Best 19" monitor

[LXi]

Dell has two different monitor lines, one uses the Philips/Hitachi shadow mask tubes, the more expensive line uses the FD Trinitron tube.

 

[sov05]

<<sov05: I have no evidence on what I said. But if you read my statements carefully again, you'll find this statement:

&quot;This is just a speculation&quot;

And, why do you think this is not true? Do you work for KDS? How do you even come to conclusion that the KDS tubes are NOT Sony rejects??

>>

All i said is don't say things that you don't have ANY evidence for.
I never said u were wrong, but just don't say things off the top of ur head.

We don't need speculation, that is totally unfounded, and that paints a bad picture on a specific company.

We don't want to misinform people in his forum.
Some guy reads that, does not pay careful attention to your &quot;speculation&quot; part, and then spreads the unevidenced statement to a friend.

This is how consumers get misinformed

 

[sov05]

<<sov05: I have no evidence on what I said. But if you read my statements carefully again, you'll find this statement:

&quot;This is just a speculation&quot;

And, why do you think this is not true? Do you work for KDS? How do you even come to conclusion that the KDS tubes are NOT Sony rejects??

>>

All i said is don't say things that you don't have ANY evidence for.
I never said u were wrong, but just don't say things off the top of ur head.

We don't need speculation, that is totally unfounded, and that paints a bad picture on a specific company.

We don't want to misinform people in his forum.
Some guy reads that, does not pay careful attention to your &quot;speculation&quot; part, and then spreads the unevidenced statement to a friend.

This is how consumers get misinformed

 

[marcomarco]

So how about a Dell trinitron 19 refurb for 250 plus shipping?

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

You guys/gals are getting off-topic here. Let's not get into a KDS vs. Sony argument here, save that for another thread.

Back to monitors, what about Viewsonic? They make good monitors. Or even Mitsubishi monitors?

 

[LXi]

Well, there is gotta be a reason why KDS is so cheap. Ok maybe its not the tube. Maybe they're using other cheaper parts, maybe it's something else. But you cant expect a KDS to be 95% of a Sony, and magically reduce the price tag by $400, that just doesnt happen without a reasonable cause. They must be cutting corners somewhere and we're not noticing it. Anyway, this is just another speculation of my own part. Why do you think they're so cheap? Whats your opinion?

 

[LXi]

ViewSonic's shadow mask monitors are not worth it. Their aperture grille monitors are expensive, and I rather stick to the original producers. Mitsubishi makes extremely good monitors, rivals Sony.

 

[KarlHungus]

LXi -

It's not a question why KDS's monitors are so cheap, it's a question why Sony's monitors are so expensive. Here's an article I dug up from a CAD site. It lists most of the major 19&quot; monitors on the market now. http://www.cadalyst.com/reviews/hardware/999monitors/index.htm

 

[LXi]

Ok, if Sony is charging so much for their monitors. They must be charging KDS a lot for the FD Trinitron tubes as well. How does KDS magically decrease the production cost???

 

[Revenant]

Is there really that big a difference between a flat screen and a... a ... a not so flat screen? I've seen pictures of the KDS VS-195e and I've talked to people with them and they say its fairly flat. though it may not be perfect people who own them seem to think they are good. I'm looking for something cheap, with a nice screen size and reasonable quality, and from what I've seen, the KDS monitor looks like an ok buy.

 

[T2T III]

Revenant,

While I was trying to find an acceptable &quot;truly flat&quot; monitor, I had the opportunity to use one for about a week. After determining that the quality was not-so-good, I put my Samsung 900P (flat-square, but not truly flat) monitor back on my desktop. It took me about 30 minutes to get used to the monitor because it wasn't truly flat. After than adjustment period, I didn't have any issues with my 900P. When looking straight on, the screen is perfect. In your quest to save a few $$, go for the monitor you are looking at - it should be fine.

 

[Napalm]

This one is so easy.

If you have money to burn, the best 19 inch monitor is easily the Sony F400 or the G400 - they basically look identical. This monitor is very sharp for an aperture grille tube and the color vibrancy is to die for...

If you do not have money to burn, the best monitor is easily the Samsung 900NF (uses the Mitsubishi's Naturally Flat aperture grille technology). It is as sharp as the Sony and the color is only slighly, slighly less vibrant.

Nuff said,
Napalm

 

[Olorin]

Good point Raincity. It's actually two spots that are out of focus, the rest of the screen is a little blurry compared to my 900NF. By the Nokia monitor test the convergence is a little off in the fuzzy spots, but seems to be dead on for the rest of the screen.

I also want to interject about the Samsung 900NF; this might only apply to the one I had but I found the black level and greyscale perfomance fairly bad. The brightness of the screen would vary noticebly depending on the screen contents (i.e. opening a white window would darken the rest of the screen) and on the Nokia greyscale test screen the grey levels weren't sharply defined. The Sony G400 performs much better in that aspect and also has more even and richer colors, but the text is less sharp (again, might just be my monitor.)

 

[bluezebra1098]

I was told my a monitor repairman that Sony's patent on the Trinitron tube had run out and now anyone could use the term &quot;trinitron&quot; in an aperture grille tube. We now have Dell monitors with the word &quot;trinitron&quot;, KDS with &quot;trinitron&quot; (although they call theirs Avitron) and I'm sure there are others. Which also means that Sony is not the only one that manufactures trinitron tubes.
Lxi, why don't you call KDS and ask them your question.

 

[ragiepew]

sov05: I know this is off topic a bit but i saw you mention that a cel2 isn't a p3 w/ 128k cache disabled... well your wrong. It is. If you look at the die sizes for both cpu's they are the same. This means that the cel2 has the full 256k of cache or it wouldnt be the same die size. 128k is just not functioning (either by choice or because it cant). This has already been proven. Also since the p3
's 256k of cache is 8 way assoc. when its chopped in half (as in the cel2) it becomes 4way assoc. This is futher proof of their brotherhood.

anyway, about the monitor: i have a g400 and its great.... was way better than my 14&quot; AOC 4v monitor that it replaced!

 

[sov05]

I think Dell gets the entire monitor from Sony and just puts a Dell label on it.

not posistive but I heard they do

 

[Diesel21]

My next monitor is going to be the Sony G400 19&quot;, If I had some more money I would definetly buy the F400 from Sony, the monitor is totally flat and the picture is nice and sharp, the best monitor I have experienced in person

 

[Diesel21]

My next monitor is going to be the Sony G400 19&quot;, If I had some more money I would definetly buy the F400 from Sony, the monitor is totally flat and the picture is nice and sharp, the best monitor I have experienced in person

 

[ragiepew]

sov05: if they do get the entire monitor from sony then they at least have to have a different case. They look totally different (case wize) which leads me to believe that they only get the tube from sony. not sure about that though.

 

[Olorin]

bluebraza1098, sorry but the repairman is misinformed. Sony's Trinitron patent has expired, but their rights to the term &quot;Trinitron&quot; haven't. So Mitsubishi, for example, can make an aperature grille tube like a Trinitron but they have to call it something else, like &quot;DiamondTron&quot;. Any monitor that lists 19&quot; FD Trinitron® in the specs or has the Trinitron label on the bezel is using a Sony manufactured tube; the CTX PR series and KDS Avitrons are two examples.

Why are some people so resistant to the idea that Sony sells their tubes to other manufacturers? Is it that hard to believe that a well known brand name like Sony charges substantially more for their product than a less recognized company charges for almost the same thing? It's like designer clothes, you pay for the label as much as for the quality.

 

[TomY]

I think the G400 is probably the best monitor one can get. The F400 is cool and all (.22 AGP) but I really can't tell what the difference is other than the fine lookin bezel on the F-series. I was at the Metreon's Microsoft Store staring at the F500 for about an hour, trying to figure out where the 400 dollar diff between the F400 and G400 could be but couldn't see it. Anyways, I have the G400, was really surprised by how it looks. Great, I have one of the few G400s that have no distortion whatsoever (even on Arstechnica).

 

[snow patrol]

Paulson, whilst I appreciated your advice, I've actually gone ahead and ordered a CTX PR960F (http://www.ctxmonitors.com/marketing/amydesign/FD%20Series/FDleft.htm. As you'll see if you click the link, it's got some excellent reviews and its specs seemed slightly better than the viewsonic's. I particularly like the 1600x1200@87Hz. It was also around 30 UK pounds cheaper. Hopefully it'll be a gooden

Thanks again though.

 

[rickn]

As with anything electronic, quality varies. Sony certainly is not going to give its grade A tubes to another manufacturer and keep the bad ones. Common sense dictates that. And like another person pointed out, the tube is not the only important part, it is also the electronics, the power supply/distribution etc. I personally dislike Korean made monitors, as I have seen way to many of them fail very fast, like the screens turning green. You do pay for the Sony name, but you are also getting a better monitor than a KDS(and I am not sayig KDS is bad) It just aint a Sony

 

[bluezebra1098]

But Olorin, you forgot!
Lxi keeps insisting that KDS is sneaking up to Sony's back door and grabbing all the defective Trinitron tubes in the trash can! LOL
KDS's lower price is obviously the result of brand recognition..It's that simple. Just look at the some of the terms used by some on this thread:
&quot;rejects&quot; &quot;short life&quot; &quot;low end&quot;...
That's enough to tell you that KDS still has a way to go in being a recognized product and they (KDS) know it. You put a competitive price to get your product on the streets and in turn you end up with a consumer history, that will make or break you. I've sat in front of Viewsonic, Iiyama, KDS, Sony, Dell(Sony), Princeton. It boils down to this: IT'S WHAT YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT AND HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO SPEND.

 

[snow patrol]

Well, if the CTX sucks, I'll send it back and get the viewsonic