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Bilirubin

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I may have SVGA to DVI adapter around here somewhere in which case I will be able to leave that slot open should I run hot.

Sure enough, have one in the drawer of this desk. Is there an advantage to using the adapter off the DVI or should I not worry about it unless I need the extra ventilation?
 

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Sure enough, have one in the drawer of this desk. Is there an advantage to using the adapter off the DVI or should I not worry about it unless I need the extra ventilation?

I would just make sure your GPU temps aren't above 80C when gaming. If they are, removing that port from the PCI slot could add some extra ventilation. Without seeing what the inside of the system looks like, it's hard to know whether all the heat will be trapped inside a portion of the case. With the card nearly touching the side of the case, there isn't much room for hot air to rise.
 

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Thanks Termie.

One of the reviews on Newegg was a fellow who also installed it in his Acer Aspire. He says after 25 minutes of World of Tanks jacks the temperature to 75, and he is considering drilling holes in the case above the GPU. I will monitor the temperature closely this evening while playing some L4D2 just to see how it goes.
 
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GoStumpy

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I just purchased that Zotac GT430 because of this thread $29.99 after MIR in Canada.. That's awesome!! Thanks again!
 

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According to this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3973/nvidias-geforce-gt-430/17

GT430 and GT240 are almost exactly the same... GT240 uses 4W more at idle, and 1W more under load... Hardly 40-50% I'd say?

He pulls numbers out of his ass all the time. My friendly advice is to not engage in discussion with such a character. It's unfortunate that the forum doesn't have an option for blanking out blocked posters in quoted messages, thus preventing me from avoiding his nonsense.

My apologies for the OP for this off-topic post but it seems like you have achieved what you wanted (congrats), so I hope you don't mind. I just wanted to leave some clue to the moderation in the forum before I go away (again).


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He pulls numbers out of his ass all the time. My friendly advice is to not engage in discussion with such a character. It's unfortunate that the forum doesn't have an option for blanking out blocked posters in quoted messages, thus preventing me from avoiding his nonsense.

My apologies for the OP for this off-topic post but it seems like you have achieved what you wanted (congrats), so I hope you don't mind. I just wanted to leave some clue to the moderation in the forum before I go away (again).
wtf is your problem? I already replied to him saying I was referring to the gddr5 model which does use more power. I cross checked the power consumption of the Palit gt240 gddr5 and Zotac gt430 on techpowerup.com and it does use up to 50% more power in the reviews I saw. maybe it was just that particular card that techpowerup tested but I did not just make up something. really you had no reason for accusing me of pulling numbers out of my ass and being a jerk like that. if anything I normally link right to my proof so here you go.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GT_430/26.html

Zotac gt430
max 51 watts
peak 42 watts



http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GT_240_Sonic/28.html

Palit gt240 gddr5
max 85 watts
peak 63 watts


so thats where I got the 40-50% from. in fact max difference is 65%. the Palit gt240 does appear to be oced by about 7% so that will impact it a little though and that's why I said a 40-50% difference. and all I was trying to do is help the OP so if anything its your character that needs to be checked. I can make mistakes like anyone else but accusing me of routinely pulling numbers out of my ass is a outright lie.
 
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Bilirubin

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I would just make sure your GPU temps aren't above 80C when gaming. If they are, removing that port from the PCI slot could add some extra ventilation. Without seeing what the inside of the system looks like, it's hard to know whether all the heat will be trapped inside a portion of the case. With the card nearly touching the side of the case, there isn't much room for hot air to rise.

Damn, hit 83 while playing. Will try to open up the PCI slot and see how that helps tomorrow. No video artifacts at least.
 

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Honestly, I have seen some low profile setups get in the low 90s and have no problems at all. I know a guy who has a very similar setup but a gtx 240. his always hits about 90 and slightly over. That is a little warm i know but its been running that way for 2yrs. I am just saying.

My highly overclocked gtx460 will reach 83c when stressed hard. Its been running fine line that for 1yr+. I dont care if it blows up, its been a hell of a value!!!!

Anyway, If 83 is too hot for you then you could case mod. I seen some ppl try drilling holes (lots of holes) above the card for extra ventilation. they did a decent job in a pattern and it drop the temps around 4 to 5 degrees.

Honestly i think you will be okay at 83. Even 85. Its hot i know but I am not afraid, having seen fan-less GPUs run at 93c with no problems i know these cards can handle it.

btw, nvidia gives the max at 98c,

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gt-430-us.html

You got a warranty, i dont see any issue with 83c at all. some ppl will find it unacceptable but i dont think they have used many crammed cases with low profile or fanless GPUs. They run hot and most owner never ever check them!
 

Bilirubin

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Thanks for the extra info ocre. I removed the VGA port (am running with the DVI adapter now) to open up the rear but there are already lots of ventilation along the side near the card's location so I'm not sure how much that might help. After my morning's meetings I'll post up a few pictures. I'm not going to worry about it unless I start getting artifacts.

Game is so smooth now, its really changed the entire experience (and I logged a lot of hours with the crappy framerate).
 

Termie

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Oh, I was thinking the empty PCI slot was on the other side of the card (i.e. on the fan side)...a picture tells a thousand words!

Yes, that case is starving your card of fresh air. That being said, it would do the same thing to any video card - at least this one has a fan - a passive card would really be starving for air. And it's quite amazing that this tiny card more or less was the largest card you could possibly fit in there.

Well, I think you just have to run with it. You're enjoying gaming a whole lot more now, and you haven't spent a ton on the hardware. I like to keep HWMonitor running in the background while I game - perhaps you should too, and in a worst case scenario, you could just remove the side panel while gaming. That could make a big difference in this instance, although I applaud Acer for at least including vent holes near the VGA fan itself.
 
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GoStumpy

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Unless you're willing to cut a 120mm hole right above the video card, it looks like you're stuck!

Perhaps you can look forward to a new case in your near future? Keeping an eye out on sales, I've found some good cases in the $40-$50shipped price range, that can be used now and in future builds
 

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Unless you're willing to cut a 120mm hole right above the video card, it looks like you're stuck!

Perhaps you can look forward to a new case in your near future? Keeping an eye out on sales, I've found some good cases in the $40-$50shipped price range, that can be used now and in future builds

Take out card drill some air holes in case where the fan is located, problem solved.
 

Bilirubin

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Maybe I should consider it a feature? -- Built in coffee cup warmer

Will keep an eye out for cases on sale. I gave it another brief test spin this am with the PCI slot open and it cooled off much quicker than last night. Still hit a max of 83, unless the max temp didn't reset on launch this am, didn't think to check that. As long as there are no visual artifacts I'll just enjoy the minispace heater.
 

Bilirubin

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Hit 91 during an extended L4D2 session. Opening the case dropped things to 80. Friend recommended EVGA Precision to up the fan speed. Thoughts on this plan?
 
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Bilirubin

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Wow that will up my WEI to 6.6 from 3.4 for video.

Actually, putting this new card in (even if not top of the line) jumped my overall WEI from 3.3 to 5.9, my vid WEI from 3.3 to 6.7, and freed my RAM up so that it jumped from 4.7 to 7.1 (same as the CPU rating--had no idea it was such a good processor). Now the bottleneck is the HD access speed.

...and so it begins. Upgradeitis.
 

toyota

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lol, the bottleneck for gaming though is still your new gt430 by a long shot.
 

Bilirubin

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lol

Well, lurking the forums now to get up to speed on hardware trends to find that sweet spot between performance and cost for the next system. Lots to learn.
 

Termie

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Indeed. I just cranked Portal to full native resolution and the card hit 99 before I remembered to reopen the case

Ugh...that's hot! I'm glad popping the case open is working - it seems that's your best option for now. There probably isn't a good way to mount a fan in that case that will do any good. Curse of OEM cases - not necessarily of small cases...
 
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