Best car to mod?

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Yeah, I'll also say that I was shocked at how low Corvette insurance is. Don't ask me why, but it's just surprisingly low.

It's low because a majority of them are weekend toys driven by older folks. It keeps their records relatively clean with the insurance companies.

My insurance went up going to my Sky Redline, a 2 liter turbo I4 that makes 260hp. You'll be pleasantly surprised I think.

 

[bananapeel42]

Yes, it's an 03. it's only got 390 horsepower and doesn't cost as much as the vette though, why would insurance be higher?

Well, it's not cheap either, you don't see a bunch of 16 year old's running around with cobra's, but then again more older people definitely tend to vette's so I have have to imagine that's the reason behind the cheaper insurance as they aren't raced or driven hard as much.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Yes, it's an 03. it's only got 390 horsepower and doesn't cost as much as the vette though, why would insurance be higher?

Well, it's not cheap either, you don't see a bunch of 16 year old's running around with cobra's, but then again more older people definitely tend to vette's so I have have to imagine that's the reason behind the cheaper insurance as they aren't raced or driven hard as much.

I think a further reason is that many people buy Vettes as 'fashion/class' statements, and have absolutely no intention to ever drive them hard or fast.

People buy Cobras for one reason only : being able to haul ass, and doing it frequently in any likelihood.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Yes, it's an 03. it's only got 390 horsepower and doesn't cost as much as the vette though, why would insurance be higher?

Well, it's not cheap either, you don't see a bunch of 16 year old's running around with cobra's, but then again more older people definitely tend to vette's so I have have to imagine that's the reason behind the cheaper insurance as they aren't raced or driven hard as much.

I think a further reason is that many people buy Vettes as 'fashion/class' statements, and have absolutely no intention to ever drive them hard or fast.

People buy Cobras for one reason only : being able to haul ass, and doing it frequently in any likelihood.

Terminators yes...convertible cobras are a popular chick car here...we call them the redneck millionaires.

 

[bananapeel42]

HAHAHAHAH. guess what people call your 240sx?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
HAHAHAHAH. guess what people call your 240sx?

you'd be wrong...I doubt many people have stopped you in the street though to buy your 'mustang' though.

I have had two offers for $15k+ by adults.

you are so clueless it's not even funny. You know shit about cars...you statement above about insurance being based on car cost was pretty funny.

Anyway I am really beginning to question if your 'cobra' is yours and not a parents along with the V6 mustang and the sub $2000 SUV you are looking for (probably going to be your car)....

You say alot of odd things for someone that was really building a serious street mustang.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Terminators yes...convertible cobras are a popular chick car here...we call them the redneck millionaires.

Hahah, yeah, I agree, they are basically that.


I'd take a Roush Mustang over a Shelby anyday, although I wouldn't mind a Shelby.

 

[bananapeel42]

I own a 2007 Windveil Blue Mustang V-6 with no options and it's a 5spd, my wife drives it 95% of the time. My car is of course the 03 cobra.

I'm not building a serious street car, like I said before, i put 1400 bucks into my car, how is that building a serious street car?

I want a 2000 dollar jeep / suv so I can stop putting miles on the cobra on a daily basis and have a means to actually get something home from the store, but I don't want to spend 2000 dollars cash right now.


You are the typical import tuner guy that has so much hate built up it doesn't make sense. I'm not hating on a 240sx, but saying that the car is more desirable than my Cobra? You gotta be joking man, if you honestly could tell me if you took a sample of 10 random people who were car enthusiasts, that 2 of the 10 would choose your fucking 240sx.

I enjoy all kinds of cars, mostly American muscle, I'll give you that, but I did have a 2006 Eclipse GT with a 6spd very briefly so I don't hate imports or anything. I nearly bought an Evo XIII as well.

You just seem to have something against American cars and the "stupid" people that lie about their numbers, times, etc.

Car cost definitely is one of the variables in in the equation insurers use to determine your premium. Are you fucking retarded? Well, yes you are according to everyone else here but anyway...

If the car cost 45,000 to replace if totalled, that'll make the premium higher than on a comparable car that cost 12,000, that's an absolute fact. Of course that's not the only determining factor by any means, but it does play a role, it's basic common sense, which you obviously have none of.


It's obvious as I already posted a Dyno sheet from my Cobra proving you wrong once, do you really think my Cobra isn't mine? I just would like a mod to ban you if I post up a picture of my Cobra and other mustang, it'd do everyone here a favor. You want me to scan the paperwork from both my mustangs showing you where I bought them too? How about my signature? I can do all of that, but I want someone to ban you if I do, that's the only way it'd be worthwhile.


You think my Cobra isn't mine? I'm now 24 years old and married and haven't lived at home since my sophmore year in college.

The fact is, you think your 240sx is soooo nice, and while it's a solid car for what it is, the car is desirable in a niche market, and you can't deny that, as not everyone wants to drop tons of cash into it to make it a drifting car, track car, etc.

I had a 2006 Mustang GT w/ a 5spd about a year or so ago and got beaten pretty good by a 240sx turbo, so I know they can be built, but it doesn't change the fact that most people would desire a Mustang of that class over a 240sx man.

He ran at 12.4 at 112 while I ran a 13.1 at 107 btw.





And YES, I have had many offers since I've owned the car from people wanting to know if I'd be willing to part with my car. Not to mention the countless compliments I get on how it looks.

 

[BlackTigers]

Damn man, someone loves Mustangs.

OP; GTO maybe?

 

[alkemyst]

You are the one hating man...you are the one thinking the Cobra is the end all be all.

Just the fact when I said something about a convertable and then you attack my car direcly.

Then you play the cost game, yet you can't afford more than a $2000 SUV yet talk about how making 800HP cars is 'cheap and easy'.

I am just responding you don't make sense and how, then you come back with "HAHAHA 240SX" "LOLZ RICER", WTF? You say I am a niche market...so it a supercharged mustang.

Cars insurance rates are more affected by theft and accidents and LIKELYHOOD of those two events than pure sticker price. Sticker price really doesn't have a lot to do with it at all. I was looking at an older ZR1 back in 1997, it's price was about the same as the new cars I was looking at. I can't remember the exact numbers but the ZR1 was several thousand dollars more a year to insure at my age at the time over equal priced Mustang GT and Firebirds I was looking at which were a few hundred a month.

Again I think you are pretty wrong about the Mustang GT vs well set up 240SX...but you own one so you are biased.

I have owned a 1966 GT and 1988 GT.

I am pretty amazed countless people realize you are driving anything other than a mustang though. I questioned your ownership because you listed the V6 mustang too. I usually only see kids listing every car in their driveway in a 'post YOUR car' thread....

As far as dumping money into any car. Most like yourself seem to need to be able to finance what they will drive if the car will be worthwhile. I don't have that problem at the level I am looking (sub $40k)...I'd rather not have the car payments unless it was a 3% or less loan, but then almost any new car kills that deal based on the hit you take in value.

I'd try to find a better argument against another car than 'value'/price unless you are talking yuppie rather than race.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Again I think you are pretty wrong about the Mustang GT vs well set up 240SX...but you own one so you are biased.

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
I had a 2006 Mustang GT w/ a 5spd about a year or so ago and got beaten pretty good by a 240sx turbo, so I know they can be built, but it doesn't change the fact that most people would desire a Mustang of that class over a 240sx man.

He ran at 12.4 at 112 while I ran a 13.1 at 107 btw.

So now do you think that the Mustangs are faster or whatever, Alke?

 

[bananapeel42]

Wait, your saying you'll pay cash for a 40k car? HAHAHAHAHA


I never called you or the 240sx a ricer though, I even said i respected the car for what it is. But, what do you think automatically comes to peoples minds? Don't delude yourself.

I have bills, student loans from my wife and I, mortgage, insurance, bla bla bla that most normal people out of college have so there isn't a way I'm dropping 40k cash. No, I don't want to drop 2000 from savings on something I don't "need" either.


My both my cars are financed through PenFed at 4.25% I can afford a 2000 dollar car, lol.

You are so full of shit.

Are you kidding me? I never said the Cobra is the end all be all, I'd rather have a C6, which I said in another thread.


I never said the cost of the car is the only factor, if you don't think it is you're still retarded.

I'm glad you're rich though being able to afford 40k cars with cash, why do you drive the 240sx again? Shouldn't it be a fully built track monster by now?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Again I think you are pretty wrong about the Mustang GT vs well set up 240SX...but you own one so you are biased.

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
I had a 2006 Mustang GT w/ a 5spd about a year or so ago and got beaten pretty good by a 240sx turbo, so I know they can be built, but it doesn't change the fact that most people would desire a Mustang of that class over a 240sx man.

He ran at 12.4 at 112 while I ran a 13.1 at 107 btw.

So now do you think that the Mustangs are faster or whatever, Alke?

I think reading comprehension is not your forte.

However, only an idiot would try and claim a 'make' can smoke everything from another 'make'.

Fact is it's going to come down to money in a Mustang vs 240SX race.

Stock US model 240sx's were never fast nor quick though in a drag.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Again I think you are pretty wrong about the Mustang GT vs well set up 240SX...but you own one so you are biased.

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
I had a 2006 Mustang GT w/ a 5spd about a year or so ago and got beaten pretty good by a 240sx turbo, so I know they can be built, but it doesn't change the fact that most people would desire a Mustang of that class over a 240sx man.

He ran at 12.4 at 112 while I ran a 13.1 at 107 btw.

So now do you think that the Mustangs are faster or whatever, Alke?

I think reading comprehension is not your forte.

However, only an idiot would try and claim a 'make' can smoke everything from another 'make'.

Fact is it's going to come down to money in a Mustang vs 240SX race.

Stock US model 240sx's were never fast nor quick though in a drag.

Ah, I see.

You're talking about the other Mustang GT mentioned in his post....?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Wait, your saying you'll pay cash for a 40k car? HAHAHAHAHA


I never called you or the 240sx a ricer though, I even said i respected the car for what it is. But, what do you think automatically comes to peoples minds? Don't delude yourself.

I have bills, student loans from my wife and I, mortgage, insurance, bla bla bla that most normal people out of college have so there isn't a way I'm dropping 40k cash. No, I don't want to drop 2000 from savings on something I don't "need" either.


My both my cars are financed through PenFed at 4.25% I can afford a 2000 dollar car, lol.

You are so full of shit.

Are you kidding me? I never said the Cobra is the end all be all, I'd rather have a C6, which I said in another thread.


I never said the cost of the car is the only factor, if you don't think it is you're still retarded.

I'm glad you're rich though being able to afford 40k cars with cash, why do you drive the 240sx again? Shouldn't it be a fully built track monster by now?

My point was your cobra nor my 240sx were a $2000 car.

you are the one that said I am just an import guy...hardly. Another project I was actively involved in was my fathers 96 EB Bronco with a 408 in it...fully built.

As far as 'import' goes I will more than likely be putting an LS1 / T56 in my 240sx.

 

[bananapeel42]

You gonna pay 40k cash for it? Don't act all high and mighty and say you can afford any car sub 40k with cash then sidestep talking about it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
You gonna pay 40k cash for it? Don't act all high and mighty and say you can afford any car sub 40k with cash then sidestep talking about it.

My market is sub $40k, I don't see myself spending that. I will have about $30-35k into my car when I am done though, I have around $20k into it now. Going over $40k isn't worth it to me.

When I do my LS1 or SR20DET it's going to be $10k in cash give or take.

Now you are just being defensive. I bought my car cash + about $6k in mods right way...then I refinanced my car at $10k for a couple years and used that to pay off higher credit.

 

[bananapeel42]

Ok, so you can't afford to drop 40k CASH like you just said in the above post.

Glad to clear that one up. Ok, so you have 20k into your car, great, no wonder you're so protective of it.

I'm sure your building up a nice car.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Ok, so you can't afford to drop 40k CASH like you just said in the above post.

Glad to clear that one up. Ok, so you have 20k into your car, great, no wonder you're so protective of it.

I'm sure your building up a nice car.

no it's not that I can't afford it. It's that I don't see the value in it.

I am not protective as much as just correcting you. It's clear you don't have much experience in cars.

 

[kalrith]

Another thread gone downhill by off-topic banter.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Why is everyone here so obsessed with drag racing?
Unless you can be bothered to go to a drag strip on a regular basis, there's no point in being able to do 0-100 at all. Sure, you can get tremendous power out of a Mustang pretty easily, but god forbid you try to take a tricky corner in one.

Much more fun can be had on a daily basis with a car that handles properly - say, a WRX, a Corvette, or if you want something a little wierd, a Fiero. (Mid-enginedness helps.) All you need is a twisty back road to appreciate your car, and you can always take it autocrossing.

Because most of us are just normal people out there who drive their cars to work, to school, etc, in the USA where 90% of roads are N-S and E-W creating city blocks of straight roads separated by stop signs and lights.

You are far more likely to get into an impromptu penis contest from a stop at a light on a daily commute.

$2-3k in suspension work (tubular K/a-arms, ball joints and spherical cross axis joints, urethane+ bushings, shocks/struts, coil overs, subframes, etc), will have a Mustang handling as good or better than any of the cars you mentioned that use a strut front suspension. A Griggs GR40 or Agent47 front SLA system will make it a world class road race car if you're into that sort of thing enough to justify the cost. And you still have a daily driver with a back seat that won't have to sit and be a garage queen every time you have 2 passengers.

And THAT is the appeal of those cars, that you get in the door cheap, with stock performance where it counts in 99% of daily driving situations (eg: straight line power from a stop) and an unlimited aftermarket to make your car do whatever you want on your own time with your own budget. And at the end of the day it's still a practical 2 door 4 seater coupe.

It works out well for people who want a single car that is both their performance hobby car and their primary commuter at the same time, who can't have or don't want a specialized separate car for every occasion. Some people have a Maxima and a Corvette. For those who simply couldn't drive a Maxima for more than 2 seconds knowing they have a Z06 at home, but who can't practically have a Z06 as their only daily commuter car, you have the Mustang, and that is why cars like the Mustang and Camaro are so popular.

You can have your cake and eat it too. So you have your jack of all trades master of none commuter car that hauls ass, but still not quite as good as the more pure Corvette that you couldn't practically live with, whatever your reason may be... enter the second to none Mustang aftermarket. You can always make your Mustang faster than a Corvette, but you cannot add a bigger trunk or back seat to a Corvette.

 

[exdeath]

Power vs Handling:

Ask anybody who's had buyers remorse the first time they were wasted by someone in a more powerful car, what is the one thing they wished they had when they had their foot to the floor when they got passed like they were in reverse, and they will say more power, not better handling.

The majority of people never push their cars to the point the tires lose grip in corners and where the car itself is the limiting factor, but the reverse is 100% true every time you put your foot to the floor and become limited only by the ability of the car itself to respond adequately. For 99.99% of drivers, the vehicle is the limit when accelerating (foot to the floor and waiting), while cornering will be limited by their driving ability and opportunity long before even a stock car itself becomes the limiting factor.

Been there done that, I'd rather have more power and desire better handling later for the special cases, than have perfect handling and not enough power to do what I want in the other 99% of cases.