Bernie Sanders Favorability Rating = 61%

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
34,001
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He may be as old as the rest of them... but he's the best we have.
What Sanders needs is a successor to carry on the fight for our people.
 
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BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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He may be as old as the rest of them... but he's the best we have.
What Sanders needs is a successor to carry on the fight for our people.

Biden has also been given some hopes, but he's also old -- like Sanders.

I voted for Sanders in the primary, with a belief that Clinton would still likely win the nomination. It only worked out partially as I hoped: only some of the Sanders supporters threw their weight behind Clinton, who in turn did not adequately promote a more progressive agenda. If she did, it was almost a tongue-in-cheek effort. She focused on Trump's profound shortcomings as the Anti-Christ (which he is . . ) and failed to articulate a more solid platform. It was her election to win, and she lost it. But she lost it with Russian help.

Yet she still won the popular vote. According to Trump, when he uses the expression "The American People," more than 50% of voters in the November election do not exist.

Your run-of-the-mill chucklehead voter needs a primer on game-theory. Voting for someone as an "act of protest" who doesn't stand a chance is a losing strategy. Collective action requires dirty choices. If you get a choice between a shit-sandwich and stale chicken-salad, choosing the shit-sandwich is not a practical option.

Sanders would have made a good president. He can still become a good president, but in actuarial terms, I wish we could get some younger blood.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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sanders would be a great pres in 2020 to try and fix all the bumbling the pill popping rust belt segment voted for.
 
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BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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sanders would be a great pres in 2020 to try and fix all the bumbling the pill popping rust belt segment voted for.

We don't know how bad things could be by then. The Trumpers, Bannonites and other trash seem to have had a covert agenda for a long time: "deconstruct" and destroy institutions that evolved over a century.

Whether the answer is Sanders, Biden or anyone else, I insist on an agenda for putting it all back together again. In their insane attempt to destroy the Federal tier of government, they are going to cost the public more than they could possibly imagine.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I believe George Bush's popularity is up as well. Who the fuck cares?

You guys keep putting your faith into politicians you like instead of politicians who get things done or have comprehensive plans to address complex issues. Its why we are in the mess that we are in. It could have been much worse, luckily Obama was not only popular but also competent.
 
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Commodus

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 2004
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I honestly would prefer Biden for a 2020 run, so long as his age isn't a showstopper. Not that Sanders doesn't have some good policies -- it's just that Biden strikes me as more electable due to his personality (it's warmer), his experience and his connection to Obama (which is looking increasingly positive the longer Trump goes on). If possible, maybe a Biden-Sanders ticket?

As it stands, the Democrats might win 2018 and 2020 simply by showing up. Trump has a remarkable knack for alienating even parts of his base that are supposed to be loyal (see that West Virginia thread), so there's a lot that could be up in the air in "safe" Republican areas.
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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I honestly would prefer Biden for a 2020 run, so long as his age isn't a showstopper. Not that Sanders doesn't have some good policies -- it's just that Biden strikes me as more electable due to his personality (it's warmer), his experience and his connection to Obama (which is looking increasingly positive the longer Trump goes on). If possible, maybe a Biden-Sanders ticket?

As it stands, the Democrats might win 2018 and 2020 simply by showing up. Trump has a remarkable knack for alienating even parts of his base that are supposed to be loyal (see that West Virginia thread), so there's a lot that could be up in the air even in "safe" Republican areas.

I think a lot of people woke up after that election. I would expect the pendulum to swing back very very fast.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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He is the most popular politician in the country by a WIDE margin. The biggest disaster in recent American history was most likely his loss to Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLNlxEbcQ8Q

Clinton was basically the most popular politician in the country before she got involved in the 2016 election. Viewing popularity outside of an election as evidence of popularity in it is a bad idea.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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All this austerity is gonna bite back in a recession. Hold on to your socks!

What austerity? Trump's policies look to explode the deficit, not reduce it. He is looking to engage in massive fiscal stimulus, just in the least effective way possible.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
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What austerity? Trump's policies look to explode the deficit, not reduce it. He is looking to engage in massive fiscal stimulus, just in the least effective way possible.

yeah i guess you are right. I wonder what true fiscal conservatives think of all this.
 

bshole

Diamond Member
Mar 12, 2013
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It's relatively easy to be popular when you're not actually responsible for anything.

And to give a message that people respond to. NOBODY had a message that resonated with me like Bernie did. Bernie does not have a history of selling out to corporate interests. He isn't just a rare breed, he may be the last extant example of this.

America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.

A new Fox News poll out this week shows Sanders has a +28 net favorability rating among the US population, dwarfing all other elected politicians on both ends of the political spectrum. And he’s even more popular among the vaunted “independents”, where he is at a mind boggling +41.

This poll is not just an aberration. Look at this Huffington Post chart that has tracked Sanders’ favorability rating over time, ever since he gained national prominence in 2015 when he started running for the Democratic nomination. The more people got to know him, they more they liked him – the exact opposite of what his critics said would happen when he was running against Clinton.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-loves-bernie-sanders-except-democratic-party
 
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Nov 8, 2012
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Yet she still won the popular vote. According to Trump, when he uses the expression "The American People," more than 50% of voters in the November election do not exist..

How many times do we have to tell you fools this?

Popular vote vs. Electoral college is 2 different games. Apples to Oranges. It's like playing a game soccer and saying "Yeah, but if we were playing basketball I would have won". No one gives a shit, because no one was trying to play the popular vote. There would have been different strategies and different outcomes.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
38,198
18,668
146
We may agree, but trump has a hard time coping with it

Some Americans bought what he was selling, not even more than the other candidate.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
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Clinton was basically the most popular politician in the country before she got involved in the 2016 election. Viewing popularity outside of an election as evidence of popularity in it is a bad idea.

Of course Bernie is popular atm. Being out of the game makes that easy. Knowing that, people who might not approve otherwise approve of what he's doing now, which is fading into the sunset.

Bernie for progressives is like the lost cause of the Confederacy for southern racists.

Maybe they'll get over themselves some day rsn. They'd be more resistant to concern trolling.
 
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