Benedict XVI - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany becomes the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jjsole
The catholics have been steadily losing youth and new converts to the evangelical movement everywhere because of their perceived strict religiousness and but lack of perceived spirituality. Youth want personal experience, and not church dogma.

Both essentially have the same strict rules that one is expected to conform to over the long haul, but evangelical churches make it much easier to get in to the door, experience and buy into first, before you're expected to get in line with your thoughts and behavior.

An orthodox pope with even more emphasis on the 'rules' is the last thing the church needs to become attractive to today's youth and to help build the church for future generations.

It isn't the job of the Church to appeal to people. Religion is not some popularity contest.

Tell, what's the point of disallowing women as Priests and not allowing married men to be Priests?

 

[arsbanned]

I don't give a damn about this or any other pope. He's simply another in a long line of pedophile defending, anti-choice, reactionary bigots. I am surprised they picked such an old SOB. He'll be keeling over in no time.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jjsole
The catholics have been steadily losing youth and new converts to the evangelical movement everywhere because of their perceived strict religiousness and but lack of perceived spirituality. Youth want personal experience, and not church dogma.

Both essentially have the same strict rules that one is expected to conform to over the long haul, but evangelical churches make it much easier to get in to the door, experience and buy into first, before you're expected to get in line with your thoughts and behavior.

An orthodox pope with even more emphasis on the 'rules' is the last thing the church needs to become attractive to today's youth and to help build the church for future generations.

It isn't the job of the Church to appeal to people. Religion is not some popularity contest.

Tell, what's the point of disallowing women as Priests and not allowing married men to be Priests?

Control and Jealousy.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell, what's the point of disallowing women as Priests and not allowing married men to be Priests?

Do you know any priests? If so, you'd know that they typically work 18-20 hours per day, 7 days a week. They don't have time for a family. Don't have time to go into women priests - class!

 

[preCRT]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jjsole
The catholics have been steadily losing youth and new converts to the evangelical movement everywhere because of their perceived strict religiousness and but lack of perceived spirituality. Youth want personal experience, and not church dogma.

Both essentially have the same strict rules that one is expected to conform to over the long haul, but evangelical churches make it much easier to get in to the door, experience and buy into first, before you're expected to get in line with your thoughts and behavior.

An orthodox pope with even more emphasis on the 'rules' is the last thing the church needs to become attractive to today's youth and to help build the church for future generations.

It isn't the job of the Church to appeal to people. Religion is not some popularity contest.

Tell, what's the point of disallowing women as Priests and not allowing married men to be Priests?

If you allow female or married priests, what might become of the tacit approval, practice & protection of pedophiliac priests?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Tell, what's the point of disallowing women as Priests and not allowing married men to be Priests?

Do you know any priests? If so, you'd know that they typically work 18-20 hours per day, 7 days a week. They don't have time for a family. Don't have time to go into women priests - class!

So Priest work more than Protestant Ministers? I find that hard to believe. In fact Prot Ministers Wives often help them with their work. If Priests were allowed to marry you would get two for the price of one as far as work goes.

 

[Mathlete]

Why do we have to have to have this discussion over and over and over and over and over. I hear many people on the left, including most of my friends, ask the same question, "Why can't women be priests?". This has got to be the dumbest question that I have ever been asked. It is like me saying "It's not fair that I can't get pregnant. The women can get pregnant but not the men."

I would like to meet a Catholic women that wants to be a priest and ask her why she wants to be a priest. Unfortunately, I will never find one. If you took the time to ask a couple of fvcking questions to anyone that knows anything you would realize that Catholic women can serve the church the same as men. There are many different religous orders of Catholics that they can join and serve the Church. Actually, most of the nuns that I know would rather be a nun than a priest because they don't have to mess around with all the administrative BS. They are allowed more time to serve the people.

TRY AGAIN

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jjsole
The catholics have been steadily losing youth and new converts to the evangelical movement everywhere because of their perceived strict religiousness and but lack of perceived spirituality. Youth want personal experience, and not church dogma.

Both essentially have the same strict rules that one is expected to conform to over the long haul, but evangelical churches make it much easier to get in to the door, experience and buy into first, before you're expected to get in line with your thoughts and behavior.

An orthodox pope with even more emphasis on the 'rules' is the last thing the church needs to become attractive to today's youth and to help build the church for future generations.

It isn't the job of the Church to appeal to people. Religion is not some popularity contest.

It certainly is their job. If they believe that their faith is a good thing and their church is a good place to express and grow in that faith, its their job to communicate that to bring interest if not enthusiasm to those who they feel could benefit from this 'good thing' (ie to everyone in this case.)

Noone is saying 'believing' is all about marketing, but if a church can't make it appealing for a newcomer to walk in the door, they won't survive. The days of the catholic church creating converts by force, by being the only option, or by public pressure are long gone (as well as being a catholic because your parents were one), and if they don't know how to relate to the youth and to potential new converts, they will be long gone as well.

There are plenty of other denomonations (and/or faiths) that can do this very well, which is one of the top reasons why the catholic church has been in decline.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mathlete
Why do we have to have to have this discussion over and over and over and over and over. I hear many people on the left, including most of my friends, ask the same question, "Why can't women be priests?". This has got to be the dumbest question that I have ever been asked. It is like me saying "It's not fair that I can't get pregnant. The women can get pregnant but not the men."

I would like to meet a Catholic women that wants to be a priest and ask her why she wants to be a priest. Unfortunately, I will never find one. If you took the time to ask a couple of fvcking questions to anyone that knows anything you would realize that Catholic women can serve the church the same as men. There are many different religous orders of Catholics that they can join and serve the Church. Actually, most of the nuns that I know would rather be a nun than a priest because they don't have to mess around with all the administrative BS. They are allowed more time to serve the people.

TRY AGAIN

No the question wasn't dumb but your explanation and answer sure was lacking.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Mathlete
Why do we have to have to have this discussion over and over and over and over and over. I hear many people on the left, including most of my friends, ask the same question, "Why can't women be priests?". This has got to be the dumbest question that I have ever been asked. It is like me saying "It's not fair that I can't get pregnant. The women can get pregnant but not the men."

I would like to meet a Catholic women that wants to be a priest and ask her why she wants to be a priest. Unfortunately, I will never find one. If you took the time to ask a couple of fvcking questions to anyone that knows anything you would realize that Catholic women can serve the church the same as men. There are many different religous orders of Catholics that they can join and serve the Church. Actually, most of the nuns that I know would rather be a nun than a priest because they don't have to mess around with all the administrative BS. They are allowed more time to serve the people.

TRY AGAIN

You won't find a good catholic woman that want to be a priest because a good catholic woman wouldn't dare question the church's doctrine that says who can lead catholics at that level and who can't.

 

[Mathlete]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mathlete
Why do we have to have to have this discussion over and over and over and over and over. I hear many people on the left, including most of my friends, ask the same question, "Why can't women be priests?". This has got to be the dumbest question that I have ever been asked. It is like me saying "It's not fair that I can't get pregnant. The women can get pregnant but not the men."

I would like to meet a Catholic women that wants to be a priest and ask her why she wants to be a priest. Unfortunately, I will never find one. If you took the time to ask a couple of fvcking questions to anyone that knows anything you would realize that Catholic women can serve the church the same as men. There are many different religous orders of Catholics that they can join and serve the Church. Actually, most of the nuns that I know would rather be a nun than a priest because they don't have to mess around with all the administrative BS. They are allowed more time to serve the people.

TRY AGAIN

No the question wasn't dumb but your explanation and answer sure was lacking.

I am just trying to figure out if any of the people that ask this question know ANY Catholic women that want to be priests?

or to simplify for some of you

Why should the Catholic Church change to allow women as priests?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mathlete

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mathlete
Why do we have to have to have this discussion over and over and over and over and over. I hear many people on the left, including most of my friends, ask the same question, "Why can't women be priests?". This has got to be the dumbest question that I have ever been asked. It is like me saying "It's not fair that I can't get pregnant. The women can get pregnant but not the men."

I would like to meet a Catholic women that wants to be a priest and ask her why she wants to be a priest. Unfortunately, I will never find one. If you took the time to ask a couple of fvcking questions to anyone that knows anything you would realize that Catholic women can serve the church the same as men. There are many different religous orders of Catholics that they can join and serve the Church. Actually, most of the nuns that I know would rather be a nun than a priest because they don't have to mess around with all the administrative BS. They are allowed more time to serve the people.

TRY AGAIN

No the question wasn't dumb but your explanation and answer sure was lacking.

I am just trying to figure out if any of the people that ask this question know ANY Catholic women that want to be priests?

or to simplify for some of you

Why should the Catholic Church change to allow women as priests?

To find more quality and dedicated Priests plus it would go a long ways to cut down on Lay Pedophelia

 

[Vic]

The real question is: why should the Catholics change at all?

It's their religion, not yours or mine.

 

[JackStorm]

Man...I'm no fan of the Church, but the guy isn't as bad(Can't say I like him much though) as some of you make him out to be. As some have already pointed out, people didn't have much choice when it came to joining or not joining the Hitler youth back then. Though, if he had any balls or moral convictions he wouldn't have. So I guess he did have a choice. But, whatever.

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
No, the Catholic Church prefers to teach what is Right.

Don't you mean what they 'think' is right? Who is the Church to dictate what is right or what isn't? Does the Church have some sort of monopoly on what is right?

That said. Perhaps he was the best choice given todays climat. The world needs some kind of counter balance, to counter the rapid liberalization of the world. When one ideology gains too big a foothold the world usually turns to $hit. As much as I like some of the sides of the liberal ideology, I realize things have tilted a little too much in that direction.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Vic
The real question is: why should the Catholics change at all?

It's their religion, not yours or mine.

Don't mistake my part in this conversation for me really caring if they do or they don't, I'm just wondering why they don't have Women Priest and Married Priests out of curiosity.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Vic
The real question is: why should the Catholics change at all?

It shouldn't. It should live or die by it's convictions and Principles

It's their religion, not yours or mine.

Indeed.

 

[Spencer278]

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[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Vic
The real question is: why should the Catholics change at all?

It's their religion, not yours or mine.

Don't mistake my part in this conversation for me really caring if they do or they don't, I'm just wondering why they don't have Women Priest and Married Priests out of curiosity.

The original church planners may have felt that the priest owed their full attention to the church. Having a spouse would be a big distraction and cause conflict over loyalties.

(Anyone who is married can understand that torment. Do I post on AT or go to bed?)

The issue of woman priets may ahve been due to the fact that the primary follower of Jesus are men and would be able to spread the word. Very few females are associated by the Bible as close to Jesus and to acknowledge woman into the leadership of the Church would be to possibly elevate the concept that men are no longer superior in directing the religion.

Bias all the way?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Mathlete

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mathlete
Why do we have to have to have this discussion over and over and over and over and over. I hear many people on the left, including most of my friends, ask the same question, "Why can't women be priests?". This has got to be the dumbest question that I have ever been asked. It is like me saying "It's not fair that I can't get pregnant. The women can get pregnant but not the men."

I would like to meet a Catholic women that wants to be a priest and ask her why she wants to be a priest. Unfortunately, I will never find one. If you took the time to ask a couple of fvcking questions to anyone that knows anything you would realize that Catholic women can serve the church the same as men. There are many different religous orders of Catholics that they can join and serve the Church. Actually, most of the nuns that I know would rather be a nun than a priest because they don't have to mess around with all the administrative BS. They are allowed more time to serve the people.

TRY AGAIN

No the question wasn't dumb but your explanation and answer sure was lacking.

I am just trying to figure out if any of the people that ask this question know ANY Catholic women that want to be priests?

or to simplify for some of you

Why should the Catholic Church change to allow women as priests?

To strengthen their church. Its not an issue of being able to name some woman who wants to be a priest, but for the churches sake, it should elevate the best catholic leaders in the church or the ones that have the best potential of leading the congregation. Are you saying no women could possibly have this potential, thus none should be allowed?

 

[raildogg]

Interesting to see these people constantly trash Catholicism yet say nothing about the great discrimination in the Islamic faith. You think women have it tough in the Vatican? Take a trip to Mecca or Medina.

The Catholic church has transformed itself. The Enlightenment, Galileo and other events in the past have really helped the Catholic church move forward. Yes they did try to suppress Galileo and the notion that we actually did revolve around the sun, but it has softened its positions in the recent years. Today's Catholic church is much more inclusive and open minded than the Catholic church of a thousand years ago. Remember, the Catholic church brought law and order to many places in the world, including Ireland.

Those who are brining up the pedophelia issue are vastly exaggerating it. Yes there were some priests who engaged in this outrageous behavior, but they were a tiny fraction. The Church has taken steps towards compensating the victims and removing those Priests from power. They realize that the public won't tolerate this type of behavior, no matter what the institution is.

About gay marriage: Let this be clear, all major religions of the world are opposed to gay marriage and think the behavior of gays is immoral. In fact, most people feel the same way.

The catholics have been steadily losing youth and new converts to the evangelical movement everywhere because of their perceived strict religiousness and but lack of perceived spirituality. Youth want personal experience, and not church dogma.

Wrong, the Catholic faith is one of the fastest spreading religions in the world. There is a revival among young catholics around the world. The youth loved the late Pope John Paul and he loved them. You simply don't understand what is taking place. The youth are attracted to the Catholic church because its not wishy washy and has firm beliefs.

An orthodox pope with even more emphasis on the 'rules' is the last thing the church needs to become attractive to today's youth and to help build the church for future generations.

Wrong again, the late Pope John Paul was a very conservative Pope yet he enjoyed great support from the youth. The Church is very attractive to today's youth.

Maybe there is still hope then that the North won't be lost.

The South is a lost cause for sure though.

Why is the South a lost cause? Because they are religious people who attend Church regularly?

And guess what, the North is just as religious as the south. So I guess thats a lost cause as well.

I believe that the Catholic church is the last true place where Christianity is pure and hasn't changed its beliefs because other people simply don't like it. The same cannot be said of other factions of the Christian faith. Although the Evangelical denominations from the conservative wing are pretty strict as well. The Catholic Church conforms much closely to the biblical data and offers a history of Christianty.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Interesting to see these people constantly trash Catholicism yet say nothing about the great discrimination in the Islamic faith. You think women have it tough in the Vatican? Take a trip to Mecca or Medina.

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Because 99.9% of them have no interaction with Muslims where almost everybody does with Catholics. If they interacted with Muslims as much you can bet they;d be knocking them. Also many lump all religions in to one group, especially the Religions that have the Old Testament for their basis.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Why is the South a lost cause? Because they are religious people who attend Church regularly?

And guess what, the North is just as religious as the south. So I guess thats a lost cause as well.

It's totally different in the South. They push Politics from the Pulpit down here, they didn't do that up there, at least not when I was up there until 1988. Let me know from any Catholics up there if that has changed.

 

[Homerboy]

Because 99.9% of them have no interaction with Muslims where almost everybody does with Catholics. If they interacted with Muslims as much you can bet they;d be knocking them. Also many lump all religions in to one group, especially the Religions that have the Old Testament for their basis.

So to shorten your answer, they trash Catholicism out of ignornance. Sounds about right!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Because 99.9% of them have no interaction with Muslims where almost everybody does with Catholics. If they interacted with Muslims as much you can bet they;d be knocking them. Also many lump all religions in to one group, especially the Religions that have the Old Testament for their basis.

So to shorten your answer, they trash Catholicism out of ignornance. Sounds about right!

You need to work on your reading comnprehension because that's not what I posted. If anything they are less ignorant about the Catholic Religion because of their daily interactions with Catholics.

 

[dawheat]

To answer the question on why the Catholic church only allows men to become priests- the answer can be summed up through two statements:

1. They beleive that Christ chose his Apostles from only men by design, not by chance.
2. They, as the church, have no right or power to go against God's plan or design

Priestly ordination is considered the continuation of Christ's calling of his Apostles. You can read a pretty good write up at:

http://www.domestic-church.com/CONTENT.DCC/19990301/SCRMNTL/ordin_w%27men.htm

Couple relevant paragraphs:

The fact the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles attest that this call was made in accordance with God's eternal plan; Christ chose those whom he willed (cf. Mk 3:13-14; Jn 6:70), and he did so in union with the Father, "through the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:2), after having spent the night in prayer (cf. Lk 6:12). Therefore, in granting admission to the ministerial priesthood,(6) the Church has always acknowledged as a perennial norm her Lord's way of acting in choosing the twelve men whom he made the foundation of his Church (cf. Rv 21:14). These men did not in fact receive only a function which could thereafter be exercised by any member of the Church; rather they were specifically and intimately associated in the mission of the Incarnate Word himself (cf. Mt 10:1, 7-8; 28:16-20; Mk 3:13-16; 16:14-15). The Apostles did the same when they chose fellow workers(7) who would succeed them in their ministry.(8) Also included in this choice were those who, throughout the time of the Church, would carry on the Apostles' mission of representing Christ the Lord and Redeemer.(9)

Furthermore, the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the Apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them. Rather, it is to be seen as the faithful observance of a plan to be ascribed to the wisdom of the Lord of the universe.

The presence and the role of women in the life and mission of the Church, although not linked to the ministerial priesthood, remain absolutely necessary and irreplaceable. As the Declaration Inter Insigniores points out, "the Church desires that Christian women should become fully aware of the greatness of their mission: today their role is of capital importance both for the renewal and humanization of society and for the rediscovery by believers of the true face of the Church."