[Benchlife] R9 480 (Polaris 10 >100w), R9

[Excessi0n]

Do we know anything about GP100 at this point? We have information on P100, but that's not worth much considering it had all the ROPs stripped out which means it's not meant for gaming at all.

P100 is the actual Tesla card; GP100 is the die on it.

 

[parkerface]

Even if Polaris 10 performed identically to my current 390 I'd still get one.

To me, the likely price difference between those two after a 390 resale is worth half the power usage (plus any potential performance increase).

 

[swilli89]

So much nope in this thread. Completely possible for the P10 to catch the 980ti, also AMD will most definitely release uncut P10 day 1.

No one knows anything but please don't make such absolute claims, we don't know the level of "compute hardware - lol" in either pascal or Polaris so we need to wait and see about that.

AMD had promised a totally new gcn version, nvidia has made no such statement about pascal and it seems common sentiment is that its mainly a die shrunk maxwell; an architecture that is quickly becoming outdated in modern games.

 

[Erithan13]

Ugh, so frustrating with the drip-feed of information and leaks coming through. A while back we didn't know enough to meaningfully speculate, now it's only a matter of a month or less (I'd hope!) before we know for sure where Polaris and Pascal will stand.

I don't want to get too caught up on the hype train for either. I'm torn between thinking Polaris 10 is going to be 'only' as good as a 390, and wondering if between the node shrink and the architecture improvements it might readily exceed that. Also dead keen to find out how good it is at eth mining, greatly improved performance per watt and greatly reduced power requirements will make for an interesting situation. Hoping those new GCN cores will work their magic.

 

[Silverforce11]

@Erithan13

It's impossible for Polaris 10 be only at 390 level, unless AMD pulled a Faildozer. haha

Personally, I don't think Polaris will be bad, otherwise they wouldn't have secured all 3 next-gen consoles and the Apple refresh before it's even released.

 

[Silverforce11]

http://www.game-debate.com/news/?ne...ly Offers Near 980 Ti Performance For 300 USD

AMD reportedly hosted an event designed to showcase its upcoming Polaris GPUs and the Radeon Pro Duo to journalists behind closed doors in Taiwan recently, ahead of an expected official unveiling in May. The big noise coming out of the event is that the switch to the 14nm FinFET fabrication process means the Polaris 10 GPU performs extremely close to the GeForce GTX 980 Ti, but for a drastically cheaper price point.

As we’ve detailed before, the process shrink means improvements to efficiency and transistor density, resulting in a bump in performance. That bump looks to be a hefty one as well, if the Polaris 10 is to match the GTX 980 Ti.

The Polaris 10 GPU is the successor to the 300-series, which AMD views as its mainstream range. This means Polaris 10 is not the next Fury and Fury X, but rather a 300 series successor, which is up to and including the R9 390X. That equates to the eventual Polaris 10 powered Radeon R9 490X being capable of GTX 980 Ti performance for a price tag in the region of $300-400.

The Polaris 10 GPU itself has a maximum TDP of 175W, but AMD claims it will generally consume far less than that. Early benchmarks have the Polaris 10 scoring in the region of 4000 points in 3DMark Fire Strike Ultra, which puts it firmly in the ballpark of the Fury X and the 980 Ti. If AMD can hit the rumoured $300 price point with such a graphics card then it could have an absolute monster on its hands.

^ The above smells like an AIB partner brief.

Looks like Polaris 10 = Fury X if it comes close to the 980Ti.

$299/300 is a great price, it will sell out, with NV taking the top segment with 1070, 1080 and 1080Ti GP104.

 

[parkerface]

As long as no one gets cute and pushes its price to $349, I'm still in.

The 390 was nice this winter, but no freaking way I'm dealing with that extra heat through the summertime.

 

[Mopetar]

P100 is the actual Tesla card; GP100 is the die on it.

For some reason I was under the impression that the Tesla wasn't GP100, just because it's solely aimed at HPC. The block diagram that AT and other sites showed for it has all the raster engines (ROPs) removed and if that's the case it's worthless as a gaming card. It's easily possible it was accidentally omitted, but it makes sense to ditch them if they're trying to make the beefiest HPC card imaginable.

 

[jpiniero]

^ The above smells like an AIB partner brief.

That seems way too amateurish for an AIB partner brief.

Looks like Polaris 10 = Fury X if it comes close to the 980Ti.

$299/300 is a great price, it will sell out, with NV taking the top segment with 1070, 1080 and 1080Ti GP104.

If it's close to Fury X, it won't be $299. It'll be close to whatever the 1070 ends up being.

 

[DooKey]

http://www.game-debate.com/news/?ne...ly Offers Near 980 Ti Performance For 300 USD

^ The above smells like an AIB partner brief.

Looks like Polaris 10 = Fury X if it comes close to the 980Ti.

$299/300 is a great price, it will sell out, with NV taking the top segment with 1070, 1080 and 1080Ti GP104.

Unless NV releases first and pulls another 970 out of their hat.

 

[Silverforce11]

If it's close to Fury X, it won't be $299. It'll be close to whatever the 1070 ends up being.

Why?

Tiny chip, cheap GDDR5, low TDP, small bus, overall cheap PCB and cooling requirements.

Promises made in public about offering great perf per dollar to the mainstream segment, at below the 970/290 minimum VR price.

Raja said folks will be very pleasantly surprised by the price!

 

[Silverforce11]

Unless NV releases first and pulls another 970 out of their hat.

If NV wants to do that, then it's good for gamers. Price war away I say!

 

[swilli89]

Why?

Tiny chip, cheap GDDR5, low TDP, small bus, overall cheap PCB and cooling requirements.

Promises made in public about offering great perf per dollar to the mainstream segment, at below the 970/290 minimum VR price.

Raja said folks will be very pleasantly surprised by the price!

^And add to this on a refinement of a year+ old 14nm LPE process. Yields will not be a problem in terms of cost as well as salvaging; ie there will be full Polaris chips in 480X form.

 

[swilli89]

Ugh, so frustrating with the drip-feed of information and leaks coming through. A while back we didn't know enough to meaningfully speculate, now it's only a matter of a month or less (I'd hope!) before we know for sure where Polaris and Pascal will stand.

I don't want to get too caught up on the hype train for either. I'm torn between thinking Polaris 10 is going to be 'only' as good as a 390, and wondering if between the node shrink and the architecture improvements it might readily exceed that. Also dead keen to find out how good it is at eth mining, greatly improved performance per watt and greatly reduced power requirements will make for an interesting situation. Hoping those new GCN cores will work their magic.

It will absolutely be faster than a 390. Remember, 390 is not using memory compression at all, this memory will be clocked much higher, and overall GCN 4.0 improvements along with a much high core clockspeed/intelligent boost.

 

[Silverforce11]

If AMD wants to claw back marketshare, they absolutely have to launch an amazing GPU at a very affordable price.

The pressure is on them to deliver this. If they launch a mainstream (!!!) GPU at $399 or so, it would be well beyond the "mainstream" segment of affordability.

 

[maddie]

A bit curious.

If Polaris 10 is as good as some think (FuryX - 980Ti), what would happen to the used card market. Why would someone buy a 390 or Fury X if they can get an equivalent Polaris 10 version for low $200's or Fury X performance for $300?

I would imagine a huge drop in used card prices.

I see people saying they will sell their card and get Polaris.

 

[Silverforce11]

A bit curious.

If Polaris 10 is as good as some think (FuryX - 980Ti), what would happen to the used card market. Why would someone buy a 390 or Fury X if they can get an equivalent Polaris 10 version for low $200's or Fury X performance for $300?

I would imagine a huge drop in used card prices.

I see people saying they will sell their card and get Polaris.

The only reason to buy a used AMD GPU would be for mining. Cut Polaris 10 will wreck the entire lineup of used GPUs at a very affordable price.

Even then, the potential perf/w for mining will make it a very desirable GPU.

 

[maddie]

Why?

Tiny chip, cheap GDDR5, low TDP, small bus, overall cheap PCB and cooling requirements.

Promises made in public about offering great perf per dollar to the mainstream segment, at below the 970/290 minimum VR price.

Raja said folks will be very pleasantly surprised by the price!

Totally agree.

So many making their own rules and guidelines for pricing when we have the division head making those comments above and being repeatedly ignored.

Amazing.

 

[Adored]

Well AMD doesn't want people buying 2nd hand cards, they'd much prefer the old tech to be thrown away.

I think Nvidia tends to lose out a lot more in the 2nd hand market right now, with used Maxwell buyers oblivious to the new series coming in. AMD lost a lot of business due to mining cards being dumped on the cheap as well.

 

[3DVagabond]

A bit curious.

If Polaris 10 is as good as some think (FuryX - 980Ti), what would happen to the used card market. Why would someone buy a 390 or Fury X if they can get an equivalent Polaris 10 version for low $200's or Fury X performance for $300?

I would imagine a huge drop in used card prices.

I see people saying they will sell their card and get Polaris.

Well, it's not like they would be any better off if it was expensive. If it's $300 and you can only get $150 for your used card it's better than if it's $400 and you can only get $200 for your used card.

 

[Game_dev]

Even if Polaris 10 performed identically to my current 390 I'd still get one.

To me, the likely price difference between those two after a 390 resale is worth half the power usage (plus any potential performance increase).

Or you could have gotten a 970 and not had to worry about power draw.

 

[3DVagabond]

or you could have gotten a 970 and not had to worry about power draw.

390>970.

 

[Silverforce11]

Or you could have gotten a 970 and not had to worry about power draw.

Yeah but you would be worried about that gimped 3.5GB and poor DX12 performance for the next few years... -_-

Buying a new GPU now with that kind of next-gen on the immediate horizon is a very bad idea.

 

[jpiniero]

Why?

Expensive node, crap yields (being at GloFo), nVidia's pricing.

Promises made in public about offering great perf per dollar to the mainstream segment, at below the 970/290 minimum VR price.

Raja said folks will be very pleasantly surprised by the price!

AMD will change their tune when they see what nVidia is charging. If the 1070 is slightly slower than 980 Ti performance for $499, there's not much reason to be much cheaper than that if it's close in performance.

 

[Game_dev]

390>970.

Depends on the game. Especially with AMD's overhead problems with directx 11. But when it comes to power draw, the 970 is far superior.