Bernie Sanders would destroy the economy...

[Phynaz]

..But hey, weed would be legal.

Right now I think it would be worth it.

 

[sportage]

Sanders is turning out to be a real nut case.
He's the grumpy old man I feared he would be.
He talks revolution but his followers are turning out to be as clueless as he is.
Just getting pissed over everything and about everything is not a revolution.
It's a whiny little brat.
The kind that throws a fit when mom takes away the xbox as punishment.
And Sanders has become a lot more greedy than I thought he would be.
He runs as a democrat, but fails to support other democrats.
Thinks he can get elected and achieve his agenda with the help of no one.

What does Bernie expect?
Masses of angry crowds outside congress caring torches like in some Frankenstein movie after the republican controlled house and senate tell president Bernie to go F himself?
To take his agenda and stick it up his behind?
And to laugh in his face when Bernie wants any bill proposed or passed with his name on it?

Lets get real for a second.
Imagine a frustrated president Bernie Sanders, pissed at everyone and everything when republicans simply ignore his presidency and its agenda, and old Bernie is up there in front of the cameras bitching and griping about this and that, day after day, week after week.
Do Americans really want to put up with that long term?
And how long would it take until his so called revolutionary supporters are turned off as well to this frustrated grumpy old man they were once so in love with?

I predict a presidency much like that of Jimmy Carter, where people just grew tired of all the incompetence. Just had enough.
And after Bernie's supporters give up and go away, there will be Bernie, up there all alone, lost and confused. Not knowing what happened or what to do next.
And how many times will the public put up with a failed Sanders presidency constantly bitching about the top 1%, corporate greed, income inequality, knowing not one thing can be done about any of it?
How long would it take for people to simply tell president Bernie to go jump in the lake?

Bernie looks good on paper, but in reality as president he would be terrible.
Bernie knows nothing about how to mend bridges, bring people with opposing viewpoints together, or how to treat people fairly that aren't gay or poor.
Just look at Sanders vs Hillary.
Bernie has transformed from this old wise leader of a revolution into a bitchy old man.
He now nitpicks Hillary over little petty issues of nonsense, grabbing for straws to make some idiotic pointless point against Hillary, and attacking her as if she were Donald Trumps siamese twin.

Frankly, I don't think Bernie really knows or can tell his friends from his enemies.
As president, when he realizes his revolution is doomed to failure, I actually believe Bernie would turn and blame his own supporters for his failures.
Blame them for not marching to the capitol, flaming torches in hand, and threatening to burn down the castle if they don't get their way.

I see an underlying erratic side to old Bernie.
The side few have seen before because few have ever gotten that close to Bernie.
Or have been allowed to.
And his standing behind the presidential podium with the seal PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is a bit late to find out who this guy really is.
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[sandorski]

Obama would too....

 

[flexy]

What does it matter whether an old "socialist" "destroys" the economy or corporates who ship work to China?

And by the way, how can an economy where 70% of folks are poor and need to work 2-3 shit-pay jobs be even more destroyed?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

And by the way, how can an economy where 70% of folks are poor and need to work 2-3 shit-pay jobs be even more destroyed?

Well that's easy

 

[BurnItDwn]

Minor error in the OP. I believe the correction is "Bernie Sanders would TRY TO FIX the economy."

Now, I do not believe he would be able to fix the damage that has been done over the last 30-40 years, but, I do think he would make a dent in it.

 

[IGBT]

the bulk of sanders support is the doper crowd..he promised them legal free dope and the rest is just buzz to the dopers.

 

[Moonbeam]

the bulk of sanders support is the doper crowd..he promised them legal free dope and the rest is just buzz to the dopers.

Had you hoped to cause pain? If so, all I felt for you was pity. You must have been badly hurt. Remember that you can hide the truth, but only from yourself, not from those who do remember.

 

[Sonikku]

Your options this cycle are between the guy who would fight for the middle class but fail or the other guys that will fight for the banks and wallstreet and succeed.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Your options this cycle are between the guy who would fight for the middle class but fail or the other guys that will fight for the banks and wallstreet and succeed.

Quite true. I'm waiting for an entire generation to understand that success comes from creation rather than gaming the system. I hope I live long enough.

 

[brianmanahan]

Quite true. I'm waiting for an entire generation to understand that success comes from creation rather than gaming the system. I hope I live long enough.

i've just about given up on trying to make money from creation, and now i'm trying to find a way to game the system

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

i've just about given up on trying to make money from creation, and now i'm trying to find a way to game the system

There's no doubt that creation is more difficult. The best things in life always are. It's a matter of perspective. Too many try to convince themselves that more money will make up for a wasted life. Indeed, many proclaim loudly that their money is "proof " their lives aren't wasted. They lie to themselves and others and, are without merit, honor or, vision. Sometimes money does come from creation but, more often does not. The point is do you want to lead or follow?

 

[boomerang]

Now, I do not believe he would be able to fix the damage that has been done over the last 30-40 years, but, I do think he would make a dent in it.

You don't have a clear understanding of the powers assigned to the executive branch. Sanders would spend four frustrating years shaking his fist at the clouds and accomplishing nothing in the process. He'll have virtually no cooperation from both Republicans and Democrats within Congress.

Wishing that weren't the case won't change the situation.

 

[child of wonder]

Sanders heart is in the right place, but the policies would be devastating to the economy. There has to be a way to improve health coverage, make college more affordable, etc. without decimating the economy and drastically increasing taxes on the upper middle and upper class.

 

[BurnItDwn]

You don't have a clear understanding of the powers assigned to the executive branch. Sanders would spend four frustrating years shaking his fist at the clouds and accomplishing nothing in the process. He'll have virtually no cooperation from both Republicans and Democrats within Congress.

Wishing that weren't the case won't change the situation.

He would have no direct impact. His impact would be indirect. He already has changed a lot of people's thinking. He has inspired a lot of people. People who were completely in the dark and uninformed are now slightly less uninformed and a bit more involved. People who saw the system as 100% corrupt and broken see it as something that can be fixed.

Even while generally losing to Hillary over the primary, he has influenced her position to the left.

If he were to earn the president hat, the chain of events down the line from that would ultimately result in stronger laws protecting the value of work.

You are right in that he does not possess a magic wand, he will not fix things all by himself. What he will do, is he will continue to expose injustice. He will continue to call out others on their bullshit.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sanders heart is in the right place, but the policies would be devastating to the economy. There has to be a way to improve health coverage, make college more affordable, etc. without decimating the economy and drastically increasing taxes on the upper middle and upper class.

I agree.

You can't scrap healthcare altogether, it is way too large of an industry that many people's jobs depend on.

However, I do find that insurance is an unnecessary man-in-the-middle. It's an extra processing step that is entirely unnecessary. You're effectively hiring someone to negotiate rates, which costs us tons of extra money... In reality we just want a simple transaction: We want healthcare services, we pay the doctor. End of transaction.

The problem with going full on socialism healthcare is our expensive healthcare is part of what drives the innovation for the next cure - for the next major medicine - for further research... If there is no money or profit to drive innovation. Just about every major invention related to recent medical work has come out of the US. I do heavily think our patent system needs to be reformed though, not being able to make generic medicines for long periods of time is ridiculous.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You don't have a clear understanding of the powers assigned to the executive branch. Sanders would spend four frustrating years shaking his fist at the clouds and accomplishing nothing in the process. He'll have virtually no cooperation from both Republicans and Democrats within Congress.

Wishing that weren't the case won't change the situation.

I disagree... I think Sanders (unlike our current president who ignores and makes indirect speeches about them) has the balls to stand with congress - whichever side disagrees - and reason with them on issues. Our current president does nothing but whine and complain and say "You guys need to fix this, I don't know how - but it's your fault"

 

[boomerang]

He would have no direct impact. His impact would be indirect. He already has changed a lot of people's thinking. He has inspired a lot of people. People who were completely in the dark and uninformed are now slightly less uninformed and a bit more involved. People who saw the system as 100% corrupt and broken see it as something that can be fixed.

Even while generally losing to Hillary over the primary, he has influenced her position to the left.

If he were to earn the president hat, the chain of events down the line from that would ultimately result in stronger laws protecting the value of work.

You are right in that he does not possess a magic wand, he will not fix things all by himself. What he will do, is he will continue to expose injustice. He will continue to call out others on their bullshit.

I can see you're the type of person that judges what people accomplish by the intent of their actions, not the results. Good for you. There is something to be said for a simpler way of thinking. Less stress, more happiness.

I hope you know that the only way Bernie can even get the nomination is if Hillary is both indicted and drops out. But hey, I get it, hitching yourself to the hope and change train gives you a warm feeling inside.

 

[Sonikku]

Voting for Sanders is a vote for what a President wouldn't do. Namely facilitate more job off shoring and enrichment of the elite with more free trade and wallstreet free passes which he would Veto. Accomplishing something for the middle class is basically not going to happen regardless of who becomes president at this point, one way or the other. The establishment will not allow it. Even Hillary who is realistic and might have a better chance of accomplishing it would not do so even given the option, she has debts to pay to donors.

 

[senseamp]

What the Sanderistas don't get is that the US political system is designed to change incrementally, not disruptively, and that's a good thing. People and businesses can plan for the future without margining for a lot of political risk. If you want to get something done politically in the US, you have to work towards that for a long time, not wave a magic wand that Bernie supporters think he'll get if elected President. There is a reason why Bernie hasn't gotten anything done in Congress, even when Democrats were in charge. There is not "Sanders Act" that is changing people's lives in a meaningful way. If you want to get things done, you need to slowly steer the ship in the direction you want it to go, not jump overboard and try to swim there on your own.

 

[Sonikku]

So do you think Ted Cruz/Trump or Hillary are going to incrementally improvements for Middle Class Americans?

 

[senseamp]

So do you think Ted Cruz/Trump or Hillary are going to incrementally improvements for Middle Class Americans?

Hillary, yes. Similar to the last time Clintons were in the White House, the lives of most Americans got better.
Trump and Cruz, no.

 

[Moonbeam]

I can see you're the type of person that judges what people accomplish by the intent of their actions, not the results. Good for you. There is something to be said for a simpler way of thinking. Less stress, more happiness.

I hope you know that the only way Bernie can even get the nomination is if Hillary is both indicted and drops out. But hey, I get it, hitching yourself to the hope and change train gives you a warm feeling inside.

That must be one gigantic projection on your part. I saw nothing in his post but pure logic. There was nothing warm and fuzzy about it, just a minimalistic description of what Sanders might accomplish, not what he would intend. I assume you didn't actually see what was actually said because you have a hot Sanders bean up your ass, complements of your conservative brain defect.

The whole purpose of his post was to separate what Sanders might achieve over and against the magnificence of what he (Sanders} would say he intends. I guess even that minimum something that BurnItDwn suggested might be achieved, held too much hopeful light for those turtled-up, head-withdrawn, squeezed-shut eyes of yours to bear. Hope you don't die the next time somebody wishes you a happy birthday.

 

[Moonbeam]

What the Sanderistas don't get is that the US political system is designed to change incrementally, not disruptively, and that's a good thing. People and businesses can plan for the future without margining for a lot of political risk. If you want to get something done politically in the US, you have to work towards that for a long time, not wave a magic wand that Bernie supporters think he'll get if elected President. There is a reason why Bernie hasn't gotten anything done in Congress, even when Democrats were in charge. There is not "Sanders Act" that is changing people's lives in a meaningful way. If you want to get things done, you need to slowly steer the ship in the direction you want it to go, not jump overboard and try to swim there on your own.

Ah, Soma. Let's do more of what got us where we are.

 

[Sonikku]

Hillary, yes. Similar to the last time Clintons were in the White House, the lives of most Americans got better.
Trump and Cruz, no.

Bill had the good fortune to preside over economic times during the internet boom before it bust, all while all the over extended borrowing and spending going on hadn't yet crashed the economy. As far as his policies are concerned, he passed free trade, facilitate job offshoring and repealed the spiegel act that has not done Americans any favors. (maybe wallstreet and corporate America)