Bernie Sanders announces 2020 campaign (and apparently raises a massive amount of $$$ within hours)

[BurnItDwn]

Lets see how badly the media treats him because he hurts the feelings of their advertisors and the billionaires who own the world. I believe others will also fight against plutocracy and kleptocracy, but, I see sanders as the one who will never cave in. He will fight to the death. and will never take bribes. He is as hardcore as they come. If he is nominated, he will win against trump with ~70% of the popular vote.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Lets see how badly the media treats him because he hurts the feelings of their advertisors and the billionaires who own the world. I believe others will also fight against plutocracy and kleptocracy, but, I see sanders as the one who will never cave in. He will fight to the death. and will never take bribes. He is as hardcore as they come. If he is nominated, he will win against trump with ~70% of the popular vote.

We've already seen how badly they've tried to hurt Trump. Bernie fits their agenda better, though.

 

[BurnItDwn]

We've already seen how badly they've tried to hurt Trump. Bernie fits their agenda better, though.

The media LOVES trump, they dedicate almost 100% of their time to him.
They might say "mean" things about him, but, the fact that they mention him and talk about him draws attention to him.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The media LOVES trump, they dedicate almost 100% of their time to him.
They might say "mean" things about him, but, the fact that they mention him and talk about him draws attention to him.

They spend as much time as they can telling people how awful he is because they love him? Doubt it. But, for Trump, he seems to follow the any publicity is good publicity rule, and it works out for him. A side effect maybe, but not their intention.

 

[BurnItDwn]

They spend as much time as they can telling people how awful he is because they love him? Doubt it. But, for Trump, he seems to follow the any publicity is good publicity rule, and it works out for him. A side effect maybe, but not their intention.

Hmm, it is possible they might have noble intentions and just be incompetent.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Hmm, it is possible they might have noble intentions and just be incompetent.

I think they do hate him, but in their quest to put a dent in Trump all they did was save him advertising dollars. That's one of the reasons they're so scared of him, he's a reflection of their waning influence.

 

[blankslate]

He'll define the policy discussions, but I don't think he'll carry the nomination.

As long a a person who is naturally inclined to support Bernie's policy positions on economics (he has been admittedly less strong of foreign policy in the past than others) carries through to the nomination that's also fine in my book but apparently there are too few of those in the primary atm imho.


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[Jhhnn]

They spend as much time as they can telling people how awful he is because they love him? Doubt it. But, for Trump, he seems to follow the any publicity is good publicity rule, and it works out for him. A side effect maybe, but not their intention.

It's that "Enemy of the People" thing, isn't it? Or maybe it's that Trump lies too often to make fact checking effective. He exploits Brandolini's law like no other, creating massive waves of bullshit he surfs so effortlessly.

 

[blankslate]

Lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1098014974390296578

Not only that his announcement video is crushing other announcement videos by other candidates in twitter views...
yet somehow Bernie is old news... maybe he is but many many people apparently very much support the policy positions he champions

https://twitter.com/x/status/1098196710344585217

remember at the time of this post Bernie's announcement video is the newest and the others have been up for longer... weeks in some cases.


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[Texashiker]

Oh, please. You've raved about America's dirty rotten anti-American leftists since forever & Bernie Sanders is def that guy.

I see Bernie as a moderate leftist. He touches on important topics that should have been addressed decades ago

I don't take every conservative poster here as being honest about what they say, but I do take @Texashiker at his. Just saying.....

Thank you Moonbeam

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So you'll vote for him then if he's the Dem running?

Depending on his trade and immigration policies, chances are very good I would vote for him.

Medicare for all / VERY affordable healthcare
Balanced trade
Affordable housing
Free higher education

I feel those are the most pressing issues facing our nation. Will Bernie be able to balance trade with China? I seriously doubt it. If you want me to explain I will, but it will be a long post.

When it comes to immigration we can not open the borders. We simply do not have the jobs or housing to take in millions of people. Open borders is a far left ideology that helps liberals feel better about themselves. Some of the rich Hollywood elite want open borders, then work to close public beaches in front of their beach homes.

Gun control is another issue. Bernie should adopt a "No new gun control" policy, and chances are he will win over centralist GOP voters. There is supposed to be another gun case heading to the supreme court. Depending on how that turns out, it could help or hurt democrats hopes for gun control.

Abortion is a deal breaker. If Bernie starts pushing free publicly funded abortions, then there is no way I can vote for him. I hate to be a single issue voter, but my morals and values do not allow me to vote for someone who diminishes the value of human life.

 

[Jaskalas]

Immigration
Gun control
Abortion

You can cut the suspense, spoiler alert, Bernie Sanders is a Democrat. He will oppose your position on those issues. You already know this. Or at least you should. The question is, whether those OTHER issues outweigh them. For me they do, and that is the crux of why I'll vote Democrat even though I have my differences with them. At the end of the day, they are more supportive of the most important issues facing America today.

 

[ivwshane]

When Bernie is crushing it, it's because he's popular and resonating.

When Bernie wasn't popular it's because he didn't have the name recognition like Clinton did.

Now I wonder if the Bernie boys will apply that same logic to all the other candidates.

 

[Bitek]

As long a a person who is naturally inclined to support Bernie's policy positions on economics (he has been admittedly less strong of foreign policy in the past than others) carries through to the nomination that's also fine in my book but apparently there are too few of those in the primary atm imho.


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I think it's going to be interesting to watch the dynamics during the primary.

There are so many candidates from so many gender and ethnic backgrounds that that can't be used as a strong differentiator (like Hillary did.)

So with so many candidates, they will have to use policy positions to create that visibility they will need to break out in the polls, early primary states and super Tuesday.

Bernie should define the left most position, Klobuchar maybe the most centrist.

So then where do they place their bets? Pragmatic centrism (Amy) or idealistic Progressivism (Bernie.)

Then where do the rest align themselves on the spectrum, especially the front runners (Booker, Harris, really interesting..Biden?) We know Warren will be on the left.

 

[Thump553]

The real issues will be (1) can Sanders attract enough voters to be electable and (b) can Sanders be an effective President, ie someone who can implement his policies. The issue is not whether the media/party/God/whoever treats Sanders fairly or whether his supporters have hurt feelings.

A very substantial side issue is whether Sanders doesn't get the nomination do his supporters become butthurt (again) and sit out the election/vote for a hopeless third party candidate (again).

I don't want Sanders to led to a second Trump term. Personally I have doubts about his electibility, and based on his long Senate record I think he will be mostly ineffective as President.

I like the guy personally and agree with much of what he says, but he will be my second/third/fourth choice at best.

The next President's major job is going to be undoing Trump's damage, both domestically and internationally, reign in the ballooning GOP induced deficit and fix the tax system. I don't think Sanders is the best for this role.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So assuming Bernie gets the nod by the Democrats, who is his VP? Hillary? Go full socialist and go with AOC?

 

[Texashiker]

You can cut the suspense, spoiler alert, Bernie Sanders is a Democrat. He will oppose your position on those issues. You already know this. Or at least you should. The question is, whether those OTHER issues outweigh them. For me they do, and that is the crux of why I'll vote Democrat even though I have my differences with them. At the end of the day, they are more supportive of the most important issues facing America today.

Will Bernie pander to the far left and promote stuff like open borders, and abolish ICE? I doubt he will do anything to secure the southern border.

Gun control. There will be long term and far reaching effects from banning the AR-15. The thing is, gun owners have given, and given, and given, until there is nothing left to give.

Abortion, I see it as a human rights issue for the unborn. Bernie would win more moderate voters if he would push helping pregnant mothers with social programs.

 

[Jhhnn]

I see Bernie as a moderate leftist. He touches on important topics that should have been addressed decades ago

So, this is the stuff you want?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...elieve-where-the-candidate-stands-on-9-issues

Gun control. There will be long term and far reaching effects from banning the AR-15. The thing is, gun owners have given, and given, and given, until there is nothing left to give.

Given up what, exactly?

 

[glenn1]

So assuming Bernie gets the nod by the Democrats, who is his VP? Hillary?

I'm unsure what Hillary would add to that ticket apart from grief and more questions about her judgment.

 

[Blackjack200]

Given up what, exactly?

Their fucks - apparently they have none left to give.

 

[Texashiker]

So, this is the stuff you want?

Except for gun control and abortion, yea, pretty much.

Given up what, exactly?

• National Firearms Act of 1934
• Gun Control Act of 1968
• Brady Bill
• Import gun ban by President George H.W. Bush
• President Obama social security gun ban - later replead by congress
• Import gun ban by President Bill Clinton
• Import gun ban by President Trump - part of sanctions against Russia.
• Family violence laws that ban people from owning guns because of a misdemeanor crime.

Then there are the various state level gun control laws.

Part of what we have given up is the right to own a gun without the governments permission, aka background checks. Restrictions on various types of guns, and import bans on other types.

Taking of gun rights without a felony conviction, such as a misdemeanor family violence.

 

[Moonbeam]

The big problem I see for Sanders is that because he ran against the establishment, read in bed with money, side of the Democratic Party as a ‘socialist, and because his message is the only message that can restore democracy and was therefore the right one for a candidate on the left to have, but lost despite that fact, and Clinton also lost, this split the Democrats into two factions.

The result, of course is that Democrats who did not see the rage of the dispossessed coming at the death of democracy in the country and exercised all the collective wisdom that it was Clinton who embodied the rational side of the left and lost, have nobody to blame but themselves, and one look at Republicans should tell any objective person just how unlikely that is.

So here we are with one side of the party rejecting the reality there candidate lost on failure to harness the rage of the dispossessed by voicing their alienation authentically, and the other side angry the establishment side won’t cut stop sucking the money teet.

So now we have two stories. Loyalty to Sanders cost Clinton the election. Loyalty to the Democratic establishment got Trump elected. It’s now a war between the rage of the dispossessed against the establishment within the Democratic Party itself.

Where will it all lead. The likely scenario I see is that the party of denied guilt and increasingly less suppressed rage will tear itself apart and Republicans, but maybe not Trump himself will win.

As good as Trump makes a Democratic win look likely, think how appealing a rational Republican would look up against ‘some mad person who threatens the 1%. Think of the money that would be spent to buy that popularity.

Democracy is dead. Long live Democracy.

 

[Blackjack200]

As good as Trump makes a Democratic win look likely, think how appealing a rational Republican would look up against ‘some mad person who threatens the 1%. Think of the money that would be spent to buy that popularity.

Democracy is dead. Long live Democracy.

Those two words are at war with each other.

 

[Texashiker]

So now we have two stories.

Loyalty to Sanders cost Clinton the election.

Loyalty to the Democratic establishment got Trump elected.

It’s now a war between the rage of the dispossessed against the establishment within the Democratic Party itself.

I respectfully disagree.

Hillary lost because she ran a campaign based on fear and lies. She stuck to a playbook that had won countless elections before hers.

What won Trump the election is how he addressed the issues. He addressed balanced trade, he addressed jobs, he addressed immigration... etc.

One example was Hillary saying when she is elected women will make as much as men. Well, logical thinkers already know the wage gap is a lie. Also, there is a federal law on the books to ensure equal pay. Besides all of that, states have laws to ensure women make the same as men. This "women will make as much as men" played to emotional voters.

Another issue was Hillary saying she was going to shut down the coal mines. What are those people supposed to do for jobs? I voted agsinst hillary in part to save the jobs of coal miners and to save their families.

The vast majority of hillarys campaign was "Trump is bad."

The vast majority of Trumps campaign was addressing the issues.

That is why Trump won and Hillary lost.

 

[Moonbeam]

Those two words are at war with each other.

We have known since we were children:

Row, row, row your boat. Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily. Life is but a dream.

 

[Texashiker]

Democracy is dead. Long live Democracy.

Democracy should be dead, long live the republic.