superficial representations while never giving any sort of deeper educational content or substantive discussion of the underpinnings behind what he is saying.

For a tangible example, he did mention that Biden's call for unity are empty words. The line, it itself, I can agree with intellectually. For "unity" does not necessarily require actual, consensual persuasion. Coercion and threat deprivation can also achieve conformity. When something is mutually exclusive, something must give, and if compromise cannot be reached, then escalation is the next step. Being better at PR is not exactly going guarantee unity. In addition, the President is actually very far away from directly influencing people's lives. The local municipality is what deals with local matters of all kinds.
With that said, the usual share of "emotional confirmations" towards his base also come out in drives, "we will continue reporting the facts". Yeah, not exactly the facts. Nor are "conservatives" always right.

This is perfect the general public, for they are both virgin and child regarding the proper nature of the American government and thus are extremely impressionable. The creation of the blind fanatic with mad passion is exactly the road to political power.

Journalism is an ignoble job masquerading as a noble job. The "facts" are reported but the public can NEVER receive an education from consuming the news. The press was the original influencer. The internet merely has expanded who can become an influencer.

Reporters spinning things trigger me regardless of affliation. Just like that Latina ABC News creating some sob story about her son asking if they themselves were going to deported. Because she had no threat of being cross-examined about her own citizenship status(almost guaranteed to be legal given that she has a job there) or the political climate of the state she lives in(likely Democratic "sanctuary" New York"),

so you also believe in Q?
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Since I am apolitical, whatever I hold against Ben Shapiro will not be the usual source of some affiliation to contrary "ideals".

Like all talking heads in the media, Shapiro's power comes from his abilities to spew out a mixture of actual facts and not-exactly-accurate superficial representations while never giving any sort of deeper educational content or substantive discussion of the underpinnings behind what he is saying.

For a tangible example, he did mention that Biden's call for unity are empty words. The line, it itself, I can agree with intellectually. For "unity" does not necessarily require actual, consensual persuasion. Coercion and threat deprivation can also achieve conformity. When something is mutually exclusive, something must give, and if compromise cannot be reached, then escalation is the next step. Being better at PR is not exactly going guarantee unity. In addition, the President is actually very far away from directly influencing people's lives. The local municipality is what deals with local matters of all kinds.
With that said, the usual share of "emotional confirmations" towards his base also come out in drives, "we will continue reporting the facts". Yeah, not exactly the facts. Nor are "conservatives" always right.

This is perfect the general public, for they are both virgin and child regarding the proper nature of the American government and thus are extremely impressionable. The creation of the blind fanatic with mad passion is exactly the road to political power.

Journalism is an ignoble job masquerading as a noble job. The "facts" are reported but the public can NEVER receive an education from consuming the news. The press was the original influencer. The internet merely has expanded who can become an influencer.

Reporters spinning things trigger me regardless of affliation. Just like that Latina ABC News creating some sob story about her son asking if they themselves were going to deported. Because she had no threat of being cross-examined about her own citizenship status(almost guaranteed to be legal given that she has a job there) or the political climate of the state she lives in(likely Democratic "sanctuary" New York"),
Blow it out your ass Howard
 
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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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-nm-

can never quite bring myself to be mean to moonbeam.
Love you. I appreciate your generosity here but I really do believe there isn't anything mean you can say to me that compares to the meanness with which I treat myself.
 

Nereus77

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Dec 30, 2016
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It'd be a bit surreal to have a Jew leading all these people flying Nazi & Confederate flags.

Its already ironic that the US has a Nazi problem.
 
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