Best all around IPS display?

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So I'm looking for an IPS screen because I want a good all around screen.

I do a lot of gaming, web browswing, and software development. I'm not a super competitive gamer so I don't think I need 5000hz monitor to prevent any ghosting or tearing. Right now I'm gaming on Acer X203w's and they suit me just fine.

I was looking at the Dell 2412M and the asus PA248Q. Any other recommendations? I will be getting two, and prefer to stay 24" or less and < 400 unless it's worth the extra coin. Thanks!

 

[Phynaz]

Dell 2412M is great for the money.

 

[push]

Dell 2412M is great for the money.

That's what I was thinking too, but the reports of PWM flicker makes me a little worried.

 

[Teizo]

If you don't mind the glossy screen, then this Acer is good....or I think so at least. It is the one I own.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009483

$10 bucks off each right now as well

 

[push]

Unfortunately gloss is not an option. I will need som AG.

 

[push]

Since I use these frequently and use them partly for work, thinking of opening up the pocket book a little and getting two of these. Anyone had any experience with these or other IPS at this price point that would be a better choice?

Asus PB278Q

 

[LOUISSSSS]

The dell would be better but imcurrently using an asua vn248h for cs:s and I play well

 

[dust]

One more vote for the Dell, I got the U2312hm and I love it!

 

[Aithos]

I would strongly consider how much time you spend on gaming vs other activities. The refresh rate (while it's a big deal) and the response rate are not the primary concerns with gaming on an IPS. 120hz will give you less delay between frames, smoother motion and better accuracy (registry in fps games), but it isn't a deal breaker if you're not used to it. Reponse rate is largely meaningless because there is no standard for how to measure it, what one company calls 5ms != what another company calls 5ms.

The bigger issue is input lag. Except for a handful of import (Korean) panels and a single Asus IPS every other IPS panel on the market will have at least 20-30ms of input/processing lag. You'll have to look up a review to get the model number of the Asus if you're interested, I don't know it off the top of my head, but make sure you understand the implications of input lag.

It means that any multiplayer online games you're going to have a distinct disadvantage because everything will be displayed on your screen 20-30ms after it actually happened. It will throw off your registration, it will throw off your timing and it's pretty noticable. For single player games it's not as big a deal because you aren't dealing with other players, just the computer. Trust me when I say it's not a small thing.

I personally have tried the QNIX QX2710 1440p 27", they are A and A- panels that normally go into much more expensive monitors. You can pick them up for $300-400 and if you go with a model that only has a dual-dvi input you will mostly eliminate input lag. The one I got didn't have any noticable backlight bleed or any dead pixels, but it's a small risk when you order one.

 

[seitur]

a single Asus IPS

Which one?

 

[Will Robinson]

I would strongly consider how much time you spend on gaming vs other activities. The refresh rate (while it's a big deal) and the response rate are not the primary concerns with gaming on an IPS. 120hz will give you less delay between frames, smoother motion and better accuracy (registry in fps games), but it isn't a deal breaker if you're not used to it. Reponse rate is largely meaningless because there is no standard for how to measure it, what one company calls 5ms != what another company calls 5ms.

The bigger issue is input lag. Except for a handful of import (Korean) panels and a single Asus IPS every other IPS panel on the market will have at least 20-30ms of input/processing lag. You'll have to look up a review to get the model number of the Asus if you're interested, I don't know it off the top of my head, but make sure you understand the implications of input lag.

It means that any multiplayer online games you're going to have a distinct disadvantage because everything will be displayed on your screen 20-30ms after it actually happened. It will throw off your registration, it will throw off your timing and it's pretty noticable. For single player games it's not as big a deal because you aren't dealing with other players, just the computer. Trust me when I say it's not a small thing.

I personally have tried the QNIX QX2710 1440p 27", they are A and A- panels that normally go into much more expensive monitors. You can pick them up for $300-400 and if you go with a model that only has a dual-dvi input you will mostly eliminate input lag. The one I got didn't have any noticable backlight bleed or any dead pixels, but it's a small risk when you order one.

Umm..no.
I run a Dell U2410 and there's no discernible input lag.
There is also a Gaming mode option which bypasses some of the internal processing circuits for those who need even quicker redraw speed.
The H-IPS image quality is much preferable than a faster TN panel's response time advantage IMO.

 

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I'm coming from a Acer x203w, so can't imagine the input lag is much better than a "slow" IPS. Correct me if I'm wrong. As long as I at least get the equivalent performance to this monitor in terms of delay I'll be fine. I'm not a competitive gamer by any means.

 

[3DVagabond]

tftcentral.co.uk does probably the best testing. here's there lag chart for the U2412

For reference they consider anything less than 16ms fine for gaming.

if you would settle for 1080 instead of 1200 there's the 2414H

@ 5.5ms it's faster than stink and cheaper.

Probably not as good though for other tasks besides gaming.

If you want 2414 review and 2412M review. They'll give you a complete review to read of both models.



Edit: I'm not seeing the images anymore. This happens a lot on my end. Hopfully the images are showing for the OP.

 

[at80eighty]

it's cheap - been using the ASUS VS239H-P, and it's surprisingly good. mostly FPS's. matte and bright colours.

 

[bgt]

Dell U2412M

 

[gregr507]

I also have bought two dell u2412m monitors and very much like both

 

[push]

How about the Eizo EV2436W? It's PWM free, which would be nice to not have to worry about, plus prad.de gave it a "very good" review. Anyone have any experience with it? How is there warranty/return for dead pixels? I know with the dell ultrasharps it comes with the "premium display" warranty which is very nice to have.

 

[Aithos]

Umm..no.
I run a Dell U2410 and there's no discernible input lag.
There is also a Gaming mode option which bypasses some of the internal processing circuits for those who need even quicker redraw speed.
The H-IPS image quality is much preferable than a faster TN panel's response time advantage IMO.

I'm sorry that you think that, but all the review sites that measure input/processing lag on these panels tell it differently. Please go look at any IPS review on this website and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Here is a link from the most recent Samsung review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7456/samsung-s27b971d-monitor-review/5

The Asus MX299Q is the one I was talking about, it has sub 10ms input lag which is under 1 frame. It's still not amazing, TN panels have no testable input lag in most cases (a MS or two maybe) but it's better than others. The only ones better than the Asus for IPS/PLS as far as I know are the bypass board Korean ones with a single input (dual-DVI).

Edit: I don't like TFTcentral even though I know a lot of people go by them. Their testing method has changed over the years and often is an "average" and not worst case. But here is a link from them as well http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2412m.htm#input_lag that shows that your u2410 has an average input lag of 15ms even with game mode. The one in the review averages around 10ms but it's max was 20ms. I would never go based on an average, I want to know worst case scenario...20ms is not acceptable for online multiplayer games.

 

[push]

I wish they would go back and hit some of the older screens to put it in context for people with older screens (me). I know my Acer x203w's will likely have less input lag, but they may have a more sizeable lag after the fact since they are 5+ years old. It's nice for benchmarking newer models, but I don't buy new monitors every year so mine sit for a while before replacing.

 

[push]

Ok I'm thinking I may do get two of the Asus PB278Q from Amazon. I'm a prime member, so if I have any problems I can have them take care of it. Opinions?