Best CPUs Under $150

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shady28

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FX-6350 is the best in the sub $150 range.

For comparison, at Newegg :

FX-6300 : $109
i3-3220 : $125

I chose those 2 parts for comparison because they are both under the $150 price point on Newegg, and they both have benchmarks for comparison here at Anandtech. There is also an FX-6350 under the $150 price point, and an i3-3250, but neither are on the benchmark page here for comparison.

In virtually all but specifically single threaded tests, the FX-6300 beats the i3-3220, including on games :

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/699?vs=677

The newer i3's are not sub $150 parts on Newegg, which is where I got the prices for comparison. You can surely get a Haswell i3 for under $150 from somewhere, but by the same token you can get an FX-8320 + motherboard for $179 at Microcenter.

Something to keep in mind, is that there are almost no "single threaded" games or applications around - and haven't been for a long time. What happens with games is they tend to become limited on a single "master" thread that uses a disproportionate amount of CPU.

A typical game may start 15 or 20 threads, and only one or two are intense. So the 2 main threads may use up 100% of each CPU they run on if the other threads can also keep up. The other 15 threads would typically use only 2% of a different core for each thread, so you would wind up on a quad core with 2 cores at 100% and 2 cores at 15%.

In that typical example, a quad core intel is almost always going to be faster than a 6 or 8 core AMD on games. Single thread performance is king for gaming on 4+ cores.

On a dual core, things are different. The miscellaneous threads wind up running on the same cores as the two intense threads. The result is that the CPUs have to spend maybe 15-20% of their time on these misc threads, leaving only 80-85% of the core speed for the main threads.

For that reason, I would stay away from an i3 or any kind of Celeron/Pentium vs AMD at this price point.

This price point is really where AMD has the best deals; the intel fans know it which is why they immediately identify this as a pro-AMD thread. Well it is, because this is where AMD has a strong value. Once you start talking about $200+, not so much.

The main negative to an AMD setup based on AM3+ is that this platform appears to be dead.
 

crashtech

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All but one of the Haswell i3s retails for less than $150. The reason AMD proponents can get away with minimizing the performance of the new i3s is because there just aren't a lot of game benchmarks featuring them out there. Here's one review:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_5.html#sect0

See for yourself which way you need to go based on usage patterns, but don't pay attention those who would compare AMD CPUs to an Ivy Bridge i3 and say it is comparable to a Haswell comparison. It's not.
 

shady28

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All but one of the Haswell i3s retails for less than $150. The reason AMD proponents can get away with minimizing the performance of the new i3s is because there just aren't a lot of game benchmarks featuring them out there. Here's one review:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_5.html#sect0

See for yourself which way you need to go based on usage patterns, but don't pay attention those who would compare AMD CPUs to an Ivy Bridge i3 and say it is comparable to a Haswell comparison. It's not.


It's funny you would use that link. My guess is, you didn't look past the first chart, and are counting on others to takethe same shallow look.

So on the first chart, we have an i3 beating everything including a pair of i5s (one haswell i5) on Batman Arkham City. That just tells me that game has extremely poor use of threading - it probably has one master thread, which cripples any multi-core processor due to overhead between cores.

Then you've got Civ 5 and F1 2013, with a nod to all the intel processors.

Then there's Hitman Absolution, where the FX-8350 bests both the i5s, and the FX-6350 bests all the i3s.

Next Metro Last Light, where again the FX-8350 bests the Haswell i5s, and the FX-6350 beats one of the i5s and all of the i3s.

Next is Sleeping dogs, where again the Intel chips win out against the FXs.

To quote the article itself regarding the results :

"We don’t see a consistent picture in our gaming tests. They fall into two completely different groups. One group are multithreaded applications whereas the other consists of games that can use but two CPU cores at the most. The latter group has been getting smaller recently, yet still includes quite a lot of interesting titles such as Batman: Arkham Origin."

Then the article goes on to show how on other non-gaming multi-threaded tasks, the i3 gets clobbered.

You are basically proving my point.







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shady28

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And by the way -

For those that think that typical / normal tasks don't push PCs at all and an i3 is just fine to do normal stuff while gaming, take a look at the below image.



What is going on?
1 - Prime Worlds is running windowed mode, just sitting in the castle doing nothing.
2 - A file copy is going on from a local USB 2.0 drive to a NAS
3 - Chrome is open

This is on my 2011 iMac with a SB i5-2500S (2.7ghz i5).

So yes, normal stuff can and does suck CPU and if you try doing anything more intense than the above scenario on an i3, you're going to notice it.
 

crashtech

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Typical cherry picking. I encourage readers to go look for themselves. It's a mixed bag, but consider that it takes 6 or 8 AMD cores to only sometimes beat Intel's new dual core in the gaming benches (2 out of 6). Ouch.
 
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shady28

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Typical cherry picking. I encourage readers to go look for themselves. It's a mixed bag, but consider that it takes 6 or 8 AMD cores to only sometimes beat Intel's new dual core (2 out of 6). Ouch.

Yeah right, that's why I have 4 intel boxes and 1 AMD box.
 

crashtech

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So you don't want people to look for themselves? Why don't you just post ALL the graphs instead of appearing to want to mislead? I can't judge you based on what CPUs you claim to have, but I can judge you on how you present the facts.
 

blackened23

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The fact of the matter is, in the REAL WORLD, in actual real applications, most of them are optimized for 1-2 threads at best. Therefore it isn't unusual for a core based i3 to trounce an FX-8350. Heck, even in some apps that support 4 or more threads, the i3 ends up still winning at times. And then you look at the price of the 8350. 200$. Kidding me? Who in their right mind would get that over an i5 for around the same price. Like it or not, in the real world, the i5 is just way better. Even the intel i3 is winning a lot of real world app benchmarks against the FX 8350. That's just sad. Dual core vs 8.

Anyway, don't get me wrong: AMD has some good budget processors. 750k, 760k. Maybe the FX6300 with overclocking. Perhaps the Richland APUs on sale. You can make a case for those CPUs - I wouldn't blink at anyone recommending those chips. In that range, those are decent CPUs, although i3 and Haswell pentiums are very price competitive. I quite like the G3220, it's a great CPU.

But when the price range gets closer to the core i5s and core i7s, that's where the decision shifts heavily in favor of intel by a mile. Especially with MC selling the i7s for 250$. The FX8350? You really have to try pretty hard to make a case for that thing. I'd say the more intelligent buyer would know better.

The worst problem with the FX8350 is consistency. Let's say you're a PC gamer. Perhaps you play BF4 on the FX8350 and you get a decent experience. But then you play another game where the i3 just destroys the 8350. Or you play World of Warcraft. i3 wins. Diablo 3 ROS? i3 wins. I could go on and on here. There's no consistency with the FX8350. You literally go from one app to the next where the FX8350 might do well in one, but let's go to the next application or game where it just sucks and would lose to an i3. That's the worst part of the 8350.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's just true. I can appreciate AMD's budget offerings that I mentioned earlier. They have some compelling offerings, especially the unlocked 6300. But the 8350? I dunno. Not consistent. And for 200$ I want consistency. The core i5 and core i7 CPUs are just better for the same money. And if you're not a gamer, then you'd have a REALLY hard time choosing the 8350 over an i5. The i5 has an iGPU of course, and costs the same. That's a hundred or more you just saved on a dGPU that you don't need.
 
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crashtech

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Picking up a used or heavily discounted AMD system makes sense, but right now the LGA 1150 platform is the best for mainstream to all but the highest-end gaming, and about everything else, too. That's why the i3s make sense, to get into the most upgradable platform available on a limited budget.
 

Erenhardt

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The fact of the matter is, in the REAL WORLD, in actual real applications, most of them are optimized for 1-2 threads at best. Therefore it isn't unusual for a core based i3 to trounce an FX-8350. Heck, even in some apps that support 4 or more threads, the i3 ends up still winning at times. And then you look at the price of the 8350. 200$. Kidding me? Who in their right mind would get that over an i5 for around the same price. Like it or not, in the real world, the i5 is just way better. Even the intel i3 is winning a lot of real world app benchmarks against the FX 8350. That's just sad. Dual core vs 8.

Anyway, don't get me wrong: AMD has some good budget processors. 750k, 760k. Maybe the FX6300 with overclocking. Perhaps the Richland APUs on sale. You can make a case for those CPUs - I wouldn't blink at anyone recommending those chips. In that range, those are decent CPUs, although i3 and Haswell pentiums are very price competitive. I quite like the G3220, it's a great CPU.

But when the price range gets closer to the core i5s and core i7s, that's where the decision shifts heavily in favor of intel by a mile. Especially with MC selling the i7s for 250$. The FX8350? You really have to try pretty hard to make a case for that thing. I'd say the more intelligent buyer would know better.

The worst problem with the FX8350 is consistency. Let's say you're a PC gamer. Perhaps you play BF4 on the FX8350 and you get a decent experience. But then you play another game where the i3 just destroys the 8350. Or you play World of Warcraft. i3 wins. Diablo 3 ROS? i3 wins. I could go on and on here. There's no consistency with the FX8350. You literally go from one app to the next where the FX8350 might do well in one, but let's go to the next application or game where it just sucks and would lose to an i3. That's the worst part of the 8350.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's just true. I can appreciate AMD's budget offerings that I mentioned earlier. They have some compelling offerings, especially the unlocked 6300. But the 8350? I dunno. Not consistent. And for 200$ I want consistency. The core i5 and core i7 CPUs are just better for the same money. And if you're not a gamer, then you'd have a REALLY hard time choosing the 8350 over an i5. The i5 has an iGPU of course, and costs the same. That's a hundred or more you just saved on a dGPU that you don't need.

From other thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36283273&postcount=267

Originally Posted by blackened23 View Post
It's better than the i3 even though THE FX8350 LOST EVERY GAME EXCEPT 2.

LOL. Gotta be kidding me. 6 games. 2 wins for the 8350. That's not even the 6xxx. F-X- 8-3-5-0. LOST 4 out of 6 TO THE intel I3.

But you're telling us the 6xxx is better despite the i3 winning most of the games. Is that with or without the i3 running cinebench in the background while gaming? Antivirus scan? What?


Look who is talking about consistency. Kind of Hypocrisy...
I should ask what happened to your "Demand better products" policy. Clearly FX CPUs are good performers, but the software (a product aswell) more often than not, will not use the resources properly.

Should I link your tens of thousands posts bashing amd 290/290X cooler or any other anti-AMD crusade your doing in the name of "Better Product" for everyone!

Why not doing it now? Why all of the sudden accepting the state current software is and puting a blame on CPU manufacturer? Would't we all benefit from better software? Wouldn't 12 thread intel CPU show its greatness?
 

R0H1T

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The fact of the matter is, in the REAL WORLD, in actual real applications, most of them are optimized for 1-2 threads at best. Therefore it isn't unusual for a core based i3 to trounce an FX-8350. Heck, even in some apps that support 4 or more threads, the i3 ends up still winning at times. And then you look at the price of the 8350. 200$. Kidding me? Who in their right mind would get that over an i5 for around the same price. Like it or not, in the real world, the i5 is just way better. Even the intel i3 is winning a lot of real world app benchmarks against the FX 8350. That's just sad. Dual core vs 8.

Anyway, don't get me wrong: AMD has some good budget processors. 750k, 760k. Maybe the FX6300 with overclocking. Perhaps the Richland APUs on sale. You can make a case for those CPUs - I wouldn't blink at anyone recommending those chips. In that range, those are decent CPUs, although i3 and Haswell pentiums are very price competitive. I quite like the G3220, it's a great CPU.

But when the price range gets closer to the core i5s and core i7s, that's where the decision shifts heavily in favor of intel by a mile. Especially with MC selling the i7s for 250$. The FX8350? You really have to try pretty hard to make a case for that thing. I'd say the more intelligent buyer would know better.

The worst problem with the FX8350 is consistency. Let's say you're a PC gamer. Perhaps you play BF4 on the FX8350 and you get a decent experience. But then you play another game where the i3 just destroys the 8350. Or you play World of Warcraft. i3 wins. Diablo 3 ROS? i3 wins. I could go on and on here. There's no consistency with the FX8350. You literally go from one app to the next where the FX8350 might do well in one, but let's go to the next application or game where it just sucks and would lose to an i3. That's the worst part of the 8350.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's just true. I can appreciate AMD's budget offerings that I mentioned earlier. They have some compelling offerings, especially the unlocked 6300. But the 8350? I dunno. Not consistent. And for 200$ I want consistency. The core i5 and core i7 CPUs are just better for the same money. And if you're not a gamer, then you'd have a REALLY hard time choosing the 8350 over an i5. The i5 has an iGPU of course, and costs the same. That's a hundred or more you just saved on a dGPU that you don't need.
You're the last person who should be talking about consistency, all you do is bash AMD on the CPU as well as VCG forum & no the FX 8350 doesn't cost anywhere near 200$ unless you're the one selling it
 

69mustang

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~180$ here & here & I'm sure I can find it for 250$ somewhere on the net, or offline, but since we're talking about the cheapest price (minus rebates) 180$ is where it retails !


Your links are misleading. The only Amazon seller that has it for ~$180 isn't a store and its pre order basis, which is weird. The Microcenter link is for in store pick up only. Not everyone has access to a Microcenter.
 

MongGrel

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X5650 go about $150 bucks these days, but I guess the X58 boards required and getting old.

I'll still be happy awhile, have had X58 in the main rig at least 5 years now.

 
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AtenRa

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When it comes to:

-performance per price (USD)
-integrated graphics if there is any
-power consumption
-speed while Overclocking (if capable)
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According to newegg prices.

-performance per price (USD) : For MT workloads the FX6300/6350. For single/dual Thread workloads Haswell Core i3.

-integrated graphics if there is any : A10-7770K, fastest iGPU in its price.

-power consumption : Haswell Core i3.

-speed while Overclocking (if capable) : FX6300 has the best price/performance ratio because it can be OCed to more than 4.6GHz easily.
 

R0H1T

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Your links are misleading. The only Amazon seller that has it for ~$180 isn't a store and its pre order basis, which is weird. The Microcenter link is for in store pick up only. Not everyone has access to a Microcenter.
This is just a quick search I did online to get the best prices available, just to prove that you can get it at the 180$ price point if you look hard enough, & FYI I don't live in the US so microcenter doesn't come into the equation for me but more often than not I see people quoting microcenter prices when they're trying to paint Intel as a VFM proposition in virtually all the price brackets ! Just so you know there's a world outside the US where Intel mobo + CPU prices are 20% (or more) higher than the ones quoted here, but I guess it doesn't matter what the rest of us think as good bang for their buck right ?
 

Blue_Max

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X5650 go about $150 bucks these days, but I guess the X58 boards required and getting old.

I'll still be happy awhile, have had X58 in the main rig at least 5 years now.

Wow! You're right how cheap they are... I'd love a workstation with a PAIR of these... 24 threads would be great for folding@home!
 

Blue_Max

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Just snagged an i5-2400 for a lousy $80 canadian... nothing wrong with that.
 

Ranulf

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Your links are misleading. The only Amazon seller that has it for ~$180 isn't a store and its pre order basis, which is weird. The Microcenter link is for in store pick up only. Not everyone has access to a Microcenter.

As of two weeks ago I bought an 8350 from amazon for $179.
 

Rinaun

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Not reading into this thread, but if someone suggests a 220w AMD cpu and doesn't link the costs per year versus the Intel equivalent, then you aren't getting the full story. Last time I did the math the AMD 220W TDP 24/7 running in California would cost me $630 a year, versus the under 300 the Intel would give me.

Again, TDP matters. Unless you're in Antarctica and can afford extra heat/have spare electricity, make SURE you factor those into your processor choice.
 
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