Benedict XVI - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany becomes the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

 

[Darkhawk28]

We've been told that non-supporters have no business in this thread, so any non-Catholic supporters need to STFU.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

To change it for the better?

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Not to be mean but why would they choose such an old pope? They couldn't find anyone that was younger like in their 60's?

The Church doesn't like Popes to reign for long periods of time. Also, a common compromise method when two factions of the Council of Cardinals can't agree on a Pope is to pick an elderly Pope who won't be around long.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

Yes, I looked up at my mom when she gave birth to me and said... "Please Mommy, have me baptized in the Catholic Church?"

I guess 99.9999999999% of Catholics aren't really Catholics either because not everyone agrees with EVERYTHING the Catholic Church says.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

To change it for the better?

Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

 

[mordantmonkey]

those saying he was a nazi boy are just retarded, RTA. yes being in the hitler youth was mandatory when hitler gained power.
besides those kind of remarks obscure real criticisms of this choice.

this choice reminds me why i am no longer catholic. of course, not being catholic i guess don't really care anymore. on the plus side he is old so he probably won't be able to change the church too drastically before he dies. unfortunately, many intelligent clergy and worthwhile debate will be silenced during his reign.

 

[Ferocious]

Very conservative.

Does anyone feel sorry for the children to be molested in the future?

Seems inevitable to me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!

Are you Catholic? No? Then why do you care? Same goes for everyone who denounces the Church. I have my own theories for why you care, but I'd like to hear it from you first.

I believe he is...

Used to be. But I'm not biting on Cyclo's nor Crimson's troll-bait. I made a comment about a worldwide institution and I certainly have a right to. Much the same way I can comment on Italian elections, Venezuelan elections, US elections. etc.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

Maybe he agrees with most everything except for those few issues? I'd think it would be hard to find a Church where you agreed with everything they said.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

Perhaps because the Catholic Church has decided to pursue centuries of lies and propaganda and, with this newly elected Pope, just slapped the Jewish community in the face.

Then again, I'm not surprised you applaud this move.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

To change it for the better?

Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

Red Dawn doesn't care one way or the other about the Catholic Church or any Chgurch, religion or myth, I was just pondering an answer to your question directed at Darkhawk.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
We've been told that non-supporters have no business in this thread, so any non-Catholic supporters need to STFU.

No, I simply asked why they care. As yet, no one has done so.

Originally posted by: cquark
The Church doesn't like Popes to reign for long periods of time. Also, a common compromise method when two factions of the Council of Cardinals can't agree on a Pope is to pick an elderly Pope who won't be around long.

I agree, but I don't see this as a compromise choice, simply based on the number of votes taken. It seems to me that the cardinals knew whoever came after PJP2 was going to have a very tough time stepping out from under his shadow. The picked Ratzinger because he probably won't be around terribly long, plus he was very good friends and similar in every way to the previous pope, meaning he'll be well accepted and fill the void between PJP 2 and the subsequent pope very nicely.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

Yes, I looked up at my mom when she gave birth to me and said... "Please Mommy, have me baptized in the Catholic Church?"

I guess 99.9999999999% of Catholics aren't really Catholics either because not everyone agrees with EVERYTHING the Catholic Church says.

Obviously you can't control being Baptized.. but, like you said, you are a non-practicing Catholic.. which to me, tells me you are NOT Catholic.. Being Catholic is not being baptized, its living your life according to the beliefs of the Church, if you aren't doing that, then you aren't Catholic.. If you THINK you still are, then you have some issues you need to work out.

If people don't agree with the church they belong to, why do they claim to be members of it? I don't agree with Greenpeace, if I was a big pro-hunting person and was a member of Greenpeace, would it make sense to say i am a member because I want to change it for the better? Or would it make more sense for me to say, hey, I don't agree with Greenpeace, I am going to choose not to be a member anymore..

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

Maybe he agrees with most everything except for those few issues? I'd think it would be hard to find a Church where you agreed with everything they said.

Well thats part of the problem with today's society, you think the Church should change to fit YOUR beliefs.. You want the church to validate your lifestyle.. Thats not going to happen. Church teachings do not change based on what the baby boomers believe at any given time..

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

of course the church will not change it's core beliefs. Even the pope cannot change things like salvation of christ, holy trinity, that's obvious.
however, the pope does dictate many other aspects of interpretation and dogma. The pope, with ratzlinger's influence, has been responsible for the silencing of clergy when he did not like their interpretations.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

Perhaps because the Catholic Church has decided to pursue centuries of lies and propaganda and, with this newly elected Pope, just slapped the Jewish community in the face.

Then again, I'm not surprised you applaud this move.

Yes, because this Pope was the one running the gas chambers in Germany.. Give me a break Conjur..

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Very conservative.

Does anyone feel sorry for the children to be molested in the future?

Seems inevitable to me.

First, 'children' in general weren't molested - boys were molested. The problem was not pedophilia but homosexuality. Homosexuality in the seminaries was rampant in the 60s and 70s. PJP2 disallowed homosexuals from entering the seminary.

Originally posted by: conjur
Used to be. But I'm not biting on Cyclo's nor Crimson's troll-bait. I made a comment about a worldwide institution and I certainly have a right to. Much the same way I can comment on Italian elections, Venezuelan elections, US elections. etc.

That's what I thought. You can't answer a simple question as to why you care. Instead, you spew your meaningless hateful drivel then run away with your tail between your legs. I'm surprised such a consummate troll is still capable of avoiding troll bait.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

To change it for the better?

Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

Red Dawn doesn't care one way or the other about the Catholic Church or any Chgurch, religion or myth, I was just pondering an answer to your question directed at Darkhawk.

Well, your question was stupid.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

Perhaps because the Catholic Church has decided to pursue centuries of lies and propaganda and, with this newly elected Pope, just slapped the Jewish community in the face.

Then again, I'm not surprised you applaud this move.

Yes, because this Pope was the one running the gas chambers in Germany.. Give me a break Conjur..

Yeah...that's what I said. You got me.


:roll:



BTW, here's your

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: Crimson
Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

of course the church will not change it's core beliefs. Even the pope cannot change things like salvation of christ, holy trinity, that's obvious.
however, the pope does dictate many other aspects of interpretation and dogma. The pope, with ratzlinger's influence, has been responsible for the silencing of clergy when he did not like their interpretations.

Ok, so if the people who opposed Ratzlinger's interpretations were successful, would you criticize them for silencing Ratzlinger? Or, does it only matter to you when the interpretation you don't LIKE is chosen?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur
Nice to see the church move into the 21st century with an aging relic of the anti-Semitic past.


WTG, Vatican!!



:roll:

Didn't take long for your bigoted anti-christian self to come out..

Oh, look. Another bitter apologist.


All that's left is bozack and we've got the hat trick!

Don't catholics have a right to choose their leaders? Are you going to answer the question or just spew your bigotry? Why does it matter to you as a Non-Catholic? Or a NON PRACTICING Catholic?

Well, I've been baptized, communionzed and the whole bit. Although I don't go to church anymore, I'm more Catholic than probably you are. (Don't know if you're Catholic or not as of yet)

Yeah, lets argue who is more Catholic.. :roll: ok, I will ONE UP you then, I was also MARRIED in the Catholic church, which puts me +1 on the Sacraments list I guess.. since YOU seem to be keeping score..

If you don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic church you are NOT Catholic. If you believe in gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. WHY are you Catholic? Why would you join a church which you disagree with?

Yes, I looked up at my mom when she gave birth to me and said... "Please Mommy, have me baptized in the Catholic Church?"

I guess 99.9999999999% of Catholics aren't really Catholics either because not everyone agrees with EVERYTHING the Catholic Church says.

Obviously you can't control being Baptized.. but, like you said, you are a non-practicing Catholic.. which to me, tells me you are NOT Catholic.. Being Catholic is not being baptized, its living your life according to the beliefs of the Church, if you aren't doing that, then you aren't Catholic.. If you THINK you still are, then you have some issues you need to work out.

If people don't agree with the church they belong to, why do they claim to be members of it? I don't agree with Greenpeace, if I was a big pro-hunting person and was a member of Greenpeace, would it make sense to say i am a member because I want to change it for the better? Or would it make more sense for me to say, hey, I don't agree with Greenpeace, I am going to choose not to be a member anymore..

So all the NRA members that don't think terrorists should be able to buy assault rifles at gun shows (which the NRA indirectly supports), should quit the NRA? They still believe in the 2nd and 10th amendments, right? They just don't agree on that particular issue.

I don't agree with everything the Church says, but some things I do. The Church has always been changing. Always. To deny that is being silly. There are some things I'd like to change, but I'm not in any position to effect any change. If I went to church tomorrow, I'll be just the same Catholic as anyone else. I lead a very moral life, VERY moral. I don't smoke or drink. I don't commit adultery. I have and love two beautiful little girls. To not agree with the Church on every issue, doesn't make me an immoral person.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson
Then form your own church.. The Catholic Church has chosen its core beliefs, if you don't agree with them look elsewhere. Why must the church change its beliefs because Red Dawn doesn't agree with them?

Perhaps because the Catholic Church has decided to pursue centuries of lies and propaganda and, with this newly elected Pope, just slapped the Jewish community in the face.

Then again, I'm not surprised you applaud this move.

Yes, because this Pope was the one running the gas chambers in Germany.. Give me a break Conjur..

Yeah...that's what I said. You got me.


:roll:



BTW, here's your

What was your point then? Whats evidence do you have that this Pope has not lived a moral life?

 

[Zedtom]

Let's hope that these forums don't reach a point that you have to be pre-qualified to comment.

I am not Catholic, but if I was I would be doing some soul-searching in coming to grips with the direction of my church. The steadfast refusal of the church to alter the rules to coexist with the modern world is disheartening. The membership is growing worldwide, but the shortage of priests is an indicator that something is terribly wrong on the inside.

 

[conjur]

Member of Hitler Youth and an anti-aircraft gunner for the German army. Hmm...quite the sales pitch to the youth of the world to come join and follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, eh? Eric Rudolph couldn't be happier.