best 22" crt under 800

[SnOop005]

I'm looking for 22" crt upgrade from my nokia. I ordered an Mitsubish DP2070SB since I heard is one of the best monitor, but when i set it up and fired it up I was very dissapponted. The colors are really vibrant but the text leaves a lot to desire. The text is so blurry that my eyes started to hurt after staring at the monitor for a couple of min. Is there any alternatives besides nec/mitsu?


Thank you

 

[Alkali]

Originally posted by: SnOop005
I'm looking for 22" crt upgrade from my nokia. I ordered an Mitsubish DP2070SB since I heard is one of the best monitor, but when i set it up and fired it up I was very dissapponted. The colors are really vibrant but the text leaves a lot to desire. The text is so blurry that my eyes started to hurt after staring at the monitor for a couple of min. Is there any alternatives besides nec/mitsu?





Thank you

Dude, you have to set it up right, plus you have to set up your graphics card properly. Did you even use the colour profile for the 2070? Did you install naviset so you can assist yourself setting it up for text?

 

[SnOop005]

I used naviset as well as the osm addition to that 2 focus adjust hole on the side. What do u mean by setting up the videocard right?

 

[remagavon]

sony G520p.

I know some say that sony's are overrated, but my 19" G400 is kick_-ss, and my parents have a 21" G520 (non p) that is very good as well. The p is just newer.

 

[Nebor]

Most graphics cards just aren't well equipped to drive big monitors at high resolutions like that.

 

[SnOop005]

but i was using it at 1280x1024.

 

[Alptraum]

Originally posted by: remagavon
sony G520p.

I know some say that sony's are overrated, but my 19" G400 is kick_-ss, and my parents have a 21" G520 (non p) that is very good as well. The p is just newer.

I would get a Mitsu over the G520p. I have both a G520p and an older Mitsu 2040u and I think the Mitsu is the better monitor. I am under the impression that the current model 2070u is at least as good if not somewhat better then my 2040u. So I would get that over the Sony. Of course I hear that the Sony's are just about impossible to find now so its probably a moot point. I like LCDs better then both anyways now though so thats not a concern for me, heh.

 

[yhelothar]

That's why I kept telling you forum members to get a shadowmask.. but you guys keep insisting on getting the 2070U.... too bad you guys just don't listen..
Get a Viewsonic G220f

 

[Alptraum]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
That's why I kept telling you forum members to get a shadowmask.. but you guys keep insisting on getting the 2070U.... too bad you guys just don't listen..
Get a Viewsonic G220f

I have never had any issues like that with any of the large AG screens I have had over the years. I always preferred AG to SM. Though I never had a 2070u so maybe their QC has slipped or something. I do have a 2040u and its just fine. Same with my 900u and Sony G520p. Though I think they all suck now compared to my LCD. Heh, no more CRTs for me.

 

[SnOop005]

damn...decision..decison...

I havent used a shadow mask monitor since...but anyway, is this the best shadowmask monitor I can get?
What are the advantage of shadowmask over AG and vice-versa? Will I loose alot of "true color" by getting a sm over ag? Right now, I guess im jus looking for the most balanced monitor that displays text and color.

I read alot of ppo seems to be backing up Mitsu/nec...u guys think i got a bad one??

 

[Alptraum]

I don't know if you got a bad one or not. There have been a number of threads in video about a few people having bad ones. Thats probably a very small number of people that get them though and they usually do great in reviews. Maybe they had a bad run though. Maybe not, I have no idea, lol.

Have you tried playing around with different resolutions and refresh rates? Try maybe 85hz versus 120hz and various things in between. Both of the Mitsu's I currently have (Diamond Pro 2040u and 900u) have been chugging along for years with no trouble.

Though I would just suggest just getting an LCD if this thing doesn't work out, lol. I prefer my Samsung 192t to all of my CRTs

 

[SnOop005]

yea i play around wit all the refresh rate and the only refresh rate that display OK text is 60hz...ouch.
I was thinking of upgrading to a DELL 2001fp but they told me a high end crt will still have the edge on image quality over lcd.

 

[yhelothar]

Shadowmasks are generally preferred for graphics design because they have truer colors.
Yes they aren't as vibrant as aperture grills, but on all the aperture grills I've used, I couldn't use the max brightness the monitor can handle or anywhere close or my monitor would go blurry and out of focus.
I currently use two IBM P275 monitors, so I AM speaking from personal experience.
I have to say the text looks great on this sony tube, but I have to turn the contrast/brightness down to 85/35 respectively, and at those settings, they aren't much more vibrant than my shadowmask.

 

[Alptraum]

Originally posted by: SnOop005
yea i play around wit all the refresh rate and the only refresh rate that display OK text is 60hz...ouch.

I was thinking of upgrading to a DELL 2001fp but they told me a high end crt will still have the edge on image quality over lcd.

Well, it depends on what you use it for (and also how large your pocket book is, but I will just run under the assumption that like me you can't drop $5,000+ on an LCD, heh). To put it bluntly my 192t kind of makes my CRTs look like ass. Its just so sharp and vibrant. And not having a refresh rate like a CRT just makes the image seem more "stable" for lack of a better term. Basically it looks way better then my CRTs.

While its true that LCDs can not quite compete with CRTs in color accuracy in many cases thats a moot point to me. Nothing I do requires that. And even though the red may be a little off or something it still looks way better.

If you did go LCD and want great image quality though I would stay away from the 2001fp. Get the 213t if you can afford it (thats my next purchase). Theimage comparision between it and the 2001fp in the review on Anand doesn't even look close, the 213t looks way better. I have seen a number of people complain about a sort of screen door effect as well.

 

[rosco6912]

any suggestions for newbs like me on how to tune a 21" sony to have less blurry text?

its a g420 i think (not at the computer right now) and its about 2yrs old...

any programs/files/etc?

thanks!

 

[yhelothar]

try turning down the contrast/brightness
turn down the refresh/resolution

 

[Goi]

Hmmn, I don't have a 22" CRT, but I recently purchased a 3-year old hp p1120 21" FDTrinitron, and I definitely like it a lot better than the Nokia 445XPro 21" shadow mask that it replaced.

 

[Bucksnort]

On diamondtrons I turn the brightness to 0. I would investigate your video card myself. I do not think its the monitor.

 

[remagavon]

Actually I do have a 2001fp, and the screen door effect is pretty annoying. However the monitor is *very* sharp, but that problem is really getting on my nerves.

I also prefer AG's to shadowmask monitors. 21" sony's are not impossible to find, it's going to be about $800 for a 21" G520. I see a lot of people recently complaining about terrible geometry on their newer CRTs, but many of those poeple bought refurbished ones and keep sending them back for...other refurbished ones. Sony also has kick-ss support for their products, AFAIK they will pay shipping both ways if you need a replacement. Just food for thought.

I actually want to sell my LCD and get that sony, or the .22mm $1500 one; but that is slightly ridiculous.

 

[imported_Phil]

Yeah it sounds like a bad output signal from the video card to me.

 

[Alptraum]

Originally posted by: remagavon
Actually I do have a 2001fp, and the screen door effect is pretty annoying. However the monitor is *very* sharp, but that problem is really getting on my nerves.

I also prefer AG's to shadowmask monitors. 21" sony's are not impossible to find, it's going to be about $800 for a 21" G520. I see a lot of people recently complaining about terrible geometry on their newer CRTs, but many of those poeple bought refurbished ones and keep sending them back for...other refurbished ones. Sony also has kick-ss support for their products, AFAIK they will pay shipping both ways if you need a replacement. Just food for thought.

I actually want to sell my LCD and get that sony, or the .22mm $1500 one; but that is slightly ridiculous.

Yeah, thats why I discount a lot of those bad monitor stories. I figure if you buy a refurb you have no right to complain. You might get lucky, but in general there is a reason they are cheap...

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: Alptraum

Originally posted by: remagavon
Actually I do have a 2001fp, and the screen door effect is pretty annoying. However the monitor is *very* sharp, but that problem is really getting on my nerves.

I also prefer AG's to shadowmask monitors. 21" sony's are not impossible to find, it's going to be about $800 for a 21" G520. I see a lot of people recently complaining about terrible geometry on their newer CRTs, but many of those poeple bought refurbished ones and keep sending them back for...other refurbished ones. Sony also has kick-ss support for their products, AFAIK they will pay shipping both ways if you need a replacement. Just food for thought.

I actually want to sell my LCD and get that sony, or the .22mm $1500 one; but that is slightly ridiculous.

Yeah, thats why I discount a lot of those bad monitor stories. I figure if you buy a refurb you have no right to complain. You might get lucky, but in general there is a reason they are cheap...

Exactly

 

[SnOop005]

I tried it on two machine, one wit a aged radeon 7200 and samething

 

[SnOop005]

did the sm tube envolve at all these past 4 or 5 yrs? Or is it still the same thing?

 

[Alkali]

Originally posted by: SnOop005
I tried it on two machine, one wit a aged radeon 7200 and samething

Dude, you try using this monitor with a card like that?

Look - tough as this may seem to you - better graphics cards give better signals.

I bought a very good GeForce2GTS card a few years back, and based my decision on how excellent it was in 2D - not as good as the Matrox G400Max, but not bad. The other card I have used with my 22" Mitsu 2070SB is the Radeon 9700Pro. Both of these cards are perfectly capable of running very high res, high Hz.


My GeForce2GTS can go up to 1600x1200@100Hz without text burring (higher res does make it blur)
My Radeon can go up to 2048x1536@75Hz without blurring (although 85Hz does blurr)


Basically, what I am saying is: Its not the Monitor at fault by the sounds of it, although I can't tell properly because you havnt told us what graphics card you use.

Do not just give up on this monitor just because the rest of your rig isnt capable of running it.