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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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How many times do we have to tell you fools this?

Popular vote vs. Electoral college is 2 different games. Apples to Oranges. It's like playing a game soccer and saying "Yeah, but if we were playing basketball I would have won". No one gives a shit, because no one was trying to play the popular vote. There would have been different strategies and different outcomes.

So what? The Trump Presidency lacks legitimacy in the eyes of the majority. You know, all the people who didn't vote for him. So we get a radical & dangerous agenda imposed by the minority candidate who forges ahead as if he had a strong mandate. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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How many times do we have to tell you fools this?

Popular vote vs. Electoral college is 2 different games. Apples to Oranges. It's like playing a game soccer and saying "Yeah, but if we were playing basketball I would have won". No one gives a shit, because no one was trying to play the popular vote. There would have been different strategies and different outcomes.

I don't think you understand what's going on. When someone says "the people" they aren't talking about the electoral college. The will of the people is not the same as an electoral victory.
 
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umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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How many times do we have to tell you fools this?

Popular vote vs. Electoral college is 2 different games. Apples to Oranges. It's like playing a game soccer and saying "Yeah, but if we were playing basketball I would have won". No one gives a shit, because no one was trying to play the popular vote. There would have been different strategies and different outcomes.
No shit, right? I mean why should Republican candidates pander to millions and millions of West coast voters when they can convince 50,000 voters in a red state whose voice counts just as much. Simple math...
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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How many times do we have to tell you fools this?

Popular vote vs. Electoral college is 2 different games. Apples to Oranges. It's like playing a game soccer and saying "Yeah, but if we were playing basketball I would have won". No one gives a shit, because no one was trying to play the popular vote. There would have been different strategies and different outcomes.

And how many times do we need to tell you that pursuing a different strategy was unlikely to change the outcome that much?
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Well it certainly seems that the Democrats had two options for President and picked the one with the least chance of winning for reasons and still can't come to grips with that fact. But to me this was entirely predictable and in perfect keeping with the liberal brain defect. They are unable to understand which way the wind is blowing because they use logic and reason and politics is all about touch and feeling. They can't craft a message that appeals to what people are feeling because they are out of touch with what they feel. Feeling are so irrational and messy. So they pick the logical candidate and lose and they do it fucking consistently.

And when you look at the brain defects on the other side, you can pretty much see how hopeless it is to tell them anything.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Well it certainly seems that the Democrats had two options for President and picked the one with the least chance of winning for reasons and still can't come to grips with that fact. But to me this was entirely predictable and in perfect keeping with the liberal brain defect. They are unable to understand which way the wind is blowing because they use logic and reason and politics is all about touch and feeling. They can't craft a message that appeals to what people are feeling because they are out of touch with what they feel. Feeling are so irrational and messy. So they pick the logical candidate and lose and they do it fucking consistently.

And when you look at the brain defects on the other side, you can pretty much see how hopeless it is to tell them anything.

The Left had so much promise but it sold its birthright for a bowl of lentils. It does not recognize its roots and attacks it when confronted with its honorable past. Principle is outdated and morality quaint. It would rather pick the beneficiary of corporatism even though all signs showed that she was least favored against Trump, and then it became everyone's fault but theirs for lack of foresight.

The Fight was a good dream while it lasted. Now it's a sporting event with favorite teams.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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The Left had so much promise but it sold its birthright for a bowl of lentils. It does not recognize its roots and attacks it when confronted with its honorable past. Principle is outdated and morality quaint. It would rather pick the beneficiary of corporatism even though all signs showed that she was least favored against Trump, and then it became everyone's fault but theirs for lack of foresight.

The Fight was a good dream while it lasted. Now it's a sporting event with favorite teams.

Woosh!
 

1prophet

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Aug 17, 2005
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I believe George Bush's popularity is up as well. Who the fuck cares?

You guys keep putting your faith into politicians you like instead of politicians who get things done or have comprehensive plans to address complex issues. Its why we are in the mess that we are in. It could have been much worse, luckily Obama was not only popular but also competent.

A lot of complex issues were addressed in the 50's, 60's, and 70's by the Democrat party during a time that the country was whiter, more openly racist and bigoted, as well as ignorant by today's standards because the Democrat party took care of the Middle Class and in turn they gave them the votes and backing to make the profound changes back then that gave us the relatively comfortable life we have today,

the moment they started abandoning the working class so they could eat at the corporate pig trough like republicans is when the real problems for their party began and they have become what you have today, Republican-Lite.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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A lot of complex issues were addressed in the 50's, 60's, and 70's by the Democrat party during a time that the country was whiter, more openly racist and bigoted, as well as ignorant by today's standards because the Democrat party took care of the Middle Class and in turn they gave them the votes and backing to make the profound changes back then that gave us the relatively comfortable life we have today,

the moment they started abandoning the working class so they could eat at the corporate pig trough like republicans is when the real problems for their party began and they have become what you have today, Republican-Lite.

You get the government you deserve.
 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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You get the government you deserve.

I have four comments about I would like to throw out here:

The first is that when I say, "You get the government you deserve", I usually mean by 'you', everybody but me.

The second is that if it is really true that we, including you and me, get what we deserve, what about you deserves Trump.

My third point would be, based again on my criticisms of conservative and liberal brain defects, is that they are both connected to the fact that people do not know what they feel.

So my fourth point has to be that since I personally attribute to both liberals and conservatives alike an unconsciousness motivated by the denial of feeling, how can the emotionally unaware of their condition and in a mechanical state of denial regarding this be deserving of anything.

In short, how can you blame people who are asleep for being asleep? Is not life rather a titanic farce of marching dreamers.

Doesn't the need to blame others arise out of the absence of the joy of being, our proper conscious state?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Doesn't the need to blame others arise out of the absence of the joy of being, our proper conscious state?
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Blame tends to be an emotional defensive response which negates any need for introspection. Since "They" are responsible "We" are innocent, and more than that, righteous.

Understanding and accountability based on facts properly arrived at? Yes, but that carries the possibility "we" might be somehow partially responsible and Andy "By God" Jackson, we cannot have that.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I have four comments about I would like to throw out here:

The first is that when I say, "You get the government you deserve", I usually mean by 'you', everybody but me.

The second is that if it is really true that we, including you and me, get what we deserve, what about you deserves Trump.

My third point would be, based again on my criticisms of conservative and liberal brain defects, is that they are both connected to the fact that people do not know what they feel.

So my fourth point has to be that since I personally attribute to both liberals and conservatives alike an unconsciousness motivated by the denial of feeling, how can the emotionally unaware of their condition and in a mechanical state of denial regarding this be deserving of anything.

In short, how can you blame people who are asleep for being asleep? Is not life rather a titanic farce of marching dreamers.

Doesn't the need to blame others arise out of the absence of the joy of being, our proper conscious state?

Your point, which I agree with and which haybausa missed, was that the liberal brain thinks one way (logically, rationally) and the conservative brain thinks with their emotions.

What hayabusa and the other poster illustrated was exactly what you just got done describing. Their comments are based on feelings and not facts.

We get the government we deserve because a majority of Americans (more specifically, more Americans where it counted) voted based on their feelings and not facts. Clinton lost not because she was corrupt or a lying liar but because she was unable to appeal to those who make decisions based on their feelings.

The left gets blame for being unable to effectively communicate with a person who has the CBD and for not doing what is necessary to ensure logic and rationality win.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Your point, which I agree with and which haybausa missed, was that the liberal brain thinks one way (logically, rationally) and the conservative brain thinks with their emotions.

What hayabusa and the other poster illustrated was exactly what you just got done describing. Their comments are based on feelings and not facts.

We get the government we deserve because a majority of Americans (more specifically, more Americans where it counted) voted based on their feelings and not facts. Clinton lost not because she was corrupt or a lying liar but because she was unable to appeal to those who make decisions based on their feelings.

The left gets blame for being unable to effectively communicate with a person who has the CBD and for not doing what is necessary to ensure logic and rationality win.

The complete person is a synthesis of emotion and rationality. They master themselves and reconcile their dual natures. Once the "liberal brain" saw the plight of others and worked for the common good. These are heavily emotionally invested things. Emotion provides motive for rational acts. The logical mind says "I am and I wish to continue. What benefits me is more important than benefits others. Anything that stands in my way is irrelevant, or "bad". Cold rational unfeeling logic. Yet while some pretend to be "rational" they justify their lack of foresight by assuming their superior nature but fail because they cannot see or feel empathy with others, especially those they see as unworthy. Hard as granite and likely to break under too much pressure.

The logical, unfeeling mind seeks control over others because they have no mastery over themselves.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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The complete person is a synthesis of emotion and rationality. They master themselves and reconcile their dual natures. Once the "liberal brain" saw the plight of others and worked for the common good. These are heavily emotionally invested things. Emotion provides motive for rational acts. The logical mind says "I am and I wish to continue. What benefits me is more important than benefits others. Anything that stands in my way is irrelevant, or "bad". Cold rational unfeeling logic. Yet while some pretend to be "rational" they justify their lack of foresight by assuming their superior nature but fail because they cannot see or feel empathy with others, especially those they see as unworthy. Hard as granite and likely to break under too much pressure.

The logical, unfeeling mind seeks control over others because they have no mastery over themselves.
Well all I can say is that in the worthless opinion of this nobody, me, your words can only have come from a place of deep and profound wisdom, the likes of which I am so honored to be in the presence of. This is a remarkable post in my opinion.
 
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Moonbeam

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Let me add that I think what you are saying here is depicted in a ancient teaching story from the East that has become a popular puzzle offered here in the West, but here bereft of it's psychological implications. There was a teacher of dance who arrived here from the East sometime back who said, I consider him a man only who can care for both the wolf and the sheep entrusted to his keeping, and I believe he refers to the puzzle of the man who has to cross a river and with a cabbage a wolf and a sheep which he can cross with only one at a time. The solution, similar in my opinion to the self realization implied as necessary in your post, is symbolized by the third way out of the box inspirational, extra work and effort, that is required to solve the puzzle, that arrives as inspired realization.
 

DaveSimmons

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As already mentioned, it's easier to be popular when you're not being challenged to actually accomplish anything. Your pie in the sky remains unburned by the harsh light of reality.

I'm fiscally conservative (unlike both parties) and socially moderate-to-somewhat-liberal (unlike both parties).

Sanders was far too crazy-left to get my vote. Clinton was "status quo" but I expected her to nudge the country a little bit more towards the 21st century without being an extremist like Sanders.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Let me add that I think what you are saying here is depicted in a ancient teaching story from the East that has become a popular puzzle offered here in the West, but here bereft of it's psychological implications. There was a teacher of dance who arrived here from the East sometime back who said, I consider him a man only who can care for both the wolf and the sheep entrusted to his keeping, and I believe he refers to the puzzle of the man who has to cross a river and with a cabbage a wolf and a sheep which he can cross with only one at a time. The solution, similar in my opinion to the self realization implied as necessary in your post, is symbolized by the third way out of the box inspirational, extra work and effort, that is required to solve the puzzle, that arrives as inspired realization.

I like this formulation of yours.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Of course Bernie is popular atm. Being out of the game makes that easy. Knowing that, people who might not approve otherwise approve of what he's doing now, which is fading into the sunset.

Isn't HRC out of the game? How is her popularity doing? Sanders is a US Senator. Not terribly powerful, but not out of the game either.

I see his popularity owing more to the things he is talking about than riding into the sunset. Talking to voters in WV about health care is hardly riding into the sunset.

Bernie for progressives is like the lost cause of the Confederacy for southern racists.

Maybe they'll get over themselves some day rsn. They'd be more resistant to concern trolling.

I'm not aware of any Southern racists with a 61% approval rating. You're trying to marginalize Sanders as a wingnut, but he has far broader appeal than either Trump or HRC.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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...but because she was unable to appeal to those who make decisions based on their feelings.

This should inform you to press for a party that goes big, who favors inspirational candidates that want to take action.
In fact, for this regard, Sanders is just a stepping stone to a greater policy that is sorely needed.
To tell people it cannot be done, that we must be measured and dull... is going to drive off a segment of the population.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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What, specifically, about the Sanders platform was crazy?


Safe to talk now?

Bernie's platform wasn't thought through in terms of political resistance or practicality however that was not its value. What it did was demonstrate an awareness of issues that concern Americans which are widely dismissed or given lip service by the Big Two.

Bernie wasn't the end to problems, but a step towards their recognition and perhaps some solutions to the problems even if by means other than he might suggest. Leading a fight without victory is no shame nor defeat if it encourages other to take up the baton and move forward, and that by no means Bernie would have no positive results, indeed there might have some compromise forced by citizens tired of partisan fights. Who knows what might have been, but here we are.
 

DaveSimmons

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ivwshane

Lifer
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Well all I can say is that in the worthless opinion of this nobody, me, your words can only have come from a place of deep and profound wisdom, the likes of which I am so honored to be in the presence of. This is a remarkable post in my opinion.

You may think it's a profound post but it didn't have shit to do with what was said. Unless he's saying lefties are no longer the compassionate party, which is pure bullshit.
 
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