Best Buy rebate forms disallowing price match

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agent2099

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Sep 8, 2002
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What's the big deal? Isn't it Best Buy's right to decide what their own policy is? I don't see a problem with this as long as they are not being misleading or fraudulent. My only problem is when companies advertise that they will pricematch, or give a rebate, and they don't honor the pricematch or rebate they advertised!


Stating it up front that they will not honor the rebate if you pricematched is a GOOD thing. Better you know before you purchase the item then afterwards, when your rebate is denied and you don't know why.
 

weepul

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question is if u bought the item beforehand, and fotocopied everything and got it ready to be mailed, then PMed (before removing the UPC), how would they ever know?

//krunk (^_^x)
 

devilish

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Jan 17, 2001
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Weepul,
It's easy for them to figure out if you did a pricematch.
You send in the rebate then wait 29 days from date of purchase to do the PM. Prior to doing the PM you get an email saying that they received your rebate request and you should get it in about 30 days. Well they check out your transaction information orr the copy of the receipt you sent in just before they send out the check. They look for refunds and now price matching transactions since all can be found by the transaction history.
This should not affect manufacturer rebates, only BB rebates. I just thought of something, if a manufacturer rebate is only good for purchases at BB, (maxtor does these for instance) this new rule might apply to those rebates. I'm sure many will test the new rule. Good Luck!
 

nebula

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I guess the one thing we have going for us is BB doesn't usually have very many deals. It seems like it always PM'ing at another store to BB's price. Good thing I just got my Logi rebate the other day...
 

OrlandoTiger

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Originally posted by: agent2099
What's the big deal? Isn't it Best Buy's right to decide what their own policy is? I don't see a problem with this as long as they are not being misleading or fraudulent. My only problem is when companies advertise that they will pricematch, or give a rebate, and they don't honor the pricematch or rebate they advertised!


Stating it up front that they will not honor the rebate if you pricematched is a GOOD thing. Better you know before you purchase the item then afterwards, when your rebate is denied and you don't know why.
Of course its their right to change their policy.Dont hold it against a few of us if we grumble because they did.

Happily it will also be our right to find the companies that arent looking for new ways to restrict coupons with rebates or pricematches etc and support them on a large scale.
 

pspada

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
bb is a piece of crap and run, for the most part, by monkeys

I'm afraid I don't concur. Monkeys are way to high on the evolutionary ladder to run burstbuy. I'm thinking parameciums.
 

dew042

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Judging from comments on this forum:

1) BB is supposed to lose money in order to get you to shop there
2) Let deal getters bend the system to get products at below cost


If you for one second think saavy comsumers like yourself were not directly responsible for changes like these - you are seriously mistaken. I like a hotdeal as much as the next person, and I WILL take advantage of a situation if i can, but these deals are a privilage - not a RIGHT!

As someone who fields returns and technical questions all day everyday at a BB store I can also tell you that a large percentage of people who come to us are ethical and morally challenged. The vast array of customer expectations in today's market blows the mind. Since when are companies' responsible for giving you product at below cost, returning items which the consumer has physically broken, or even better yet - dropped in water??? I see this day in and out.

Take one second that think about the other side of the story. How would you feel if everyday someone came into your livingroom and took something of yours because they 'deserved' it? If you believe a companies' main purpose if to give you a product at below cost then very soon there will be no retailers what-so-ever. The probelm with modern America is ENTITLEMENT - plain and simple. If you don't like the policy - go elsewhere.

I don't feel sorry for folks when policies get tightened - If they were abused - then they need to be changed.

dew.
 

Wag

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Jul 21, 2000
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What are you talking about?

You think even with store rebates they are selling items below cost? Of course not- Store rebates are scams. BB could easily offer the item at that price on sale- but instead they offer a rebate hoping that you'll either: A. Forget to send it in or B. Never follow through if they "forget" to send out a check.
 

PLaYaHaTeD

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I FVCKING HATE REBATES!!!!! Just like wag said, they are betting that american lazy fvcks purchase the item based on the lower cost, but dont get around to put in the work of fulfilling the rebate.

I just got my own apt. and i went with bellsouth telephone/internet/long distance because they claim all this "cash back". Turns out i have to chase them around to mail me out these rebate coupons to get the "cash bacK".

The coupons finally come, but no...not all of them, 2 out of 5. More chasing for fvcking coupons. And when you send them in, they take 8-10 weeks to process.

JUST GIVE ME THE DAMN DEAL UPFRONT. Right now at this very moment i have rebates *pending* in the double digits. It feels like i need to buy a PDA just to manage my rebates. Bull SHIIITTTTTT

Whew i feel better now. :beer:
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: dew042
Judging from comments on this forum:

1) BB is supposed to lose money in order to get you to shop there
2) Let deal getters bend the system to get products at below cost


If you for one second think saavy comsumers like yourself were not directly responsible for changes like these - you are seriously mistaken. I like a hotdeal as much as the next person, and I WILL take advantage of a situation if i can, but these deals are a privilage - not a RIGHT!

As someone who fields returns and technical questions all day everyday at a BB store I can also tell you that a large percentage of people who come to us are ethical and morally challenged. The vast array of customer expectations in today's market blows the mind. Since when are companies' responsible for giving you product at below cost, returning items which the consumer has physically broken, or even better yet - dropped in water??? I see this day in and out.

Take one second that think about the other side of the story. How would you feel if everyday someone came into your livingroom and took something of yours because they 'deserved' it? If you believe a companies' main purpose if to give you a product at below cost then very soon there will be no retailers what-so-ever. The probelm with modern America is ENTITLEMENT - plain and simple. If you don't like the policy - go elsewhere.

I don't feel sorry for folks when policies get tightened - If they were abused - then they need to be changed.

dew.

Please don't take this the wrong way, as these comments are directed at BestBuy the corporation, not you. I've spent a few years in retail too, and it's not always easy.

But the biggest complaint that I could have about BestBuy, and why I pretty much don't buy anything there anymore, is the number of electronics/computer items that my friends and I have purchased, sealed, sold as new-in-box, and yet when we get home and open them up, the item is obviously used, and usually missing some parts. This is *UNACCEPTABLE*. As much as there are customers that try to scam BestBuy (really too bad how morally bankrupt both the customers and corporations both have become), the fact is that the store employees are also too clueless as to be able to judge whether all of the parts are included, and even moreso, the fact that used items are regularly shrink-wrapped and resold as new at BestBuy. This "problem" has occurred at several stores, not just one, and seems to be an intentional thing.

As for the "abuse" of all of these hot deals, then maybe mfg's and stores should stop trying to illegitimately MANIPULATE the customer. If they simply offered a "good deal" up-front, without all of these manipulative psychological "gimmicks", then maybe customers wouldn't be driven, or in fact able, to create these "engineered" deals. It's the store's own fault, really.

I've change my mind somewhat on rebates, I believe that the high-dollar ones, and especially the "free after rebate" ones, are an *intentional* fraudulent scam, at least within the computer industry. Most of the other industries that rebates are offered, such as more mundane things like toothpaste and shaving cream, are usually a valid discount, when applied to purchases of multiple items. I've very rarely heard of anyone, outside of the computer biz, getting screwed by rebates that never show up.

I mean, how can any legitimate profit-oriented business make money on items that they are ostensibly (on the surface) giving away to customers for free? They CANT. So, in order for the company to *make money*, they have to *create* ways to *deny* those rebates. As such, the initial offer on it's face is FRAUD on the consumer. Those sorts of rebate offers should be BANNED BY LAW, PERIOD. (IMHO)

I downloaded a nice little PDF of a complain on the ftc.gov site, related to the Okie/Prime Peripherals CD-ROM (and other item) rebates, and what the company did, that lends credence to the idea that these rebate deals are in fact fraudulent on their face. The company started changing the terms of the rebate offer after-the-fact, in an attempt to deny a larger number of rebates.

You know, my parents used to tell me, "if it seems too good to be true, it probably is". So is it with rebates in the computer industry. Nothing is "free".

This rant has strayed a bit from the original topic, but if BestBuy doesn't want these "engineered deals" happening, then they need to stop trying to con the customer as well. This applies to pretty much every other store and computer industry mfg as well. If they want to play a con game, then it's fair play to con them too.
 

mrwade

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Everyone should write to Best Buy and complain about this change in rebate terms. Best buy advertises that it will match prices of certain competitors. They also advertise rebates if you purchase the item from them. They should not be incompatible. Why should a rebate be based on the price you pay? This opens the door for many rebate denials forcing you to spend too much time to get them honored. For instance, suppose you buy an item at Best Buy for $100 with $10 rebate, then a few days later the item is on sale for $90 still iwth the rebate, you get a price adjustment, will your rebate be denied because the transaction # shows price adjustment?

Don't feel too sorry for poor Best Buy. Remember they are the one that advertised a GeForce card to preorder at a savings of over $200 for a price of $139, then after taking many orders changed price to $399 and cancelled orders. Then issued gift cards to try to make up, stores issued rain checks and some were honored, some customers had the police called on them for trying te redeem a rain check. Best buy also advertises after Thanksgiving sale and when you get to the store 15 minutes after they open, why the sale items are "sold out".

The retailers are out to get as much dollars as they can from you. Years ago the "fair trade" laws that allowed manufacturers to control prices and prevent discounting were repealed. Now they are back in disguise. Notice how all the advertised prices for major manufacturer items are always the same. The prices are controlled again, now by saying that the manufacturer won't pay for the advertising if the price is not what they want. This is WRONG! This is price fixing and congress should make it illegal.
 

zippin44

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Best Buy - What a joke!!! I've had way to many bad experiences with them. Best Buy is suck. I ignore them.
 

frankqfrank

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Originally posted by: mrwade
Everyone should write to Best Buy and complain about this change in rebate terms. Best buy advertises that it will match prices of certain competitors. They also advertise rebates if you purchase the item from them. They should not be incompatible. Why should a rebate be based on the price you pay?

They have every right to change their policies. I'm sure these changes will be advertised, as already pointed out in the rebate terms on the form. If a certain policy is no longer advantageous to a company, you still want them to keep it? Everyone knows these retailer's play the rebate games because it's to their advantage. As many people have pointed out, a certain percentage won't submit the rebate, a certain percentage will submit it improperly, and even maybe a certain percentage will get "lost in the mail." They're betting on it, and apparently winning (as rebates have become prolific.) This is where their benefit lies, as most people realize. It was clear they were losing money on a loophole in their policy so they changed it. I'm surprised it took them this long.

Originally posted by: mrwade
Remember they are the one that advertised a GeForce card to preorder at a savings of over $200 for a price of $139, then after taking many orders changed price to $399 and cancelled orders.

It was a typo. I have no love for BB, but some people around here are like blood-thirsty mongrels. Let's get a lynch mob together when a company won't honor a typo.


 

pxc

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Does "price adjusted" also include open box discounts? Because that's how they're entered.
 

OrlandoTiger

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Originally posted by: dew042
Judging from comments on this forum:

1) BB is supposed to lose money in order to get you to shop there
2) Let deal getters bend the system to get products at below cost


If you for one second think saavy comsumers like yourself were not directly responsible for changes like these - you are seriously mistaken. I like a hotdeal as much as the next person, and I WILL take advantage of a situation if i can, but these deals are a privilage - not a RIGHT!

As someone who fields returns and technical questions all day everyday at a BB store I can also tell you that a large percentage of people who come to us are ethical and morally challenged. The vast array of customer expectations in today's market blows the mind. Since when are companies' responsible for giving you product at below cost, returning items which the consumer has physically broken, or even better yet - dropped in water??? I see this day in and out.

Take one second that think about the other side of the story. How would you feel if everyday someone came into your livingroom and took something of yours because they 'deserved' it? If you believe a companies' main purpose if to give you a product at below cost then very soon there will be no retailers what-so-ever. The probelm with modern America is ENTITLEMENT - plain and simple. If you don't like the policy - go elsewhere.

I don't feel sorry for folks when policies get tightened - If they were abused - then they need to be changed.

dew.
People trying to rip you off if you are a business owner is just a fact you have to deal with if you are BB or if you are the smallest operation.Its not right,but thats how it is.

dew,give me 1/10 of 1% of BB's net and everyday you can come into my house and pick an item, and if its heavy I promise to help get it to your truck for free (some of it you can sell as open box in your store!).With just a portion of those profits,I can handle lots of entitlement and you'll never hear a whine from me.

BB is hurting? C'mon... They are just whining.

 

chocoruacal

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Bleh....who cares. Best Buy has never exactly been a GOOD DEAL. They're just a bloated CD store....their AV dept sucks (Bose is their "top of the line"...thats laughable) and they never have any good comp deals.
 

frankqfrank

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Originally posted by: chocoruacal
Bleh....who cares. Best Buy has never exactly been a GOOD DEAL. They're just a bloated CD store....their AV dept sucks (Bose is their "top of the line"...thats laughable) and they never have any good comp deals.

I never really liked the store either. I've bought all my TV's, biggest a 36" VVEGA, from H.H. Gregg. I like the store, you can haggle with the sales people and they won't remind you 14 times that you MUST GET A SEVICE PLAN OR YOUR TV WILL EXPLODE.
 

craaazycarl

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It was explained to me that this policy DOES apply to any modified price. If the person at the register manually changes the price, you get no best buy rebates. But thats just what my senior told me. And what I tell the customers. Frustrating cuz now it will be harder to move the open box stuff.:frown:
 

DVDKing

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So I take it that this change in policy applies to both instore and online ? Has anyone received a print out of the in-store rebate form with the change noted there ? It seems like an on-line deal only at this time. What if they lower their own price say a week after you purchase the item ? Then you don't get the rebate if you pricematch ? That's really lame.
 

allisolm

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Be careful with those 10% off coupons and rebates. The following is taken from another forum:

" just used my 10% coupon to buy something and a BestBuy rebate printed out. The rebate's "terms and conditions" says "Items which have been ... price adjusted ... will no longer be eligible for this rebate."

I called to verify with the rebate center and was told that the 10% coupon constitutes price adjustment (thus no rebate for me)."
 

3point14

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I just called 1-888-MOLESTBUY and they said the same thing about the 10% off coupon. Any price adjustment would result in rebate being invalid. So, as everyone says...


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