Bernie Sanders Favorability Rating = 61%

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Blackjack200

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She was a great candidate in terms of policy competence and working with people to find middle ground.

LMAO what a tepid endorsement. Who gives a shit about "policy competence" if the policies are bad? I don't want someone that can "find the middle ground" between right wing lunacy and corporate liberalism, that's how you get a kludge like the ACA.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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LMAO what a tepid endorsement. Who gives a shit about "policy competence" if the policies are bad? I don't want someone that can "find the middle ground" between right wing lunacy and corporate liberalism, that's how you get a kludge like the ACA.

Her policies (at the big picture level, you know, where you are able to grasp) were the same as Bernie's you ignorant twat.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Her policies (at the big picture level, you know, where you are able to grasp) were the same as Bernie's you ignorant twat.

Yeah, I've heard that talking point before. Two thoughts on that:

1. No they weren't. Universal Single Payer health care is not the same as the ACA no matter how big picture you get.
2. Sanders had a lot of shitty ideas too.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Yeah, I've heard that talking point before. Two thoughts on that:

1. No they weren't. Universal Single Payer health care is not the same as the ACA no matter how big picture you get.
2. Sanders had a lot of shitty ideas too.

Lol. You clearly aren't familiar with her policies. She supports universal single payer but unlike Sanders, she realizes that there is no path to that. So again, big picture ideas, they agree on, the nitty gritty details is where she excelled and Sanders failed.

All politicians have shitty ideas, if they didn't we'd all be presidents of our own country.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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She was a great candidate in terms of policy competence and working with people to find middle ground.

A singular campaign message of Trump = bad does not, a great candidate, make.
And that cherished middle ground is called Wall Street.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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A singular campaign message of Trump = bad does not, a great candidate, make.
And that cherished middle ground is called Wall Street.

I absolutely agree and I said as much before the election.

I'll repeat what I said then; Bernie has the message and Hillary has the policies.

Your second point is just meaningless bullshit.
 

HTFOff

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A singular campaign message of Trump = bad does not, a great candidate, make.
And that cherished middle ground is called Wall Street.

Yeah but Trump called Ms Venezuela fat, or something.

HES LITERALLY HITLER ALMOST

It still bottles the mind (like when you're thoughts are trapped in a bottle?) she was schlepping ms venezuela out during the final days of the campaign.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Link? Hillary has no path to USP because she gets paid too much by the industry. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/10/14/hillary-takes-millions-in-campaign-cash-from-enemies

It's increasingly obvious that USP is the only viable system, so there's a path to it.

Yes, USP, is the way to get there but Bernie did not have a path and Clinton's plan gets us closer.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

You continue to spout Republican talking points, do you like being a tool for the right?
 
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Blackjack200

Lifer
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Yes, USP, is the way to get there but Bernie did not have a path and Clinton's plan for us closer.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

You continue to spout Republican talking points, do you like being a tool for the right?

Universal Single Payer is a Republican talking point. Oookay...

You contradicted yourself from your earlier post that Sanders and Clinton were widely similar. Now, they're not similar, but Clinton is pragmatic while Sanders's policies are "good" but not viable. Turns out the "viable" way involves protecting an industry that gives her huge campaign contributions. Weird how that works out.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Universal Single Payer is a Republican talking point. Oookay...

You contradicted yourself from your earlier post that Sanders and Clinton were widely similar. Now, they're not similar, but Clinton is pragmatic while Sanders's policies are "good" but not viable. Turns out the "viable" way involves protecting an industry that gives her huge campaign contributions. Weird how that works out.

Lol! Stay stupid tool.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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WTF dude, do you really think she was that great? Forget Bernie, Trump, Putin and the rest. Hillary Clinton in a vacuum. Was she a good candidate?



Yeah, no kidding.

Running away from your own words? Just here to tear down Hilary & the dirty Democrats?

Apparently so.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Running away from your own words? Just here to tear down Hilary & the dirty Democrats?

Apparently so.

Even more ironic was that he wasn't even aware he was repeating Republican talking points nor was he even able to identify what I was referring to.


"yeah no kidding"
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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So you're just going with "Crooked Hillary", right?

Where have I heard that before?

You're right. Hillary was a great candidate, ran a great campaign, her policies are the same as Sanders's were, except more practical. Any criticism of her is just repeating Republican talking points. The fact that she was hugely unpopular was just because people couldn't see through the Republican lies.

I have soccer soon. Good night.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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You're right. Hillary was a great candidate, ran a great campaign, her policies are the same as Sanders's were, except more practical. Any criticism of her is just repeating Republican talking points. The fact that she was hugely unpopular was just because people couldn't see through the Republican lies.

I have soccer soon. Good night.

Ah, I see, you've got straw where your brain is supposed to be.

Go on, go play with your balls.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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You're right. Hillary was a great candidate, ran a great campaign, her policies are the same as Sanders's were, except more practical. Any criticism of her is just repeating Republican talking points. The fact that she was hugely unpopular was just because people couldn't see through the Republican lies.

I have soccer soon. Good night.

She was doing fine until buried under a tsunami of slime about Benghazi, her emails, DNC emails, Podesta emails, Wall St, the Clinton Foundation, a fainting spell, Poor Bernie! So cheated! & all the other FUD heaped upon her from Bill's affairs to fucking Pizzagate.

You've repeated most of the memes flung against her while ignoring what Sanders said about it entirely. He endorsed her & called on his supporters to vote for her but they were too involved in propagandized outrage to listen.
 

agent00f

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Yeah but Trump called Ms Venezuela fat, or something.

HES LITERALLY HITLER ALMOST

It still bottles the mind (like when you're thoughts are trapped in a bottle?) she was schlepping ms venezuela out during the final days of the campaign.

Typical conservative who loves racial epithets like Ms housekeeping for hispanic women. Keep carrying that water for white nationalists, really helps prove the point what your sort are about.
 

brandonbull

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Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign ran television advertisements more "devoid of policy discussions" than any presidential candidate since at least the year 2000, according to a new study published Monday.

The study, conducted by the Wesleyan Media Project, examined political advertising during the 2016 election. Among other conclusions, it found that only 25 percent of Clinton's ads focused on policy, while over 60 percent were personal, or as the study described, "solely about candidate characteristics."

Clinton is the only presidential candidate since at least the 2000 campaign, from either political party, to devote less than 40 percent of her television ads to focus on policy.

"In a typical campaign, ads that focus on candidate character have comprised less than 20 percent of total ad airings, and in some years like 2000, there were hardly any ads that focused on the candidates' character," the study stated.

In comparison, over 70 percent of Donald Trump's television ads "contained at least some discussion of policy."

"The majority of the Clinton campaign's negative advertising attacked Trump’s characteristics and personality," the study found, noting that "fewer than 10 percent of ads attacking Trump focused on his policies whereas about 90 percent was focused on Trump as an individual."

http://freebeacon.com/politics/study-nearly-all-hillary-clintons-tv-ads-didnt-discuss-policy/

But but but.. it was the Russians that caused her to lose and not her stupid campaign decisions.
 
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Moonbeam

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She was doing fine until buried under a tsunami of slime about Benghazi, her emails, DNC emails, Podesta emails, Wall St, the Clinton Foundation, a fainting spell, Poor Bernie! So cheated! & all the other FUD heaped upon her from Bill's affairs to fucking Pizzagate.

You've repeated most of the memes flung against her while ignoring what Sanders said about it entirely. He endorsed her & called on his supporters to vote for her but they were too involved in propagandized outrage to listen.

Let's say you are right, that she lost because Sanders democrats were too propagandized to listen. What was it they were propagandized by? It wouldn't have by any chance been Sanders message would it? And it wouldn't have been a propaganda message from Trump that won him his votes now would it? It would seem then, that when running a campaign one ought to have a propaganda message that appeals to voters and causes them to stick with you. When I looked at the 2016 presidential race I saw a Trump with a powerful propaganda message that went straight to the issue of voter rage but from a negative direction, appealing to hate and a desire for vengeance and when I looked at Sanders I saw a message of rage against the fact that wealth now owns our political system, and when I looked at Clinton I saw a campaign of stay the course. That it seems to me is the one thing that Sanders and Trump voters didn't want. That you and other Clinton apologists couldn't see this tells me you are ideological in your bias and have a brain defect. You think that what you call intelligence matters. I see a different kind of intelligence, I guess. You can say Sanders wouldn't have won but we sure as fuck know that Clinton didn't. Can you see that has nothing to do with hate. It's a factual statement about the importance of knowing what message is important and what is important to the liberal brain is fairness and equity. Anybody with a shred of analytical objectivity should be able to see there is only one real issue and that's the death of out democracy, I only participate in this war of words with you because I think it's important and that democrats are not in touch with what people are feeling and campaign on ideas that have no real appeal, emotional appeal to a sufficient extent to win national elections. The emotional Zombie Obama didn't help. The guy led with his chin.
 
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