[benchmarks] Need for Speed 2016

[railven]

Well I don't know what happened in this thread, but after the semi-excellent reboot of Hot Pursuit, I'm glad to see it doesn't have a 30 FPS limit.

WTB 980 Ti results since I'm semi-interested in this game.

 

[monstercameron]

Looks good.

 

[BlitzWulf]

Even at 1080 the 390 and the 980 were the only cards to not drop below 60fps. Assuming perfect scaling the 970 would need an additional 7% OC to 1426 core just hit that bar at 1080p.It makes me glad I waited a little longer and ended up going with Hawaii.

 

[Hitman928]

Well I don't know what happened in this thread, but after the semi-excellent reboot of Hot Pursuit, I'm glad to see it doesn't have a 30 FPS limit.

WTB 980 Ti results since I'm semi-interested in this game.

I'll happily have some 980ti numbers for sale. It'll only cost $650 up front and I'll provide all the benchmark runs you want.

 

[Innokentij]

And your point is? Faster is faster.

Point being it's slower at resolution u actualy can play the game at 1080p an 1440p so who cares?

 

[tential]

And all unplayable. What a super win there. Cinematic effect?

It's actually an extremely important result to me. At 30 FPS it means it is playable at a console level. That's playable to my friends who are used to 30 FPS. I mean, I watched them play FAllout 4 on Xbox One, that is NOT 30 fps it dips below 30 FPS so regularly it's digusting.

But even more importantly, it means that SLI GTX 980s would be wrecked in this game if CF/SLI support is in it compared to CF R9 390s.
That's terrible since I had especially considered Maxwell due to my PSU. However, when those cards fall apart at 4K, that's a pretty meh sign when that's the biggest reason I'd get SLI/CF.

So maybe you don't care about resolutions where the GTX 980 gets spanked, but others may so don't pretend like it doesn't exist.

 

[tential]

98%+ on steam got 1080p or below. Think on that for a while.

I myself got a 1440p and I belong to a tiny niche. 4K is an ultra niche.

And if you think 4K is the future, why worry about cards that get obsolete soon?

Does DSR not work on Nvidia cards? Or do Nvidia users not user DSR?

I see the spin now is to dismiss higher resolutions. So the 980 was only a 1080p card all this time? So sad for the most advanced gpu uarch to be this mediocre at scaling in higher resolutions.

Longeveity and Maxwell are the new euphemism for "water and oil".

Yup. Before the GTX 970/980 when they launched were 1440p capable cards.
Reccently, anything above 1080p is insane to talk about on the GTX 970.
Now, the GTX 980 is the best 1080p card out....

I mean, by default you're essentially saying AMD cards are better because they can handle higher resolutions. It makes Nvidia's Maxwell cards seem worse than they are....

 

[tential]

meant to merge.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Does DSR not work on Nvidia cards? Or do Nvidia users not user DSR?

How many people do you know that uses DSR or VSR? I know 0.

 

[thesmokingman]

Point being it's slower at resolution u actualy can play the game at 1080p an 1440p so who cares?

It's convenient huh? Only accept benches when you like the numbers and disregard the ones you don't. Very convenient indeed. :'(

 

[raghu78]

It's actually an extremely important result to me. At 30 FPS it means it is playable at a console level. That's playable to my friends who are used to 30 FPS. I mean, I watched them play FAllout 4 on Xbox One, that is NOT 30 fps it dips below 30 FPS so regularly it's digusting.

But even more importantly, it means that SLI GTX 980s would be wrecked in this game if CF/SLI support is in it compared to CF R9 390s.
That's terrible since I had especially considered Maxwell due to my PSU. However, when those cards fall apart at 4K, that's a pretty meh sign when that's the biggest reason I'd get SLI/CF.

So maybe you don't care about resolutions where the GTX 980 gets spanked, but others may so don't pretend like it doesn't exist.

btw the R9 390 is still at 1010 Mhz. I would say it has 100-150 Mhz more OC headroom which would put it comfortably avg fps above 30 with mins above 25 fps. The best part is the min fps at 4k on R9 390 is on par with avg fps on 980 Strix. That 8 GB VRAM sure seems to be proving its value in the more recent titles. The R9 390 is one hell of a card. I doubt we will get 8 GB on next gen Polaris or Pascal except at the very high end and those are going to cost well above USD 500.

 

[raghu78]

How many people do you know that uses DSR or VSR? I know 0.

Just because you know no one thats uses DSR/VSR that does not mean DSR / VSR is not being used. This kind of reasoning is called argumentative.

 

[thesmokingman]

Last year it was everyone and their momz using DSR. Now it's nobody uses DSR.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Just because you know no one thats uses DSR/VSR that does not mean DSR / VSR is not being used. This kind of reasoning is called argumentative.

So make a poll. Its something people have to select on their own. Meaning it will be a small amount by any means.

 

[tential]

How many people do you know that uses DSR or VSR? I know 0.

That's an incredibly bad question to ask me.
Have you seen my post history? I was the most excited person here when DSR was released, and I didn't even have an Nvidia card...
And if you know me, you know about ALL of the features of your card, so obviously my friends and people I know are aware of and use the features of their card (I told my brother all about Geforce Experience and he started streaming using Shadowplay before moving to actual better streaming utilities).

It's actually more troubling to me that you don't know ANYONE who uses those features. I'd feel like given the fact you believe everyone is on 1080p/60hz, you'd have at least told one friend a way to get better performance out of their GTX Maxwell card or AMD card

The sentiment I get from Nvidia users is they don't care about DSR, while AMD users do care about VSR. And that's INSANE to me since Nvidia was first to market and created quite the splash on DSR. Especially when DSR is even more flexible than VSR.

But hey, essentially you're saying GTX 980 users mostly game at 1080p/60hz and are getting terrible value from their cards.

 

[Osjur]

More cards tested: 1440p

Someone else can post 1080p results, it has been irrelevant resolution for me since 2007 when I got my first 1600p monitor.

 

[tential]

So make a poll. Its something people have to select on their own. Meaning it will be a small amount by any means.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2466549


Ok.

 

[railven]

I'll happily have some 980ti numbers for sale. It'll only cost $650 up front and I'll provide all the benchmark runs you want.

Dang, wish I had seen this sooner. I just paid someone $1200 and they'll have 980 Ti vs Fury X numbers in a week or two.

 

[Silverforce11]

Updated charts.

1080p

1440p

1440p 21:9

Fiji once again looks very unoptimized out of the box here, similar to all the 2016 AAA titles we've seen. Hawaii and other GCN SKUs are performing superbly.

I suspect HBM requires separate optimizations from AMD for it to perform, because they have had to release Fiji specific "Game Ready" drivers for every single major title so far in 2016.

Kepler taking a dirt nap as usual in these modern games.

ps. pcgameshardware.de has some ridiculous factory OC models vs basically stock cards as usual though. Look at that 960 vs 380. lol

 

[moonbogg]

Kepler taking a dirt nap as usual in these modern games.

LOL ain't that the truth. Look at that poor 780ti flagship. Can't even follow in the shadows of the 970 with any dignity at all. Pathetic. The entire rest of the Kepler line up is so terrible they aren't even worth listing lol. Those are basically R9 290 vs 780ti results in those charts. If anyone would have known back then what we know now, no one would have touched Kepler. They would have rotted on the store shelves.

 

[crisium]

I suspect HBM requires separate optimizations from AMD for it to perform, because they have had to release Fiji specific "Game Ready" drivers for every single major title so far in 2016.

This is likely, especially since AMD said they hired 2 engineers specifically to manage Fiji memory. Ironically this may make it driver dependent to maximize the memory, like the 970. This was revealed before the card launched, however.

 

[Silverforce11]

This is likely, especially since AMD said they hired 2 engineers specifically to manage Fiji memory. Ironically this may make it driver dependent to maximize the memory, like the 970. This was revealed before the card launched, however.

We see this again in Hitman, so every single AAA title in 2016 has required specific optimizations for Fiji to perform well.

It is probably a "feature" of HBM, and so Polaris or Pascal HBM2 SKU will likely need this optimization too.

If you think about it, the MC in GDDR3/5 is on the chip and linked directly to other subunits. But on HBM, they are the multiple stack bottom slice, off-chip. The timing must all be messed up when operating under GDDR5 optimized settings.

This has some important implications for AMD actually, they can't count on games optimized for consoles to run well on their PC GPUs out of the box for HBM GPUs, this means they have to work harder with their own "Game Ready" drivers moving forward.

 

[Kenmitch]

This has some important implications for AMD actually, they can't count on games optimized for consoles to run well on their PC GPUs out of the box for HBM GPUs, this means they have to work harder with their own "Game Ready" drivers moving forward.

We all know that AMD's hardware is way ahead of the drivers. Probably just one of those learing curve things. Once the initial kinks are worked out there probably won't be a whole lot of tweaking required.

 

[Glo.]

Fiji once again looks very unoptimized out of the box here, similar to all the 2016 AAA titles we've seen. Hawaii and other GCN SKUs are performing superbly.

I suspect HBM requires separate optimizations from AMD for it to perform, because they have had to release Fiji specific "Game Ready" drivers for every single major title so far in 2016.

Kepler taking a dirt nap as usual in these modern games.

ps. pcgameshardware.de has some ridiculous factory OC models vs basically stock cards as usual though. Look at that 960 vs 380. lol

The more I look into this, the more I think Fiji is architecturally flawed.

 

[Silverforce11]

The more I look into this, the more I think Fiji is architecturally flawed.

It definitely is, Hawaii front-end with 45% more shaders without major optimization will not perform much faster than Hawaii. Add to that a major new memory subsystem and definitely it is very driver-reliant.

Now, will it be similar for HBM2 Polaris? I think so, maybe not for the front-end : shader ratio, but the memory sub-system will need to be optimized by developers for DX12 as it differs to PS4/Xbone and GDDR5 based PC GPUs.