Bernie Sanders announces 2020 campaign (and apparently raises a massive amount of $$$ within hours)

[nutxo]

This is not an attack so please don't take it as such.

Is no one concerned that Sanders is a communist?

 

[Blackjack200]

This is not an attack so please don't take it as such.

Is no one concerned that Sanders is a communist?

Unfortunately, he’s not a communist, but he’s still the best option. we have to compromise.

 

[nutxo]

He supports Castro. He supports Ortega. He spent his honeymoon in the USSR. He flew a Russian flag in his office. This man is a fucking dyed in the wool communist.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He supports Castro. He supports Ortega. He spent his honeymoon in the USSR. He flew a Russian flag in his office. This man is a fucking dyed in the wool communist.

Haven't you been paying attention, we're pals with Russia, it's all good, comrade. He's a lock for pulling independent votes, and maybe some republicans.

 

[Jaskalas]

Is no one concerned that Sanders is a communist?

Ahahahahaha.....
Such word. Much meaning. WoW.

In practice, that means forcing everyone into poverty while upholding a ruling elite, a party of the rich. Does that sum up the worldly examples of communism? Well, Capitalism appears to be doing just fine heading that way on its own, perhaps you should come to realize that the "communist collapse" is exactly where America is heading. Progressive Democrats are the ones trying to prevent that by saving Capitalism from its own cannibalism. To save the consumer by fighting to restore balance between public and private interests. By making America great again, with the sort of middle class wealth and higher tax rates that existed in the 50s and 60s.

America's golden age was short lived, and the world began to evolve in the 70s. Trickle down followed and it has eroded the foundational wealth of America. We've let Wall Street horde the riches and ship them overseas. This is not an attack so please don't take it as such. But people have been brainwashed into thinking mere taxation is socialist, or communist. Yet we would never seize the means of production, or enslave people to the government. Those notions are fallacies suffered by people who are victims of propaganda.

Follow the money, and explain where it has gone, and how we can restore it. Hint, it's not through further tax cuts.

 

[Moonbeam]

When we're talking about a two party system there isn't a ton of room for gray. There is the best option and worst option. For me, the best option was sometimes been from party A, sometimes party B. Can you say that?

Good grief. The fact that your inability to determine the lesser of two evils with any regularity is not the way to impress me. I did vote for a Republican over Feinstein for Senate back when, but the whole intent was to vote for the greater evil. I figured so long as my Senator was enough of a monster to vote for a war, we might has well have the real thing. I promised her in a letter if she voted for war she would never get my vote again. I keep my word.

 

[nutxo]

Ahahahahaha.....
Such word. Much meaning. WoW.

In practice, that means forcing everyone into poverty while upholding a ruling elite, a party of the rich. Does that sum up the worldly examples of communism? Well, Capitalism appears to be doing just fine heading that way on its own, perhaps you should come to realize that the "communist collapse" is exactly where America is heading. Progressive Democrats are the ones trying to prevent that by saving Capitalism from its own cannibalism. To save the consumer by fighting to restore balance between public and private interests. By making America great again, with the sort of middle class wealth and higher tax rates that existed in the 50s and 60s.

America's golden age was short lived, and the world began to evolve in the 70s. Trickle down followed and it has eroded the foundational wealth of America. We've let Wall Street horde the riches and ship them overseas. This is not an attack so please don't take it as such. But people have been brainwashed into thinking mere taxation is socialist, or communist. Yet we would never seize the means of production, or enslave people to the government. Those notions are fallacies suffered by people who are victims of propaganda.

Follow the money, and explain where it has gone, and how we can restore it. Hint, it's not through further tax cuts.

Nice distraction. I asked a simple question and stated a few facts that cant be disputed. As for " such word , much meaning ( ESLmuch? Were you just being a dick? ) That shit doesn't fly.

I look at that chart and it seems to me that whatever that fucking peanut farmer did fucked the country forever.

 

[sportage]

The DNC will NEVER allow Bernie Sanders to be their torch bearer, never never never.
First off, the DNC doesn't consider Bernie as "one of them".
Sanders is an indépendant and thus an outsider.
And should Sanders win the nomination, that would strengthen the independent party even though Sanders runs under the democratic banner.
Plus, any threat to the two party system i.e. democrats and republicans would never be tolerated. That is one thing both the democrat and republican establishment fully agrees on. Two players, democrats and republicans. No room for a third.

Second, the DNC i.e. high establishment are dead set on having a woman as their torch bearer this time around.
Remember, they expected Hillary would prevail back in 2016, but she didn't.
So now the DNC is even more pissed than ever.
They want that woman president 2016 cheated them out of.
You can bet the farm that in 2020 it will be a woman going up against Donald Trump.
It's a done deal.

Despite what people believe about this illusion of an free election system, it will not be Bernie in 2020. Sorry America.
Sanders would have far better luck running as a republican against Donald Trump.
So.... which woman it will be we do not yet know, but the DNC knows.
And for them, Bernie Sanders is not an option. Period!
As with the DNC back in 2016, the repeat of snubbing Bernie will once again piss off a huge chunk of democrats and independents.
And we all know what that means because it happen once before...
President Donald Trump and his second term.

 

[Blackjack200]

The DNC will NEVER allow Bernie Sanders to be their torch bearer, never never never.
First off, the DNC doesn't consider Bernie as "one of them".
Sanders is an indépendant and thus an outsider.
And should Sanders win the nomination, that would strengthen the independent party even though Sanders runs under the democratic banner.
Plus, any threat to the two party system i.e. democrats and republicans would never be tolerated. That is one thing both the democrat and republican establishment fully agrees on. Two players, democrats and republicans. No room for a third.

Second, the DNC i.e. high establishment are dead set on having a woman as their torch bearer this time around.
Remember, they expected Hillary would prevail back in 2016, but she didn't.
So now the DNC is even more pissed than ever.
They want that woman president 2016 cheated them out of.
You can bet the farm that in 2020 it will be a woman going up against Donald Trump.
It's a done deal.

Despite what people believe about this illusion of an free election system, it will not be Bernie in 2020. Sorry America.
Sanders would have far better luck running as a republican against Donald Trump.
So.... which woman it will be we do not yet know, but the DNC knows.
And for them, Bernie Sanders is not an option. Period!
As with the DNC back in 2016, the repeat of snubbing Bernie will once again piss off a huge chunk of democrats and independents.
And we all know what that means because it happen once before...
President Donald Trump and his second term.

Go to bed.

 

[Bitek]

So assuming Bernie gets the nod by the Democrats, who is his VP? Hillary? Go full socialist and go with AOC?

You think so small.

They will sacrifice a clutch of Christian fetuses in the name of Baal and reanimate Hugo Chavez' corpse of course.

 

[Moonbeam]

While it is obvious even from this thread that the Democratic Party is fractured and bitterness and recriminations already are manifest, one thing that still gives me hope is that it is vital for the welfare of the country that Trump loses. Let us hope that will be enough for the Democratic nominee to win.

 

[Greenman]

While it is obvious even from this thread that the Democratic Party is fractured and bitterness and recriminations already are manifest, one thing that still gives me hope is that it is vital for the welfare of the country that Trump loses. Let us hope that will be enough for the Democratic nominee to win.

It's starting to look like the Democratic nominee will be whoever promises the most free stuff.
A free car in every garage, a free chicken in every pot.

 

[Jhhnn]

While it is obvious even from this thread that the Democratic Party is fractured and bitterness and recriminations already are manifest, one thing that still gives me hope is that it is vital for the welfare of the country that Trump loses. Let us hope that will be enough for the Democratic nominee to win.

Well, Putin's boys are already fucking with our minds-

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018

Too many Americans have as much a chance against that computational propaganda as they do in a chess match against Alphazero.

 

[Jaskalas]

As for " such word , much meaning ( ESLmuch? Were you just being a dick? ) That shit doesn't fly.

I suppose you've been living under a rock, or you're a Boomer. Bro, do you even doge?

 

[Jaskalas]

Nice distraction. I asked a simple question and stated a few facts that cant be disputed.

There is plenty to dispute. Progressive Democrats like Bernie Sanders are not socialist, let alone communist.

Socialism

Seizing ownership and control of the means of production.​

That is what Chavez did to Venezuela. No one is proposing that here in America. The word socialist has been maligned and abused, twisted by Republicans to mean anyone who supports taxation. I guess the United States in 1913 was socialist. Or especially the 1950s and 1960s with a 90% and 70% upper tax bracket. Heaven forbid WE make America great again, simply by returning to what worked. Some Democrats have adopted and co-opted the Republican's slander, to say socialist for anyone who gives a !@#$. The modern moniker is as a badge of honor, that we actually care about our people.

I look at that chart and it seems to me that whatever that fucking peanut farmer did fucked the country forever.

Iran created a fuel crisis in the 70s, the economy took a big hit. Tell me, what is it about the Reagan Revolution that stopped our recovery? What is it about the Republican take over of government that destroyed wealth for the average working American? That destroyed the Middle Class?

I suspect you know what "you" have done. Those charts are the consequences. Blaming Carter is funny, but it ignores the hard right turn America took in the 80s. Wall Street hoards the wealth of America, and ships it overseas to further their investments. Far from the reach of American workers / consumers. We are all the poorer for it. To MAGA, we need to actually invest in our people. To give them the opportunity for a better future that they deserve. You would see Wall Street cripple this nation with slave wages. I would see our people prosper after we balance public and private wealth.

There is a minimum amount of wealth it takes to survive, to keep the consumers "in the game" and our economy, our nation, thriving. The first chart shows you income inequality peaked for the Great Depression, and again at the Great Recession. The second chart shows you how America achieved such poverty in the modern era, by depriving labor of its value. By stiffing our workers, our consumers, of the necessary income it take to thrive. As each year passes that gap grows larger, wages remain suppressed and losing ground against the costs of living. Each year we fail to solve this problem, America draws closer to collapse.

As a Capitalist, I support Basic Income and other such "socialist" initiatives as that is what is required to restore the American consumer, to save the Middle Class, and to truly Make America Great Again. By mending the wound in Capitalism, to save it for future generations.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It's starting to look like the Democratic nominee will be whoever promises the most free stuff.
A free car in every garage, a free chicken in every pot.

Yup, 100% correct. And that is why Bernie has such a leg up in the race, he was offering free stuff in the last election, he's a proven ally to those that refuse to put effort into their own lives. Want to drop fries in the oil all your life as a career path? Well you deserve $15/hr, free tuition to Fry.T.T. Institute, tax payers will handle your health care and rent, a tax payer provided basic income and food stamps will help supplement the lowly $15/hr, etc. etc.

 

[Moonbeam]

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It's starting to look like the Democratic nominee will be whoever promises the most free stuff.
A free car in every garage, a free chicken in every pot.

I believe you are a victim of propaganda. I think it is a statistically proven fact that the gap between the rich and the poor in our country has widened and to the extent we are verging on revolution, something I would prefer not to see. I believe that gap happens as an inverse of how much socialism we have in government. I think, therefore, that you are a casualty of the class war waged against the other classes by the rich and that only more socialism can cure the country of its ills. These things I would call stupefyingly obvious facts. It makes me sad you don't agree because I feel that you work against your own best interests and as your programming intended.

 

[Moonbeam]

I found this piece to be rather interesting:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/20/bernie-sanders-left-2020-225190

It is more along the lines of what I often argue, the drift on the left toward grievance identity politics. I believe that there is no other place that we can be at our current level of consciousness and that those filled with grievance are actually motivated by hate and that hate is fear and the source of all evil. It isn't just conservatives who fuck themselves.

 

[Indus]

I found this piece to be rather interesting:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/20/bernie-sanders-left-2020-225190

It is more along the lines of what I often argue, the drift on the left toward grievance identity politics. I believe that there is no other place that we can be at our current level of consciousness and that those filled with grievance are actually motivated by hate and that hate is fear and the source of all evil. It isn't just conservatives who fuck themselves.

I think he has a legit shot.

Reasoning.. duck test.

Most of Bernie's voters will vote for him again.

Most of Hillary's voters will split between Warren, Kamala, Corey and Amy.

It may very well be a 35% of the primary electorate tells the rest what to do just like we had with Trumpty Dumpty.

I personally have found Pete of South Bend Indiana growing on me, but unless he breaks through in Iowa or New Hampshire like Obama did.. it's gonna be tough for him.

Actually it'll be tough for a lot of them unless they score early wins.

 

[Jaskalas]

I found this piece to be rather interesting:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/20/bernie-sanders-left-2020-225190

It is more along the lines of what I often argue, the drift on the left toward grievance identity politics. I believe that there is no other place that we can be at our current level of consciousness and that those filled with grievance are actually motivated by hate and that hate is fear and the source of all evil. It isn't just conservatives who fuck themselves.

This is perhaps, more than anything else, the difficulty of joining the Democrats over the Republicans.

The raw seething hatred on display. I try to dismiss it as them getting caught up in the fight, but if they attack MLK's message and solemnly believe it is okay to hate Sanders because he is white, then I would have a great deal of trouble associating with such hate groups. In not wanting to actively see them opposed and stopped at all costs.

In the end, I only know myself. And I strive to let go and instead focus on helping others. To push for the economics to do so. And in that regard Democrats are my only choice, warts and all. Perhaps some day those who obsess over people's birth can relegate themselves all to the conservative party, leaving the rest of us to focus on progressive solutions. That is what I hope for at least.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think he has a legit shot.

Reasoning.. duck test.

Most of Bernie's voters will vote for him again.

Most of Hillary's voters will split between Warren, Kamala, Corey and Amy.

It may very well be a 35% of the primary electorate tells the rest what to do just like we had with Trumpty Dumpty.

I personally have found Pete of South Bend Indiana growing on me, but unless he breaks through in Iowa or New Hampshire like Obama did.. it's gonna be tough for him.

Actually it'll be tough for a lot of them unless they score early wins.

The problem I see for the Democrats is how to run not on race identity politics, but on economic justice and how to pursue economic justice without hatred for the rich. They (the rich) were warned in childhood not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. They didn't know that money can't buy real love of self.

 

[Greenman]

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I believe you are a victim of propaganda. I think it is a statistically proven fact that the gap between the rich and the poor in our country has widened and to the extent we are verging on revolution, something I would prefer not to see. I believe that gap happens as an inverse of how much socialism we have in government. I think, therefore, that you are a casualty of the class war waged against the other classes by the rich and that only more socialism can cure the country of its ills. These things I would call stupefyingly obvious facts. It makes me sad you don't agree because I feel that you work against your own best interests and as your programming intended.

That's a pretty good take on the issue, but I don't think it's correct in my case. I've never asked for, or received, anything that I didn't pay for. The small success I've had has been entirely due to hard work, honesty, and being far to stupid to know when to quit. That attitude and work ethic pervades my entire life. I understand there are people that for any number of valid reasons are in trouble and need help, I don't begrudge that help, but it's perfectly valid for me to ask how many hours of my day will have to be given to that cause.
It also concerns me when these things become rights. As a right, it removes the requirement of action from the recipient, the equation changes from earning these things to demanding them.

 

[hal2kilo]

He supports Castro. He supports Ortega. He spent his honeymoon in the USSR. He flew a Russian flag in his office. This man is a fucking dyed in the wool communist.

You seem outraged. Do you care that our president has been compromised by a Russian ex KGB communist. I would be way more concerned about that.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's starting to look like the Democratic nominee will be whoever promises the most free stuff.
A free car in every garage, a free chicken in every pot.

Why not that strategy worked for Trump.

 

[Greenman]

Why not that strategy worked for Trump.

I wasn't aware of that.