Lol! You simply don't get it do you? Do you have any idea why Republicans and "independents" would support Bernie or run pro Bernie commercials? You think it's because they really wanted him to win? You can't be this naïve.
No, what it means is that the DNC had to have her and the mainstream went with it and Trump won. RealClearPolitics had all the polls and potential matchups and sonofagun all the polls for all that time showed Bernie beating Trump with support from the independents which didn't like Trump or Hillary and that's a lot of people. Sorry, but the facts are there.
And yet Bernie placed better against Trump and Hillary lost. Might have Bernie lost? It's possible but not certain. Hillary certainly lost.
And yet Bernie placed better against Trump and Hillary lost. Might have Bernie lost? It's possible but not certain. Hillary certainly lost.
Its also a fact that Bernie lost among Democrats and in open primaries, a fact that you don't seem capable of handling.
You are citing polls when we have actual results, surely you don't believe the polls are more accurate than reality?
It helps to understand statistics for the point here. A better bet doesn't mean you always win. Let's assuming you can imagine Sanders losing, in which case it would make greater sense to regret not going with a more known quantity.
I can imagine Sanders losing... however his campaign answered most of Trump's attacks on Clinton... in a better way than Clinton did.
Trump might've attacked Bernie on trade... and Bernie would've said I voted against those trade deals.
Trump's attacks on Clinton's foreign policy votes... Bernie could've said with credibility that he did not support wars in the M.E.
As for calling him a socialist? Yeah that might've hurt but sill Bernie might've said "Mr. Trump you say you'll protect medicare and Social Security, might I remind you those are two of the most popular government programs in America and by their very nature they are also two of the most socialist... so what was your point?"
but hey maybe Trump would've had enough time to eat away at the 10% on average deficit that he had facing Bernie in hypothetical match-ups like he was able to eat the 3% percent on average deficit he had against Clinton... but given the nature of what the voters seem to want I just seriously doubt it.
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Trump basically turned the election into a referendum on race resentment, and I don't think Sanders has it in him to make some minority take one for the team.
What Bernie would have gotten in the white view he would have lost in the black vote.
Based on what? Every Democratic candidate since Gore has received around 90% of the black vote. I know Clinton beat Sanders something like 2-to-1 among blacks, but I doubt many turned out specifically to support Clinton as much as they turned out to oppose Trump. The white vote is what the Democrats needed anyways, it would have easily stopped the Rust Belt upset.
Mr. Sanders fought Mrs. Clinton to a draw among white voters, exit polls showed. But he was trounced among nonwhites, who cast four in 10 votes. The decisive edge for Mrs. Clinton: She won African-Americans by more than 50 percentage points.
The polls showed Hillary would beat Bernie but Bernie faired better against Trump. The polls reflected reality .
Oh well, maybe you'll do better next time but I'm not holding my breath.
Trump basically turned the election into a referendum on race resentment, and I don't think Sanders has it in him to make some minority take one for the team.
So quit trying to gaslight me about my views Clinton's policies....Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton remains as unpopular as she was on Election Day — even as Trump, whom she outpaced in the popular vote last November, has gotten a modest post-victory bump.
Only 35 percent of voters surveyed in a Suffolk University/USA Today poll this week had a favorable opinion of Clinton, far fewer than the 55 percent who viewed her unfavorably.
HB just told you you're wrong about that and you post a link showing that Clinton was favored over Sanders by Blacks in the democratic primaries. How does that have anything to do with what Blacks would have done in the general? Every minority with an ounce of sense would have voted against Trump and for anybody running against him, even Bozo the Clown. The whole point is that the democrats ran on the wrong message. It may have been a great message for minorities but what about countering the message from the other side, that democrats care about people of color but don't give a shit about people who lack color.The black vote didn't turn out for Clinton like they did for Obama and there would have been even less turning out for Bernie.
http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/
HB just told you you're wrong about that and you post a link showing that Clinton was favored over Sanders by Blacks in the democratic primaries. How does that have anything to do with what Blacks would have done in the general? Every minority with an ounce of sense would have voted against Trump and for anybody running against him, even Bozo the Clown. The whole point is that the democrats ran on the wrong message. It may have been a great message for minorities but what about countering the message from the other side, that democrats care about people of color but don't give a shit about people who lack color.
What color you are or are not is of no importance. All of those colors have lost their democracy to the wealthy. Your democracy is dead. You lost the class war while fighting the war about color. Fucked over white people become ripe pickings for bigots when they are abandoned by the party that used to represent them. It's all about having the right message and democrats have lost their way.
Hillary Clinton 35% approval rating.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/5-political-numbers-to-watch/2017/03/week-politics-numbers-235947
So quit trying to gaslight me about my views Clinton's policies....
Some people care more about economic reality than race...
Republican economic policies don't care about race as much as they care about keeping the wealthy rolling and the half that makes <=30k a year keep on having among the worst chance for being upwardly mobile among first world nations.
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Did you really think to convince people that Blacks wouldn't vote democratic in an election with a democrat running against Trump because they preferred one democrat over another in a primary? I will happily accept the being called nuts if you think that's sane. I can assure you no emotion was involved in blowing that nonsense out of the water. It took only a couple of brain cells.I'm sorry you can't hear what I'm saying over your gut feelings. Let me know when your emotions quiet down.
Now tell me, is your belief that people will have an ounce of sense, your LBD talking or your CBD?
Did you really think to convince people that Blacks wouldn't vote democratic in an election with a democrat running against Trump because they preferred one democrat over another in a primary? I will happily accept the being called nuts if you think that's sane. I can assure you no emotion was involved in blowing that nonsense out of the water. It took only a couple of brain cells.
Dear Madam or Sir, please pick an apple or a peach and then if you would prefer the one you didn't pick to a bowl of shit.
Yes, I guess so. Unlike you I am absolutely convinced that people who prefer apples over peaches will still prefer peaches to a bowl of shit and because of reasons, you don't convince me when you argue they like shit better. The real outcome, of course, is that Clinton lost because her message didn't attract the votes she needed in certain states, Something about her didn't have sufficient appeal and we know what the demographic is that cost her the election, less educated white males. Liberals have a problem with creeping authoritarian egotism that expresses itself as contempt for lower class people of whiteness because they make such an issue of race when they have been warned over and over to focus on the economy. And what, you may ask is wrong with the economy. I think it is that the economy is run by the wealthy to benefit the wealthy and it's killing the country. We are dying because the party that is supposed to represent working people has shacked up with the rich. You are the one who voted emotionally, out of emotional attachment to Clinton. I painfully let go of that when Sanders addressed the real issue and she sort of said well me too I guess. And what was with a democrat supporting the invasion of Iraq may I ask? Was it fear of being seen as soft or weak?Do I think drawing conclusions from polling and actual real outcomes is logical? Yes. You apparently do not, because reasons.
You don't get it. where Trump was using populist rhetoric and then introducing fear of the other, Bernie was accurately saying what economic policies where passing outsized benefits to coporations over the tax payer making about or below the median yearly income in America.As to the rest of your post, you clearly aren't getting it, it was trumps play on economic anxiety with minorities as the scapegoat. Its a play out of the political playbook that's as old as this country and it works.
No, what it means is that the DNC had to have her and the mainstream went with it and Trump won. RealClearPolitics had all the polls and potential matchups and sonofagun all the polls for all that time showed Bernie beating Trump with support from the independents which didn't like Trump or Hillary and that's a lot of people. Sorry, but the facts are there.
Maybe I'll do better next time? I'm not sure what that means. I didn't vote or think Clinton was better for me, I thought she was better for the country. I'm in California the affects of the trump administration will have a minimal affect on me, my state won't have their environment fucked over via less regulations, cars regulations won't be less, and our health care won't be cut either. For the rest of the country though, well better luck next time, I guess.
You picked the loser as your candidate and blame democrats who didn't like her and right wing bigots as the reasons she lost. So what does the mainstream democrat who knew what's best for us do? They emphasized their message to appeal to minority and women voters, people who vote democratic anyway, and failed to message the fact that support for minorities is the result not of their race or color but their abundent representation in class hardest hit by conservative policies. Democrats will just don't want to alienate their major donors with the result that democracy is dead. We are being destroyed by fear of poverty, that somebody will steal our lunch, that the hard working decent in their own minds people will be robbed by the undeserving, by liberals who don't want to work. It is fear that creates the conservative brain defect. With no message of hope to offer those who no longer see a path to the American dream and abandon them to right wing propaganda out of arrogant contempt for their weaknesses, you hand victory to the mass manipulators. That's where democrats fail. You blame the bigots instead of addressing their fears and you do so maybe because you are bigoted similarly just like them, in your case, filled with the arrogance of intellectual superiority.Trump had and has a low approval rating as well so I'm not sure what point you think you are making.
As to the rest of your post, you clearly aren't getting it, it was trumps play on economic anxiety with minorities as the scapegoat. Its a play out of the political playbook that's as old as this country and it works. People are stupid and gullible and almost always willing to blame someone else besides themselves. Its precisely that human nature that trump played on and exactly why Republicans continue to hold power despite years of failed policies.
You live in a fantasy world and your failure to acknowledge that will result in Democrats continued failure relative to the Republicans.
Yes, I guess so. Unlike you I am absolutely convinced that people who prefer apples over peaches will still prefer peaches to a bowl of shit and because of reasons, you don't convince me when you argue they like shit better. The real outcome, of course, is that Clinton lost because her message didn't attract the votes she needed in certain states, Something about her didn't have sufficient appeal and we know what the demographic is that cost her the election, less educated white males. Liberals have a problem with creeping authoritarian egotism that expresses itself as contempt for lower class people of whiteness because they make such an issue of race when they have been warned over and over to focus on the economy. And what, you may ask is wrong with the economy. I think it is that the economy is run by the wealthy to benefit the wealthy and it's killing the country. We are dying because the party that is supposed to represent working people has shacked up with the rich. You are the one who voted emotionally, out of emotional attachment to Clinton. I painfully let go of that when Sanders addressed the real issue and she sort of said well me too I guess. And what was with a democrat supporting the invasion of Iraq may I ask? Was it fear of being seen as soft or weak?
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I don't like my information being sold, not because it's private or because I have something to hide but rather because I should be compensated for it. Like I said, the affects will be minimal for me.