Bernie Sanders Favorability Rating = 61%

[ivwshane]

You picked the loser as your candidate and blame democrats who didn't like her and right wing bigots as the reasons she lost. So what does the mainstream democrat who knew what's best for us do? They emphasized their message to appeal to minority and women voters, people who vote democratic anyway, and failed to message the fact that support for minorities is the result not of their race or color but their abundent representation in class hardest hit by conservative policies. Democrats will just don't want to alienate their major donors with the result that democracy is dead. We are being destroyed by fear of poverty, that somebody will steal our lunch, that the hard working decent in their own minds people will be robbed by the undeserving, by liberals who don't want to work. It is fear that creates the conservative brain defect. With no message of hope to offer those who no longer see a path to the American dream and abandon them to right wing propaganda out of arrogant contempt for their weaknesses, you hand victory to the mass manipulators. That's where democrats fail. You blame the bigots instead of addressing their fears and you do so maybe because you are bigoted similarly just like them, in your case, filled with the arrogance of intellectual superiority.

So we are back to the, "if liberals were nicer to those on the right then they would support more liberals or liberal policies"? Sure. /s


I will say this, I agree that messaging is important in an election and Clinton did not have a good message (or a message at all). To think Bernie's message of negativity (corruption of politics by the millionaire and billionaire class) would have better resonated than trumps "make America great again", despite Bernie's message not even being appealing enough to beat a candidate with no messaging, is quite simply wishful thinking at best and completely ignorant at worst.

 

[ivwshane]

Unless your ISP gets hacked and your identity gets stolen because of it..... then the effects will be life alteringly DEVASTATING for you.

Thanks, I know how to internet. Its also something that's a real possibility now so that's not something new.

 

[bshole]

Thanks, I know how to internet. Its also something that's a real possibility now so that's not something new.

I am a little confused. Are you on the side of the Republicans who just officially ceded our internet privacy to the ISPs? Frankly the line you gave above is EXACTLY what the Republicans in my office are giving me. It ain't a big deal... they were doing it before.

To me it is a very big deal.... just as it will be a big deal when they kill net neutrality in the next few months. I certainly don't want to pay $300+ for internet access just to be spied on my ISP who then sells my data to 3rd parties. I don't want my data stored on the their servers. Lastly I am not sure but part of the language may have been that they cannot be held legally liable for the data they keep about you being hacked.

How in the heck can you believe all this shit won't affect you?

 

[ivwshane]

I am a little confused. Are you on the side of the Republicans who just officially ceded our internet privacy to the ISPs? Frankly the line you gave above is EXACTLY what the Republicans in my office are giving me. It ain't a big deal... they were doing it before.

To me it is a very big deal.... just as it will be a big deal when they kill net neutrality in the next few months. I certainly don't want to pay $300+ for internet access just to be spied on my ISP who then sells my data to 3rd parties. I don't want my data stored on the their servers. Lastly I am not sure but part of the language may have been that they cannot be held legally liable for the data they keep about you being hacked.

How in the heck can you believe all this shit won't affect you?

It is a big deal and its an issue I'm sure my state's politicians will address. Sucks to be you though.

 

[Sean Kyle]

There're all the good & known reasons why this is the case!

 

[bshole]

It is a big deal and its an issue I'm sure my state's politicians will address. Sucks to be you though.

You may be correct, it appears that states are jumping in on this. It is kind of funny, instead of standardizing at a federal level, this may end up with ISPs needing to deal with 50 different sets of privacy rules to accommodate the laws of each states.

And as Connor Dougherty of the New York Times pointed out this week, that means more onerous responsibilities for companies that want you as a customer. It means hiring more lawyers to write privacy policies that meet the state’s expectations. And it means more costs to ensure privacy is protected

That poses an ironic twist for the Trump administration that has lobbied its legislative repeals as a way to decrease the number of business regulations affecting companies today. It begs the question whether standardizing expectations at the federal level doesn’t lessen the cost and the burden of compliance for everyone in the long run.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2017/03/feds-strip-internet-privacy-laws-states-enact/

 

[ivwshane]

You may be correct, it appears that states are jumping in on this. It is kind of funny, instead of standardizing at a federal level, this may end up with ISPs needing to deal with 50 different sets of privacy rules to accommodate the laws of each states.



http://www.triplepundit.com/2017/03/feds-strip-internet-privacy-laws-states-enact/

Again, trump and Republican policies will simply screw over the people that support them more than it will those who don't. Quite frankly, it's hard not to care any less. I can't help people who don't want to help themselves.

 

[bradly1101]

I agree we need new YOUNG blood.

Gavin Newsom?

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[Moonbeam]

Again, trump and Republican policies will simply screw over the people that support them more than it will those who don't. Quite frankly, it's hard not to care any less. I can't help people who don't want to help themselves.

That says it all right there. Your self importance is offended by the fact that you have no idea how to convince people who don't want to help themselves help themselves. Your ego is offended by their lack of interest in what you have to offer and it's quite obvious that the reason for that is that you are spiritually and emotionally empty. You can't handle the fact of your own emptiness much less be held responsible for theirs. You try to pour from the empty into the void and are finding the experience frustrating. You are full of opinions and can't deal with the fact they are worthless to other people, a kind of emotional immaturity. "I wanted to help you but you refused so fuck you." You didn't want to help. You don't know how to help. You just wanted to feel important because you aren't important to yourself. You should have listened when the Beatles told you you're a Super Star, cause right they were and it went right over your head. That can happen when you keep it in dark places. You just need Foghorn Leghorn to slap you around a bit. You can still make it if you stand up straight and stop cackling like a hen.

 

[Younigue]

That says it all right there. Your self importance is offended by the fact that you have no idea how to convince people who don't want to help themselves help themselves. Your ego is offended by their lack of interest in what you have to offer and it's quite obvious that the reason for that is that you are spiritually and emotionally empty. You can't handle the fact of your own emptiness much less be held responsible for theirs. You try to pour from the empty into the void and are finding the experience frustrating. You are full of opinions and can't deal with the fact they are worthless to other people, a kind of emotional immaturity. "I wanted to help you but you refused so fuck you." You didn't want to help. You don't know how to help. You just wanted to feel important because you aren't important to yourself. You should have listened when the Beatles told you you're a Super Star, cause right they were and it went right over your head. That can happen when you keep it in dark places. You just need Foghorn Leghorn to slap you around a bit. You can still make it if you stand up straight and stop cackling like a hen.

Deep.

Saying something and nothing all at the same time. Were you trying to be helpful? Tell me, did you offer any solutions?

Shout out to Foghorn Leghorn was admirable though. I'll give you points for that.

 

[Jaskalas]

So we are back to the, "if liberals were nicer to those on the right then they would support more liberals or liberal policies"? Sure. /s

MAGA drew out extra voters in specific areas not because it was the established Republican platform. GOP hated Trump and his policy.
Victory in the future... a true victory.... is not just about sticking to the corporate center. Wall Street is not a path you want.
Just look at Trump's populist appeal... it's all written out for you there, how to reach out to those voters.

There are still many people who do not adhere to the left / right divide and will simply vote in their own interests.
Call out to those interests, vow for and campaign on setting economic fire to the status quo, as MAGA promised.
As I've been saying, there's a growing segment of desperate people who want fresh policy that helps them.

This is not simply about doing what is comfortable, or what is easy. It can also be about doing what people believe in.
By being bold, brash, and obnoxious as to form an emotional connection. That, yes we can. That change is coming and it can help them.
Obama made that connection. It's a wonder why his appeal was dismissed for mediocrity. One step forward, two steps back.

Let's learn from the mistakes of aiming low, and instead aim high.
JFK didn't fund NASA by promising us low earth orbit. He promised us the moon, and the nation delivered.

 

[ivwshane]

That says it all right there. Your self importance is offended by the fact that you have no idea how to convince people who don't want to help themselves help themselves. Your ego is offended by their lack of interest in what you have to offer and it's quite obvious that the reason for that is that you are spiritually and emotionally empty. You can't handle the fact of your own emptiness much less be held responsible for theirs. You try to pour from the empty into the void and are finding the experience frustrating. You are full of opinions and can't deal with the fact they are worthless to other people, a kind of emotional immaturity. "I wanted to help you but you refused so fuck you." You didn't want to help. You don't know how to help. You just wanted to feel important because you aren't important to yourself. You should have listened when the Beatles told you you're a Super Star, cause right they were and it went right over your head. That can happen when you keep it in dark places. You just need Foghorn Leghorn to slap you around a bit. You can still make it if you stand up straight and stop cackling like a hen.

All true. I am helpless to help those that need it most. Your solution?

 

[Moonbeam]

Younigue, post: Deep.

M: That reminds me of the time I took a piss of the Golden Gate Bridge with a Texas conservative visiting family member and he commented on how cold the bay is. Cold but not very deep, I told him. To know something is deep, requires a capacity to measure. Just saying.......

Y: Saying something and nothing all at the same time. Were you trying to be helpful?

M: Did you notice that from his response that on the surface said nothing, I was able to see everything or so I claimed? Again, what people can tell you from their words is dependent of who is listening.

Y: Tell me, did you offer any solutions?

M: My advise was directed toward self understanding. My point is that in order to help people you have to be free of the need to do so and free of the assumption that you know how to. If you can achieve your own salvation you might then know what to do to others. A need to help others is a cry for help, that one has yet to free ones own self of ego. I am working, not to define what truth is but rather remove the assumptions that we already know what it is.

Y: Shout out to Foghorn Leghorn was admirable though. I'll give you points for that.

M: Yes I was quite pleased with that. I had no idea as a child I would grow up to be a Druid with flight form.

 

[Moonbeam]

All true. I am helpless to help those that need it most. Your solution?

There is only one person in the world I can help and that's me. If I ever figure out how to do that I will let you know. In the mean time I try to keep in mind that I don't have any answers and that is because I've been conditioned in ways I cannot see but recognize must be present. Where we may differ to some small degree is that I died to all hope that I could save anybody or that it was my job to do so unqualified as I am. I know nothing and you may be uncomfortable seeing you're just like me. What I have seen is that I was driven to save people because of assumptions that were false, assumptions I abandoned that was like surrendering to death. I discovered that my deepest fear was meaningless, that there is only love. That is the thing that can't be taken when everything that can be taken evaporates. That which some call God or the true self waits for us at the core of our being. For me this is fact and not theory and its the same for all the stupid sleepwalkers bumbling around us. We fear love because we were psychically murdered when we had it. "Nevermore, quoth the raven. Never again will I be caught out necked." I just didn't have that option for reasons that I really don't understand. I blame it on my Mother. She told her fool son to be honest and he thought she meant it.

 

[Younigue]

Younigue, post: Deep.

M: That reminds me of the time I took a piss of the Golden Gate Bridge with a Texas conservative visiting family member and he commented on how cold the bay is. Cold but not very deep, I told him. To know something is deep, requires a capacity to measure. Just saying.......

Y: Saying something and nothing all at the same time. Were you trying to be helpful?

M: Did you notice that from his response that on the surface said nothing, I was able to see everything or so I claimed? Again, what people can tell you from their words is dependent of who is listening.

Y: Tell me, did you offer any solutions?

M: My advise was directed toward self understanding. My point is that in order to help people you have to be free of the need to do so and free of the assumption that you know how to. If you can achieve your own salvation you might then know what to do to others. A need to help others is a cry for help, that one has yet to free ones own self of ego. I am working, not to define what truth is but rather remove the assumptions that we already know what it is.

Y: Shout out to Foghorn Leghorn was admirable though. I'll give you points for that.

M: Yes I was quite pleased with that. I had no idea as a child I would grow up to be a Druid with flight form.

I was not measuring you. Your words were pretty but only deep or useful to some and then only if they are ready to hear them. You were getting your wax poetical on. But the truth is... To each his/her own. Everyone's journey is unique to them.

To be helpful is indeed something a person can do with intention but it can happen unintentionally just as easily. In part I know who I want to be because I know it's nothing my dad is. I disagree that we don't already know what it is. I think fundamentally the majority of us do know how to be good and decent. I agree that self-understanding is a journey worth taking but that journey rarely leads to a place a full detachment in order to be your best self. To be your best self is an endless education that can not be achieved in a lifetime. Ego always remains but working around it, with it or against it in order to achieve empathy and generosity of spirit becomes a reward, not a punishment or regret.

I'm probably blathering on but it makes sense in my head. The real truth imo is that we can be helpful regardless of intent or desire. It's just not something that should be judged. Kinda feel like I'm stopping mid-thought here but I'm done typing now.

 

[Moonbeam]

I was not measuring you. Your words were pretty but only deep or useful to some and then only if they are ready to hear them. You were getting your wax poetical on. But the truth is... To each his/her own. Everyone's journey is unique to them.

To be helpful is indeed something a person can do with intention but it can happen unintentionally just as easily. In part I know who I want to be because I know it's nothing my dad is. I disagree that we don't already know what it is. I think fundamentally the majority of us do know how to be good and decent. I agree that self-understanding is a journey worth taking but that journey rarely leads to a place a full detachment in order to be your best self. To be your best self is an endless education that can not be achieved in a lifetime. Ego always remains but working around it, with it or against it in order to achieve empathy and generosity of spirit becomes a reward, not a punishment or regret.

I'm probably blathering on but it makes sense in my head. The real truth imo is that we can be helpful regardless of intent or desire. It's just not something that should be judged. Kinda feel like I'm stopping mid-thought here but I'm done typing now.

I feel that what you may be trying to express is that life has meaning, that you don't want to feel you can't help or that others can't help you, that you want to support and affirm that the light is good and that everything isn't ego. What I am trying to say is that I tried that and utterly failed, that all my hopes and dreams were just assumptions that blew away under merciless analysis. I needed proof so that I could share the good with others, that I could have meaning in my life. I went searching for something for my head and when I died to that I discovered that it had always been there calling to me across my divided self. Surrender is fearless being and being is love without need. What you might call deep I simply call real. Be and you will be a lamp in the darkness.

 

[Younigue]

I feel that what you may be trying to express is that life has meaning, that you don't want to feel you can't help or that others can't help you, that you want to support and affirm that the light is good and that everything isn't ego. What I am trying to say is that I tried that and utterly failed, that all my hopes and dreams were just assumptions that blew away under merciless analysis. I needed proof so that I could share the good with others, that I could have meaning in my life. I went searching for something for my head and when I died to that I discovered that it had always been there calling to me across my divided self. Surrender is fearless being and being is love without need. What you might call deep I simply call real. Be and you will be a lamp in the darkness.

There may be some similarities in the ways we think but your way of articulating it seems dark or cynical. I absolutely observe the light and feel little for the darkness, drawbacks, failures, difficult nearly impossible times.I have no regrets nor do I imagine a different life for myself. There is contentment and peace in it but not perfection because that does not exist and I accept that because perfection would be so boring. I do help others, in my way. I am helped by others, by observing, embracing and implementing what I have learned.

Because of every inch of my experiences I get to be me. Because of my experiences and not in spite of then I discovered how to love myself, accept myself, forgive myself and trust myself. I love being me. That's a big help only I can provide in the world.

Again, blathering on but I feel I got there somehow at some point in my meandering.

 

[Moonbeam]

There may be some similarities in the ways we think but your way of articulating it seems dark or cynical. I absolutely observe the light and feel little for the darkness, drawbacks, failures, difficult nearly impossible times.I have no regrets nor do I imagine a different life for myself. There is contentment and peace in it but not perfection because that does not exist and I accept that because perfection would be so boring. I do help others, in my way. I am helped by others, by observing, embracing and implementing what I have learned.

Because of every inch of my experiences I get to be me. Because of my experiences and not in spite of then I discovered how to love myself, accept myself, forgive myself and trust myself. I love being me. That's a big help only I can provide in the world.

Again, blathering on but I feel I got there somehow at some point in my meandering.

Dark and cynical indeed. That is my point What I know is that I was driven to defeat the dark and the cynical and they defeated me. The dark and the cynical I feared was in me the fear created by unexamined assumptions, You say contentment and peace because you don't believe in perfection but I do. The kingdom of heaven is within you. You are and have always been perfect. There is nothing to improve on, nothing to become, nothing to do. Perfection is undivided being, your original conscious state, the reason why you believe the good is real. I no longer believe in that live is good. I know it is. I tasted of that well. The price was all that I held sacred as belief. I looked everywhere for where I had always been standing. When you stop you're there. Thought is time and fear, names and feelings attached to past events. The facts of your past and my past may differ, but the journey is always the same. It isn't a trip to a place but a time, the now. You are only real in the now and your being has never been anywhere else.

I have no problem with the the beautiful picture you seek to paint. I couldn't paint so I made my canvas a mirror by washing and scrubbing it clean. The dirt was truly horrible, in my case.

 

[Younigue]

Dark and cynical indeed. That is my point What I know is that I was driven to defeat the dark and the cynical and they defeated me. The dark and the cynical I feared was in me the fear created by unexamined assumptions, You say contentment and peace because you don't believe in perfection but I do. The kingdom of heaven is within you. You are and have always been perfect. There is nothing to improve on, nothing to become, nothing to do. Perfection is undivided being, your original conscious state, the reason why you believe the good is real. I no longer believe in that live is good. I know it is. I tasted of that well. The price was all that I held sacred as belief. I looked everywhere for where I had always been standing. When you stop you're there. Thought is time and fear, names and feelings attached to past events. The facts of your past and my past may differ, but the journey is always the same. It isn't a trip to a place but a time, the now. You are only real in the now and your being has never been anywhere else.

I have no problem with the the beautiful picture you seek to paint. I couldn't paint so I made my canvas a mirror by washing and scrubbing it clean. The dirt was truly horrible, in my case.

Again our beliefs are similar. Though I don't believe in perfection I do believe in always striving to be one's best self and as long as one is living in this way they are in the "now" living as close to it as we are ever meant to be.

You refer to defeat and surrendering (succumbing) to it. I do not see that any of my experiences have defeated me and they have been dark, and seemingly insurmountable. None of it was stronger than me. None of it insidious enough to steal my trust and faith in myself. I don't fear giving in to it ever. The journey is no where near the horror story people fear but it is difficult and scary. Perfection is not the result, acceptance is. Learning to love yourself for real, not by force of will. There is peace in it rather than resignation. I have never had to give up anything and I say that even though I have given up many self inflicted lies I or society has told me. Those things that did not serve me were not losses or anything to be conquered or endured they were only things to let go of. I do not paint a pretty picture to admire. It was there all along. Darkness and cynicism would be thieves and I give them no power or strength or energy. All of those things belongs to me and I am not dark or cynical.

As for scrubbing the mirror clean, that isn't necessary. The mirror was never dirty, your mind and thoughts were and they tainted your reflection. If you care to see it in light, you'll see an even better you... IMO. Again, I love who I see in the mirror and her journey rarely reflects any of mine because I let it go and harbor no regrets.

 

[agent00f]

Hillary Clinton 35% approval rating.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/5-political-numbers-to-watch/2017/03/week-politics-numbers-235947

So quit trying to gaslight me about my views Clinton's policies....

Clinton had sanders level ratings before the campaign.

Some people care more about economic reality than race...

Republican economic policies don't care about race as much as they care about keeping the wealthy rolling and the half that makes <=30k a year keep on having among the worst chance for being upwardly mobile among first world nations.


___________

That's not what actual surveys say about trump/conservative voters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-two-new-studies-find/?utm_term=.474dd91e347d. Race resentment is the best predictor of party affiliation, other than maybe race itself.

 

[agent00f]

There is only one person in the world I can help and that's me. If I ever figure out how to do that I will let you know. In the mean time I try to keep in mind that I don't have any answers and that is because I've been conditioned in ways I cannot see but recognize must be present. Where we may differ to some small degree is that I died to all hope that I could save anybody or that it was my job to do so unqualified as I am. I know nothing and you may be uncomfortable seeing you're just like me. What I have seen is that I was driven to save people because of assumptions that were false, assumptions I abandoned that was like surrendering to death. I discovered that my deepest fear was meaningless, that there is only love. That is the thing that can't be taken when everything that can be taken evaporates. That which some call God or the true self waits for us at the core of our being. For me this is fact and not theory and its the same for all the stupid sleepwalkers bumbling around us. We fear love because we were psychically murdered when we had it. "Nevermore, quoth the raven. Never again will I be caught out necked." I just didn't have that option for reasons that I really don't understand. I blame it on my Mother. She told her fool son to be honest and he thought she meant it.

How's jesus been working out for the christian right?

 

[Jaskalas]

Clinton had sanders level ratings before the campaign.

But lacked the emotional appeal of reaching for the moon.

 

[chucky2]

snip despite Bernie's message not even being appealing enough to beat a candidate with no messaging, is quite simply wishful thinking at best and completely ignorant at worst.

You are wrong here. Bernie's message wasn't necessarily what people who were center/right of center liked about Bernie, it was Bernie's authenticity - the exact opposite of Billary (large %'s of her own party didn't/don't trust her, and to the non-Dem lemming, her act is an obvious fake...unlike her husband who at least has some natural charisma, i.e. she just can't pull off the BS act like her husband could/can). If Bernie would have won the Dem nomination, or, if Bernie would have ran as an Ind, I would have went from no question voting for Trump over Billary to having an exceedingly hard time deciding between Bernie or Trump...and I agree with Bernie on almost nothing. But I at least know he's genuine (well, as much as a Politician can be).

 

[Moonbeam]

You are wrong here. Bernie's message wasn't necessarily what people who were center/right of center liked about Bernie, it was Bernie's authenticity - the exact opposite of Billary (large %'s of her own party didn't/don't trust her, and to the non-Dem lemming, her act is an obvious fake...unlike her husband who at least has some natural charisma, i.e. she just can't pull off the BS act like her husband could/can). If Bernie would have won the Dem nomination, or, if Bernie would have ran as an Ind, I would have went from no question voting for Trump over Billary to having an exceedingly hard time deciding between Bernie or Trump...and I agree with Bernie on almost nothing. But I at least know he's genuine (well, as much as a Politician can be).

I think a big problem for democrats is that from their perspective anyway, they had to pick between two decent candidates with others in the wings, while Republicans had a pack of worthless candidates with one outlier freak. I can appreciate how an appreciation of authenticity would lead you to such a dilemma,

 

[agent00f]

But lacked the emotional appeal of reaching for the moon.

If you click on the link in that post you can find out what motivates trump types.