Bernie Sanders announces 2020 campaign (and apparently raises a massive amount of $$$ within hours)

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Jhhnn

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Or one could appoint justices who will overturn Citizens United. It was a poorly reasoned decision. There is ample reason to throw it out.

We can also publicly finance campaigns.

Peachy. When do we do that? Sounds great in the long term but we may be able to do what I suggested in the mid term, not long after the 2020 election. We just have to win.
 

woolfe9998

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Peachy. When do we do that? Sounds great in the long term but we may be able to do what I suggested in the mid term, not long after the 2020 election. We just have to win.

Yes, we need to do what you suggested, and we need a law for public financing of Congressional and Presidential campaigns. Overturning CU will take longer but also needs to be done.

All that stuff you've been talking about for years, about the ownership society and all those "jerb creators," guess what has made that possible? Also climate change (fossil fuel industry), healthcare reform (insurance industry and big pharma). You name it. We're not getting anything done because of it.
Calling it a feature rather than a bug doesn't mean it has to stay.
 

yhelothar

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Repealing Citizens United is attacking the problem from the wrong end. Like with the drug war we need to address the demand side rather than the supply - instead put the effort into a Constitutional amendment prohibiting political ads on TV or the internet. If politicians aren't needing to constantly raise money (which gets spent almost exclusively on ads) then those politicians won't need to constantly beg for donations from those corporations or wealthy individuals and there won't be as much value in those folks giving politicians $ for "campaign contributions."

Public financing is a very widespread policy in European countries to combat cronyism. This might take the form of a fixed amount of money given to a candidate after they reach a certain amount of popularity. Or each citizen has a budget of $X to contribute to a candidate.
 
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glenn1

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Public financing is a very widespread policy in European countries to combat cronyism. This might take the form of a fixed amount of money given to a candidate after they reach a certain amount of popularity. Or each citizen has a budget of $X to contribute to a candidate.

So explain to me the value of a system where the outcomes are heavily based on advertising and why changing the funding source for that advertising fixes anything unless you're trying to lower the collective IQ of voters to resemble the movie Idiocracy.

 

alcoholbob

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I think more impressive than the fundraising is the over 1 million volunteers who have already signed up. Sander's campaign is already a juggernaut that will be a real struggle for a primary candidate to overcome. It might have to take someone like an establishment supported Biden to match or beat Sanders.
 

glenn1

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I think more impressive than the fundraising is the over 1 million volunteers who have already signed up. Sander's campaign is already a juggernaut that will be a real struggle for a primary candidate to overcome. It might have to take someone like an establishment supported Biden to match or beat Sanders.

Dems are going to have to swallow hard and suppress their natural instincts to run from Sanders because they want a candidate with higher "electability." Last time that led to Kerry being beaten by Bush. I don't think Sanders will end up being the Dem candidate but if that came to pass he'd still get my vote over Trump despite Sanders holding many positions that I find terrible. The American voter seems to very much want a POTUS with sincerely held core positions even if they don't agree with them vs. someone who is willing to modify their positions on a whim to suit the audience and to advance the interests of the false idol of "electability." I did a "I Side With" online test and ended up with Tulsi Gabbard and Amy Klobuchar although I do hope Pete Buttigieg gains traction. Bernie ranked last on the I Side With test but I'd still vote for him over Trump without question; at least his ideas about privacy and civil liberties are basically correct even though his social-democrat policies aren't something I really support.
 

blankslate

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Sanders had a massive rally in Brooklyn today to kick off his campaign.



I can see the cable news media now... "The size of campaign rally crowds doesn't matter...."

much like reporting other candidates before Bernie's announcement included noting amounts a candidate raised in a matter of fact manner.
Now after Bernie raised more than double anyone else in the first 24 hours and in many cases quadruple The Washington Post now writes "Why Sander's Money Haul doesn't mean much."

Maybe they think (or maybe hope or both) that billionaires will step in and donate hundreds of millions to keep Bernie from being the Democratic nominee.

who knows?


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Jhhnn

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I can see the cable news media now... "The size of campaign rally crowds doesn't matter...."

much like reporting other candidates before Bernie's announcement included noting amounts a candidate raised in a matter of fact manner.
Now after Bernie raised more than double anyone else in the first 24 hours and in many cases quadruple The Washington Post now writes "Why Sander's Money Haul doesn't mean much."

Maybe they think (or maybe hope or both) that billionaires will step in and donate hundreds of millions to keep Bernie from being the Democratic nominee.

who knows?


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Be sure to throw shade on the Democratic Party.
 

DarthKyrie

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I can see the cable news media now... "The size of campaign rally crowds doesn't matter...."

much like reporting other candidates before Bernie's announcement included noting amounts a candidate raised in a matter of fact manner.
Now after Bernie raised more than double anyone else in the first 24 hours and in many cases quadruple The Washington Post now writes "Why Sander's Money Haul doesn't mean much."

Maybe they think (or maybe hope or both) that billionaires will step in and donate hundreds of millions to keep Bernie from being the Democratic nominee.

who knows?


__________

The media will do there best to simply ignore him like they did last time. Bernie was filling stadiums and he was basically ignored by the talking heads on the magic box.
 
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Jhhnn

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The media will do there best to simply ignore him like they did last time. Bernie was filling stadiums and he was basically ignored by the talking heads on the magic box.

Yeh, the enemy of the people is always conspiring against somebody.
 
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Bernie is a career politician, he's good at doing one thing; getting reelected. He talks a good game but he doesn't have anything to show for it.


All I know is that if the democrats don't nominate the perfect candidate I'll be voting for a third party or for trump, especially if Bernie is elected.

This sounds like the bullshit scare tactics the right likes to use about “but you’ll get Pence if you get rid of Trump”
 
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Its an analogy that thoughts and words are only real to those who experience them. If someone thinks of something racist, does that make them a racist? If so, what proof do we have? You do not have to answer those questions.

Words are just vibrations sent through the air. Words themselves are no different than any other sound. What makes words good, bad, racist? Nothing more than our idea of what sound means. Does this mean all sounds can be good, bad, evil.. etc? Or is it just human sounds? All of this is subjective to the person experiencing the sounds.

So words are neither good, nor bad, nor racist... etc, as they are just vibrations our voice box creates. What is important is your interpretation of the word, which is totally subjective to your opinion.

And we’ve reached the I want to marry my toaster part of the thread.
 

Jhhnn

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Wait. This is what Trump did, but he won. Can’t have it both ways man.

Trump didn't win on the basis of substance but rather on the basis of style. He's a flaming asshole & they love him for it. Michael Cohen felt the same way until he didn't.
 

Jhhnn

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That's not a bullshit scare tactic, it's an established fact. Mike is second in line, Nancy is third.

Nobody's skeered of Mike Pence. He couldn't lead sailors on shore leave to free whiskey & cheap whores.
 
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That's not a bullshit scare tactic, it's an established fact. Mike is second in line, Nancy is third.

I didn’t mean it wasnt truth. Just nobody is scared of Pence. He’d sadly be an upgrade. Not much of one though, but one none the less. But a banana would also be an upgrade so we really don’t have much to work with here.
 
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