Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Since it's obviously oblivious to you, the world has become more socially liberal as time has marched on. The Catholic Church prefers to be Left Behind.
Yeah thats why the left keeps winning elections.. oh wait.. I might agree with you that the world has been moving left, however, I think recently, especially in the United States, its moving back to the right.. Many think we went too far left.
Again, the job of the church is not to validate your liberal views..
The job of the church? What job is that? To continue the lie of a divine Christ? To continue the lie of an "infallable" Pope? To perpetuate ignorance of birth control? To foster the sexual molestation of young boys?
At this point you lose me. Lie of a divine Christ? All of Christianity is based on this. I know a whole lot of Christians I trust and respect more than just about anyone here, including you.
You may agree with it or not, but you have no evidence for your claim.
There are reams of evidence. The concept of a Divine Christ wasn't really decided until the Council of Nicea. Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus claim to be divine. There's also evidence to suggest he survived the crucifixion and lived a good long while afterward and eventually traveled to the Kashmir region. Check out "Meher Baba".
Also, in the New Testament, when it mentions "for those who have ears to hear" that refers to hidden meanings being contained in what Jesus was saying. The writings were written such they would not be found by the Romans to lead to a group of Jesus's followers and, therefore, subject them to persecution.
I really recommend a couple of books:
The Illustrated Bloodline of the Holy Grail: The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed - Laurence Gardner, Foreword by Prince Michael of Albany
From Jesus to Christianity: How Four Generations of Visionaries and Storytellers Created the New Testament and Christian Faith - L. Michael White (whose work was the subject of the PBS documentary,
From Jesus to Christ
I have come to the conclusion that many of the people here hate Bush and others not because of what they do, but because they hate Christians of all stripe.
I see the same hate as they say they see in those who were frothing at the mouth to bomb Iraq.
Neither side seems better than the other, at least not here. The primary reason for posting here is (and pretty much always was) is to demonstrate you can out hate the other side.
Occasionally there is an informative post or a thoughtful comment (enough to make me come back here now and again), but the rest of you live in a moral and intellectual cesspit. No wonder people in the other forums make fun of posters here.
Bah, humanity sucks in general and this thread just proves the rule.
I despise the Propagandist for what he represents and for what he does and doesn't do. His faith is only a part of that. Were he to engage in actual debate in the White House and consider all options, were he to hold his staff, Cabinet, and himself accountable for their actions, then there would be much less disapproval of him. But, he reaps what he sows and right now he's sowing a boatload of bullsh*t.
Not all Christians are bad. It's people like the Propagandist and others like Ashcroft, DeLay, DeMint, Coburn, Frist, etc. that give Christianity a bad name. Or, do you honestly think they are following the teachings of Jesus? If you do, damn, Winston, you need to do some serious research into what Jesus taught.