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Mikewarrior2

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for gaming, you might as well go a64. I personally end up doing lots of video compression work for a restaurant that i help archive their video files for, adn with HT i am able to use my computer with minimal slowdown while doing all the video work. So for me, even if the video is slower than on an A64, the ability have my computer be usable sold the P4C for me.

I don't game nearly as much as i used to :/ . no time

I doubt you'll see intel fans argue this point at all.

mike
 

oldfart

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They are both good platforms. I would not have wanted you to go with a P4 on an 865/875 using SC DDR. Like Mikewarrior2, I do a lot of video encoding work these days. This is the #1 thing that really taxes my system. My P4 2.6C @ 3.3 with HT and 1 Gig of DC DDR really shines in this regard. I'd have a hard time finding anything better at this time. I still do a little gaming here and there and it is no slouch in that dept either.
 

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I agree...you said gaming and I have never argued gaming.....It is when the lies from the left (AMD) say it blanket statements a 3000+ kills a certain speed P4 cpu and not mention gaming.....

I encode, do FH, render, etc. For me I have the optimal system I could buy for the money I spent....enuf said!!!!


I don't understand your PM comment so maybe you can PM me about it!!!!


I have decided to refrain from debating these topics. If I had to fight every battle against most of the lies spread by the predominantly AMD, gaming, "intel is evil", never seem to multitask, never have owned both platform crowds, etc....This would be a full time job....

I don't care what you ppl buy....Either take my opinion and experience or not....
 

mchammer187

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Originally posted by: apoppin
I am really surprised to NOT hear from Intel supporters . . . there used to be quite a vocal group here . . .

Is the A-64 really better bang-for-the-buck even over a moderately O/C'd P4 system? (gaming)
WOW . . . I'm speechless . . . I was going for the P4 before this thread.

No problem . . . I am ordering something this coming week. . . . looks like A-64
(no Athlon XP, please)



EDIT: Thanks for all your help . . . there is a lot of valuable info summarized in this thread.

I am heading to work (to finish paying for this hardware) and will check in later . . . mahalos.

I still like intel but a 2.6C overclocked to 3.0 , 3.2 would be a good choice as well

my setup

2.4C @ 3.0 Ghz
Abit IS-7
2x256 MB Kingston HyperX PC 3500


with a 2.6C that should run you about ~350-400 w/ out case


and I would definitely go this route over non 64-bit Athlons

@ 3.2 Ghz intel is much more pricey and it is not worth it

also keep in mind that prescott is being released on monday though you will probably want to wait for a Socket 775 which probably won't be available till April/ May


so if you want to go for $400 you can certainly hit that with the a 2.6C which still packs quite a bit of punch especially overclocked 3.0 - 3.2 can be attained pretty easily and can
certainly compete with the 64 bit athlons
 

DAPUNISHER

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apoppin, Good to see you around brudda Listen, I'm on a A64 3000+@2.2ghz 440DDR AMD 8151 chipset and for gaming A64 is definitely sweet. However, I have to add a few things, first, I've compared alot of data with Duvie between my Barton 2500+@2.43ghz and my A64 3000+@various speeds up to 2.3ghz and a P4c properly configured, as Duvie's done with his, is quite competitive in the areas where the A64 is inherently strong, paricularly once you consider the advantages of hyperthreading and that the P4c is definitely faster where it's primary strengths already lay. In fact in many areas besides gaming my Barton@2.43ghz 422DDR dual channel synch mode is quite competitive with my A64 setup :Q I chose the A64 over the P4C solely because this A64 has got game! Plus I have multiple systems so multitasking isn't a big concern for me, and I intend to familiarize myself with a 64bit OS as soon as it's available to the general public.

Now, since you're into gaming I'd advise the A64 with the others, but if you are looking for gaming performance that is still very good and the ability to do real multitasking, and/or optimize you system for the best overall media encoding experience then the P4c is my suggestion. As to what to buy for an A64 setup Via is a great choice for a 10% overclock and slightly faster than nF3 overall, and of course there are many good boards to choose from. However, throw that Tom's A64 chipset shootout away! It is flawed! He uses all reference boards which only the SiS755 is faster as a reference board than the single ECS retail board based on the chipset, so all the other boards are slower than retail boards based on the chipset. Also, he uses older, slower drivers for the SiS755 board than Anandtech even though his review came out more than a month after Anand's! Anand's article even states that the version of drivers they used increased performance on the SiS755 enough to make it the fastest. This synch with what most other sites have found, that the SiS755 chipset is faster than Via's, especially in HDD performance. However, until a better board based on the chipset is available it's not a viable option. The single board based on the AMD8151 is as fast as the SiS but it's too expensive so don't even consider it. Besides, they're all very close in real world performance so it's just a matter of price and available retail boards quality and performance

OK brudda, now that I've given you some background on the chipsets for the A64 plaform and the limited options available@the moment, I'll recommend a configuration in your budget, and include a very good hardware audio solution since I didn't see you mention having a good sound card already *pardon me if I missed it*

Albatron K8X800 Pro2 which has the Via K8T800 chipset and Via Envy 24PT Hardware 7.1-Channel Audio-$123 *I know someone with this board and it's excellent, plus the audio is superior to the realtek and C-media onboard solutions if you indeed do not have a sound card*
OCZ Performance series 3500DDR-$115
Antec SX1040BII w/400w Smartpower and 2 80mm fans-$98 shipped *Full sized ATX case so it's easier to work inside of and it has a beefier PSU than the mid towers they sell.
A64 3000+ Retail-$227
total-$563

If you decide to go with a P4c then Duvie will hook you up right

Good luck whatever you decide and post back with some results and subjective review of it :beer:
 

Viper96720

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Re: gaming won't matter really which cpu you went with. Especially if you play at high res. You'll end up vid card limited anyways.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Duvie
I agree...you said gaming and I have never argued gaming.....It is when the lies from the left (AMD) say it blanket statements a 3000+ kills a certain speed P4 cpu and not mention gaming.....

I encode, do FH, render, etc. For me I have the optimal system I could buy for the money I spent....enuf said!!!!


I don't understand your PM comment so maybe you can PM me about it!!!!


I have decided to refrain from debating these topics. If I had to fight every battle against most of the lies spread by the predominantly AMD, gaming, "intel is evil", never seem to multitask, never have owned both platform crowds, etc....This would be a full time job....

I don't care what you ppl buy....Either take my opinion and experience or not....
Thanks a lot (everyone) for the replies . . .

I was kidding Duvie . . . but I will PM you about it . . .

I wasn't looking for debate or an argument; just best bang-4-the-buck for a gamer (I also DO use my computer for work but not as demanding or often; video encoding would be "occasional"; gaming is almost daily).

I also have to say I was surprised . . . I was all set for a P4 system . . . I'll bump this when I have my new A-64 rig built (hopefully by next weekend).

Again, thanks!!!! everyone


EDIT: Just reread your message DAPUNISHER - good to hear from you. I do have a decent soundcard and will go with the A-64 system I posted and edited over and over again in the 1st post. Thanks
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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I didn't read the whole thread but...
Judging on your upgrade frequency wait 6 months for PCI-Ex, BTX cases, Socket-939/Socket-775. If you must buy now, the choice is dependent on whether or not you overclock IMHO. If you do, go Intel; if you don't go AMD.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I didn't read the whole thread but...
Judging on your upgrade frequency wait 6 months for PCI-Ex, BTX cases, Socket-939/Socket-775. If you must buy now, the choice is dependent on whether or not you overclock IMHO. If you do, go Intel; if you don't go AMD.
I can't wait . . . my desktop is going . . . going . . . gone to a neighbor tomorrow.

So i NEED a new desktop and doN'T care to pay for brand new cutting-edge (read:expensive) technology. My next (major) upgrade will be in a year or two; I still think 3000+ will be plenty of muscle for the next gen of videocards.

Unless someone can come up with (new) compelling evidence, I will buy the A-64 system . . . it'll be a change from intel.



 

Markfw

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Thank god AMD finally came out with an idiot-proof HSF. The easiest ever to install (if the retail is like my Silent Boost K8)

I am sure you will enjoy it !!!
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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What is are typical uses for the computer? and do you overclock. Your answer to those two questions will be your best guide. At the very least wait until the Intel price cuts on Monday and Prescott.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
What is are typical uses for the computer? and do you overclock. Your answer to those two questions will be your best guide. At the very least wait until the Intel price cuts on Monday and Prescott.
I am a gamer (primarily).

I do O/C but NEVER bump the voltage (so it'll be a Mild/moderate O/C).

And I have to wait for Monday (anyway) when my credit card will be in hand . . . . there is NO way I am gonna get a Prescott when it is first released (unless Intel is giving them away).

Look at it this way, my main rig has been Intel for the last 4 years . . . I have built older AMD systems but never an Athlon (although I have troubleshot neighbors' Athlon systems) . . .

. . . it's just time for a change . . .
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Looks like your mind is already made up (the Athlon64 is excellent bang for the buck right now) but I'd wait for Prescott anyway because it will drop the price on Northwoods since it is supposed to be replacing them very quickly. Here's a link from theInq so take it with a grain of salt but, interesting nonetheless Text
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Looks like your mind is already made up (the Athlon64 is excellent bang for the buck right now) but I'd wait for Prescott anyway because it will drop the price on Northwoods since it is supposed to be replacing them very quickly. Here's a link from theInq so take it with a grain of salt but, interesting nonetheless Text
Yes, I made up my mind this afternoon after reading and re-reading this thread and related threads and reviews.

It isn't such a big deal to me if prices drop after I buy something (its a "given", anway) . . . perhaps AMD will also drop their CPU prices on Monday to compete with Intel - it's been known to happen ... but I learned to buy something when it is NEEDED and when I HAVE the $$ - making certain it is the best value at the moment and then I don't look back or check prices anymore (buyer's remorse is contraproductive).

I don't remember when it was so cheap to build a near-top-of-the-line rig . . .


 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Looks like your mind is already made up (the Athlon64 is excellent bang for the buck right now) but I'd wait for Prescott anyway because it will drop the price on Northwoods since it is supposed to be replacing them very quickly. Here's a link from theInq so take it with a grain of salt but, interesting nonetheless Text
Yes, I made up my mind this afternoon after reading and re-reading this thread and related threads and reviews.

It isn't such a big deal to me if prices drop after I buy something (its a "given", anway) . . . perhaps AMD will also drop their CPU prices on Monday to compete with Intel - it's been known to happen ... but I learned to buy something when it is NEEDED and when I HAVE the $$ - making certain it is the best value at the moment and then I don't look back or check prices anymore (buyer's remorse is contraproductive).

I don't remember when it was so cheap to build a near-top-of-the-line rig . . .

Well said. I agree..... In all respects.

 

apoppin

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UPDATE: After having my HEART set on an A-64, I went to NewEgg to order . . . the case price went up. the RAM was off-special and the MB I wanted was UNavailable and the SUBstitutions went OVER my budget . . . so I spent the whole morning REcalculating . . .

What changed my mind about the A-64 is the expected $30-40 price drop NEXT week and the P$ has ALREADY dropped . . . so, here's what I ordered:

CPU- P4/2.8CGHz 800M - $183
MB - ABIT IC7 i875P - $119
DDRAM - 2 x 256MB PC3500 MUSHKIN - $122 (I can have dual-channel right away)
CASE - ASPIRE XDREAMER ATX BGE (seems like a decent 350w - gotta save) -$42

sub TOTAL $467 before s&h (or just under $520 shipped to me in CA)

ANY LAST MINUTE suggeestions? I can STILL change the order


Sure . . . Oh, I got a free t-shirt.
 

DAPUNISHER

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That setup will make you happy You could check Zipzoomfly.com to see if the A64 parts you wanted are listed since their pricing is just as good and they do the same free shipping.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
That setup will make you happy You could check Zipzoomfly.com to see if the A64 parts you wanted are listed since their pricing is just as good and they do the same free shipping.
thanks .. .

The P4 system will be fine . . . I gave up on A-64 simply due to AMD's unwillingness to (quickly) match P4's [lowered] pricing.

I'll update when I finally BUILD this system (hopefully this weekend) . . .
(EDIT: It looks like it gets shipped out TODAY! . . .
. . . only my credit card is hurtin')


 

apoppin

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Well, well, I ordered my P4 system YESTERDAY from Newegg and it arrived TODAY . . . after my nap, I will begin building it .

For $42 - the X-dreamer in Beige (with it's temp readout) - is downright sexy.


I don't remember how to read Intel CPU steppings anymore - mine is a 2.80C with a pack date of 12/27/03 (costa rica) - hopefully it WILL O/C; I should have an O/C'ing UPdate (hopefully) soon.

too bad amd wasn't SMART enough to match intel's lowered prices.
 

apoppin

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Wow, that was fast . . .

I agonized over this last week; decided - with your help - this weekend; changed my mind AND ordered Tuesday from NewEgg - it Arrived YESTERDAY and I put it together last night (before midnight) and O/C'd it this am.

Anyway - it went together really nice . . . the Aspire X-dreamer is a decent case with no sharp edges and plenty of room (for a BUDGET case).

Gotta LOVE the new P4 HS/fan - SO EASY to install.

Evidently I got all the connections right 'cause it booted right up and I did a new install of Win2K.

This AM I tried a mild 10% O/C (220x4 FSB) with no problems then pushed it to 228x4 (3.2Ghz) and Win set up . . . all without messing with timings or ratios . . . guess I gotta head over to O/C'ing forum to see how to maximize my performance.

THE BAD NEWS - my Radeon 8500-128 has become DEFECTIVE (checkerboard pattern and fuzzy graphic) - mfortunately it's under warranty but I am STUCK WITH AN 8MB PCI VID CARD (for now).

I also stuck in my older and slower HD by mistake (I was tired) and reversed my DVD/CDROM's physical order . . . so I won't post further updates here . . . I may join in other threads after I get my machine completely TOGETHER, optimized and benchmarked (over the next 10 days or so - I AM busy with my regular life).

Anyway, so-far, so-good.

Thanks for your help and participation!

Mahalo and aloha
 

oldfart

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Nice choice of components.

With Win2K, you dont have Hyperthreading support. You may want to think about WinXP. 3.2 GHz is pushing it with the stock HS/fan. You may want to upgrade that as well.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: oldfart
Nice choice of components.

With Win2K, you dont have Hyperthreading support. You may want to think about WinXP. 3.2 GHz is pushing it with the stock HS/fan. You may want to upgrade that as well.
Thank-you! It wss the best I could do on a very limited budget (I sold my old rig and - to be fair - it only cost me $200 net-total for the upgrade).

How important really IS HT? It seems that it's performance increase is still rather limited due to lack of apps (for me: games).

Admittedly, I didn't do any benchs, but Win seemed stable at 3.2 Ghz simply by raising the FSB . . . no messing with RAM timings or voltage increases . . . CPU temps continued around 45*C.

Can you point me to any (really helpful/ all-in-one place) threads in O/C'ing that deal with the fine-tuning my O/C?

 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: oldfart
Nice choice of components.

With Win2K, you dont have Hyperthreading support. You may want to think about WinXP. 3.2 GHz is pushing it with the stock HS/fan. You may want to upgrade that as well.

Hyperthreading works in win2k. Its not officially supported by intel for reason unknown to me, but there are very significant performance increases with HT in win2k pro.
 
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