best 4-drive sata NAS

xyyz

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i'm looking at the Galaxy Metal Gear 4500MGB 4 Bay Raid Pro right now. unfortunately, it seems like the only device under $300.

i wouldn't mind paying up to $350 only if the device is worth it (ie promise's offering.)
 

darkenedsoul

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Why not look at Windows Home Server? I am starting to look at that but currently it isn't getting to the install point on an old AMD XP3000 system (3Gb but has an X1600 GPU which probably isn't supported on 2003 SP2 server which is what WHS is based on). I have a DNS-323 w/2 500 SATA II's in mirror configuration. I will move those two drives to WHS if I can get it up and installed by changing the video card out. I am doing the Trial version for now to see how it works with the PC's as well as with my PS3 for streaming media from it. I don't currently plan on movie stuff, mainly music and backing up my desktops on a regular basis where I don't have to think when last backup image was!

Mike
 

xyyz

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i really want a NAS appliance with a small footprint.

i considered the BSD and linux offerings, but i decided not to go that way.
 

MalVeauX

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Heya,

I totally understand the small footprint thing. However, you're still going to quickly discover the limits of a pure NAS device, especially one that is not gigabit network capable, and especially one that has limited and/or frustrating operation. My suggestion to folk is to build their own out of a computer. However, as you stated, you want small foot print. So to that, I say look to the micro-ATX towers. They can be fitted and modded to hold 4 drives. You can control what goes in and you can do so for cheaper than a pure NAS device. You can ensure a gigabit ready little machine with powerful yet cheap components and you can choose your own way to serve, be it FreeNAS or something like Windows Home Server. Completely headless either way. That's what I'd do if you want really low foot print without buying a limited pre-build NAS device that will not grow with your needs.

For example, look at this case:

Steel MicroATX Mini Tower @ $39

For $39, you get a case with a little PSU already in it (this is more than enough to power a little CPU and hard drive setup). It's MicroATX so a cheap little mATX board will fit in there. It has 4 drive base for 3.5" drives, your HDDs. The thing is only 16.5" deep, 7" wide, and 14" tall. It's literally the size of a little battery backup that people buy. It's the size of shoe box. $39. And has 124 reviews with a 5/5 egg rating. That's cheap and fantastic.

Note: You can use 5.25" to 3.5" converters to make those large bays house more 3.5" drives. You could easily put 6 HDD's in that box via a little cage like that, 7 to 8 if you mod it, but easily 6 with just a HDD cage for the 5.25" slots. And you could still have room for a DVD drive if you wanted for installation or backup purposes...etc. If you went that route, grab a motherboard with 6 SATA ports (or get any motherboard with 4 ports and get a cheap little 2 to 4 port SATA controller card (PCI/PCIe) in there. Here's a link to a little cage to let a 3.5" drive be housed in a 5.25" slot (to use those two slots on the case, to make it house 6 internal 3.5" drives easily, with room for a DVD drive still: 3.5 to 5.25 HDD cage.

Just add the components to make it tick:

FoxConn A7VMX-K @ $55
AMD BE-2350 Brisbane @ $45
2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 800 Memory @ $20

And that's all you need for the basic NAS machine. It's got built in gigabit lan, built in audio (just in case), built in video (handy if you need to do more with it), enough components to last you a very long time into the future in terms of serving files around and running any OS you want essentially. You can even RAID with it if you felt the need (I wouldn't RAID a NAS though anyways unless it was for more than casual use).

That's $160 for a shoe box sized NAS that is excellent. Plus, if you outgrow the machine, it's actually a fine little computer that is ready to be a casual ready machine (lan, audio, video, etc, built in, ready to go, powerful enough to run Vista even, it's a dualcore after all). A limited specific NAS device becomes a paper weight when you out grow it's use/need. This little thing can be your friend's machine, or a backup if yours died, etc. Really great way to get multi-function and future use out of a machine you're putting money into. Especially only $160.

Just add drives.

Very best,
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: xyyz
i really want a NAS appliance with a small footprint.

HP MediaSmart

Not quite what you're looking for, but it is a complete PC hiding inside that little box with four hotswap bays. Has gigabit ethernet, runs Windows Home Server and there's a small community hacking away at it (older version). People have done stuff like add VGA ports and such.
 

RebateMonger

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I'm not sure that those who haven't seen one know just how small it is.

The new EX485 has a 2 GHz Intel processor, 2 GB of RAM, and a 750 GB hard drive installed, with three empty SATA bays. It's REALLY small. About the size of four hard drives and a power supply.
 

darkenedsoul

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Originally posted by: RebateMonger
I'm not sure that those who haven't seen one know just how small it is.

The new EX485 has a 2 GHz Intel processor, 2 GB of RAM, and a 750 GB hard drive installed, with three empty SATA bays. It's REALLY small. About the size of four hard drives and a power supply.

Also isn't the pricetag on that around $599 if it's the one I looked at briefly (saw price, said no thanks)? Still, it's a nice small footprint for sure but can make one cheaper more than likely.
 

xyyz

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hmmm... i guess i'll go for the home-built solution. i have an ultra micro case sitting in the garage. while it's not quite as small as i want, it'll do. i guess it's silly to spend the money when i have all the components sitting around.

opensolaris is interesting, but i want something that'll integrate into Active Directory as seamlessly as possible. i rather not run Win2k3r2 on the new server, but if that's the best option, that's the way i'll go.

any recommendations?
 

taltamir

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what is active directory?

Opensolaris is a huge meh and vastly inferior to things like freenas or even linux.
The only reason i suggest it is because of ZFS, its ZFS that is pure awesome. ZFS is the ONLY commercial filesystem that has built in error detection and correction. For example, In the past 6 months I have had one bit flip due to solar radiation on one of my HDDs in my fileservers. In any other filesystem it would result in a corrupt file. In ZFS it was detected and fixed.
Oh, and MacOS is in the process of implementing a ZFS port. And so are other open source projects (although they are all behind compared to solaris, which is where it is developed). Eventually either MS joins in, or they will be the only os without ZFS.

There is ofcourse the google filesystem, but that is not available outside of google.
 

darkenedsoul

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Originally posted by: taltamir
what is active directory?

It is a component of Windows Exchange which is the users portion as well as other things. I don't know a lot about it atm but I am testing exchange at work and have to clean up active directory if I wipe out the exchange information store(s) and go to re-set it back up with a clean database and create new users using loadsim or load generator tool (it populates active directory as well as the information store (mail, appointments, etc...).

Mike


 

xyyz

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it's not just exchange. it's the backbone of the windows forest/domain environment.

it looks like opensolaris has CIFS built into it's core.

i think i'm gonna give this a run. let's see how well it works.

anyways, instructions for anyone who wants to implement it into their windows environment:

http://blogs.sun.com/timthomas...pensolaris_cifs_server

taltamir, do you have any sites that compile lists of HOWTO's or any other tutorials for opensolaris. it's been a while since i've used older versions of solaris, and i want to get back into the groove before i start doing too much with it.
 

taltamir

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ah, very good than. In which case its not going to be a NAS. its a domain backbone server, active directory server, and a file server. That really changes the name of the game. I don't know how about active directory implementation in, well, anything. So I can't really advise further on this regard... well, aside from saying "if you have the money, make a ZFS fileserver, and a seperate active domain server" that way you can enjoy the best of both worlds... otherwise its just a matter of choosing what is more important to you since you are limited to one server.
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: darkenedsoul
Originally posted by: RebateMonger
I'm not sure that those who haven't seen one know just how small it is.

The new EX485 has a 2 GHz Intel processor, 2 GB of RAM, and a 750 GB hard drive installed, with three empty SATA bays. It's REALLY small. About the size of four hard drives and a power supply.

Also isn't the pricetag on that around $599 if it's the one I looked at briefly (saw price, said no thanks)? Still, it's a nice small footprint for sure but can make one cheaper more than likely.
There were some awesome deals when HP discontinued the EX475. $300 or so. The new version (EX485) can be found for about $550. It's hard to compare this with a home-built because you CAN'T BUY a case like HP uses. It's the "perfect" WHS case.

It's impossible to find a tiny PC case that will hold four drives. Not to mention that the drive bays are screwless and quickly detachable. If you home-build something similar, with a high-end case, you'll end up at nearly the same price with no warranty.

Last fall I built a (30 Watt) WHS on an MS Wind barebones ($150), Windows Home Server ($140 at the time), a 750 GB drive ($100), 1 GB of RAM ($20), and a DVD drive ($24). Total was about $450 for quality parts, but only a single drive bay.

It's easy to build a cheap "big" WHS on old hardware, but a tiny one is tough.
 

xyyz

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the more i read about ZFS, the more i like it.

the idea of a pool for all media sounds really nice. just drop whatever media you have, regardless of what it is, and it gets allocated into the pool.

unless, i'm understanding it wrong.
 

taltamir

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Drop as in put in the computer? or put into the pool? you have to tell it that it can use the drive. otherwise it will risk taking a drive that was used by something else and erasing its data. But it is a single line command, and takes about a second to execute when you give it.

But yea it is very impressive. One thing though, it does not change from, if you have two drives in mirror and add two new drives, its a separate mirror, just the data is pooled. Basically its a raid0 of all the things you add (or maybe jbod?) with dynamically changing total size of the filesystem.
So if you say... create pool tank with mirror of drive A and drive B.
And then say add to pool tank a raid5 implementation (raidz) of drive C, D, and E.
That you have a raid0 of two raid arrays, one raid1, and one raid5.

It is also very nice that you waste no space at all when you create child file systems. They all have access to all the sapce. So if you create 3 child file systems in a 1TB pool, they all have 1TB free... you put 200GB in partition A, now they all have 800GB free. So there is no more assigning (and wasting) space.

it has very impressive healing capability too.
Check this page: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/
click on "ZFS: The Last Word in File Systems" under slides. It goes in depth into what ZFS does and how it works.
 

mikeford

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Any updates on things suggested here? I think I am about ready to build some kind of NAS for our home network, and I want to be able to lose a drive, and replace it, with no drama.
 
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