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Tostada

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For all you people recommending the NEC 3520A, why don't you give any reasons?

The 3520 used to be the best cheap drive, but now the Pioneer 109 is. The only argument I've seen for the NEC is that it supports bitsetting with a hacked firmware, but so does the Pioneer.

If you want the best, you get the $120 Plextor. If you want something almost as good for a reasonable price you get the $50 Pioneer. If you want LightScribe you get the $80 BenQ. I can't imagine any reason to get anything else. I'm not saying nobody else has a point, but it'd be nice to see some reasons.

 

JustinTD79

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Are these burners all dual-layer that you people are talking about? It's hard to tell at newegg. Do most of you burn single or dual-layer disks?
 

imported_g33k

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Originally posted by: Sithtiger
The two best burners are Plextor and Lite-On. If the Lite-On was the same price as the Plextor, then I'd get the Lite-On. Right now I have two Lite-On opticals...a DVD-ROM and a CD burner. I've been waiting for speeds to go up and prices to go down on the DVD burners and they are really good right now.

Here's a Lite-On Dual Layer DVD burner for $54! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106964

For about twice as much for $119, you can get the Plextor Dual-Layer burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827131338

If you've got the money, get the Plextor, or if you simply want to save the money, get the Lite-On. Both are great burners. I've used both and both have been equally stunning. They are the best because they burn the best for making movie or game "backups". Doing "backups" is the most demanding thing you can ask a burner to do and I see few (if any) beating these guys.

One thing you can save money on that is definitely not needed. Don't buy SATA optical drives. Your wasting your money if you do that. Just stick to IDE drives...opticals that is. SATA hard drives might net you some performance but I digress.


I disagree, the Lite-On's are too loud. They perform good, but they sound like a jet engine getting ready to take off. And no I'm not an isolated instance. There are plenty of others with similiar loud drives enough for me to stay away from Lite-On's.
 

wchou

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Originally posted by: Tostada
For all you people recommending the NEC 3520A, why don't you give any reasons?

The 3520 used to be the best cheap drive, but now the Pioneer 109 is. The only argument I've seen for the NEC is that it supports bitsetting with a hacked firmware, but so does the Pioneer.

If you want the best, you get the $120 Plextor. If you want something almost as good for a reasonable price you get the $50 Pioneer. If you want LightScribe you get the $80 BenQ. I can't imagine any reason to get anything else. I'm not saying nobody else has a point, but it'd be nice to see some reasons.

Pioneer is usually popular for receiver but not as popular as Sony so I don't know about that.
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: wchou
Pioneer is usually popular for receiver but not as popular as Sony so I don't know about that.

What are you talking about?

Do Plextors suck now because they're not a popular brand of receiver?
 

Sithtiger

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I disagree, the Lite-On's are too loud. They perform good, but they sound like a jet engine getting ready to take off. And no I'm not an isolated instance. There are plenty of others with similiar loud drives enough for me to stay away from Lite-On's.
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Lite-On's may be a little loud but that's only when they first spin up but they'll burn anything. Many other brand name burners can't do that! If money was no object then I guess I'd opt for a Plextor burner, but Lite-On is excellent as well. Those are the only two burners I would get!

With my current older Lite-On LTR-40125S 40X cd burner, I've been able to backup every cd that I've ever tried to copy with it. There might be some new protections out now but I'm sure that the newest Lite-On DVD burners would burn any new cd or dvd titles out there today. Plextor seems to copy audio a little better. It will burn anything as well but they are about twice the price of Lite-On drives.

 

Sithtiger

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What are you talking about?

Do Plextors suck now because they're not a popular brand of receiver?
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I'm confused. Are you talking about a stereo receiver or a burner? I don't know if Plextor makes receivers but there burners are absolutely the best!

 

Wedge1

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Originally posted by: Sithtiger
What are you talking about?

Do Plextors suck now because they're not a popular brand of receiver?

I'm confused. Are you talking about a stereo receiver or a burner? I don't know if Plextor makes receivers but there burners are absolutely the best!

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Tostada was just making a point with that question (the point being that the brand name of a receiver is irrelevant to this discussion since we are talking about DVD burners).
 

gsellis

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Plextor's are OK, but the NEC and Pioneer usually have had lower error rates across the model lines. Why pay more for less?

Just because Sony makes other good products, do not assume that it applies everywhere. I would not buy a HP or Sony based on personal experience with issues on earlier models.

Lite-on has been a definitely hit or miss. I do remember a few threads on how to create coasters with Lite-ons. But as usually, others have great luck with them.

I make money from DVDs. Returns suck. I have a NEC to make DVD-ROM Booktypes from DVD+R media (thanks to Panasonic and Daewoo settop players older than 2 years old - 4 yo Philips settops are intentionally DVD+R). Otherwise, I would have bought another Pioneer.

That said, we are getting to the commodity end of the products. Get what you want and it will probably work for what you are using it for, but the NECs or Pioneers are a very good choice.
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: gsellis
Plextor's are OK, but the NEC and Pioneer usually have had lower error rates across the model lines. Why pay more for less?

That's not true. Take a closer look at CDRLabs.com's reviews. Maybe you're looking at the wrong results (you have to click on the KProbe links in the Pelxtor review).

Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD-R:
Plextor 716A PIF Max=2, Average=0.00, Total=47
NEC 3520A PIF Max=3, Average=0.02, Total=336
Pioneer 109 PIF Max=2, Average=0.01, Total=93 (at 12X)

Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD+R:
Plextor 716A PIF Max=2, Average=0.01, Total=163
NEC 3520A PIF Max=7, Average=0.01, Total=139
Pioneer 109 PIF Max=6, Average 0.01, Total 157

Verbatim 8X DVD-R:
Plextor 716A PIF Max=2, Average=0.02, Total=257
NEC 3520A PIF Max=2, Average=0.01, Total=182

Verbatim 8X DVD+R:
Plextor 716A PIF Max=2, Average=0.00, Total=39
NEC 3520A PIF Max=2, Average=0.03, Total=495

Verbatim 16X DVD-R:
Plextor 716A PIF Max=2, Average=0.03, Total=501
NEC 3520A PIF Max=8, Average=0.10, Total=1526
Pioneer 109 PIF Max=3, Average=0.08, Total=1301

Verbatim 16X DVD+R:
Plextor 716A PIF Max=4, Average=0.01, Total=167
NEC 3520A PIF Max=7, Average=0.01, Total=78
Pioneer 109 PIF Max=2, Average=0.02, Total=340

The NEC's results are excellent compared to most drives, but the Plextor is better. The Plextor's 8X Taiyo -R and 8X Verbatim +R results beat anything the NEC can do.

That's really not that important, but the Plextor's other performance numbers are almost all better, too. I'm not saying the Plextor is worth it, but you're certainly not "paying more for less."

The NEC is not the best burner. It's unreasonable for so many people to keep saying it is just because it's what they spent their money on. It's not bad at all, but people need to stop recommending it when there are better drives now. The Pioneer is a better cheap drive, and the Plextor is a better drive overall. If you asked me, the best deal is burning Taiyo Yuden 8X -R media with the Pioneer, but that's debatable. What's not debatable is that you simply can't say the NEC is better than either of those drives.

I make money from DVDs. Returns suck. I have a NEC to make DVD-ROM Booktypes from DVD+R media (thanks to Panasonic and Daewoo settop players older than 2 years old - 4 yo Philips settops are intentionally DVD+R). Otherwise, I would have bought another Pioneer.

That said, we are getting to the commodity end of the products. Get what you want and it will probably work for what you are using it for, but the NECs or Pioneers are a very good choice.

The Pioneer 109 can also do booksetting with the right firmware. But I'm suspicious of your claim that Panasonics older than 2 years need bookset DVD+R. I have a lot of experience with first-generation Panasonics (1997 or 98), and they work better with DVD-R than with DVD+R. Booksetting or not, I've seen them skip badly with DVD+R media, but every Panasonic I've seen plays Taiyo Yuden DVD-R media perfectly. Maybe there was a timeframe where Panasonic decided to make players that coudln't play recordable media without booksetting, but I haven't seen any of those players, and it's certainly not true for the old ones.

 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: Tostada
That's not true. Take a closer look at CDRLabs.com's reviews. Maybe you're looking at the wrong results (you have to click on the KProbe links in the Pelxtor review).
I sure wish they would learn to standardize their tests. Even the TY test was done at different speeds. And what I meant as "across the line" was 104/105/106/107/108/109 version the Plextor iterations. NEC 2xxx series was not so hot from what I have seen others saying (still good - especially compared to Sony).

But I'm suspicious of your claim that Panasonics older than 2 years need bookset DVD+R.
Sample of 1 this year (out of 125 disc in this last project). Theoretically, it could have been a bad -R disc, but the bitset disc that I replaced it did not exhibit the issue. Your mileage varies.

I definitely had 2 Daewoo woos. One was fixed with a +R "DVD-ROM" The other hated anything we threw at it. Solved this one with the guy finally having an excuse to go to Fry's and get a DVD Writer / VHS combo. The previous player was a Philips. I had issue with Philips' before. I knew +R would probably solve it, but went ahead and set the bit.

This is the first year that I have dropped VHS from most offerings. Before, too many folks had either not bought a player ("Hey, they are less than $40 for a basic player") or had older players with crapshoot compatibility (These guys still exist - I had one customer with the first PS/2 on the streets - did not do -R and barely did +R AND a first generation player - "But it does work on the Symphony upstairs" argh).
 

Spike

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Originally posted by: gsellis
Originally posted by: Tostada
That's not true. Take a closer look at CDRLabs.com's reviews. Maybe you're looking at the wrong results (you have to click on the KProbe links in the Pelxtor review).
I sure wish they would learn to standardize their tests. Even the TY test was done at different speeds. And what I meant as "across the line" was 104/105/106/107/108/109 version the Plextor iterations. NEC 2xxx series was not so hot from what I have seen others saying (still good - especially compared to Sony).

I have had my NEC 2510a for quite a while now and have had no problems. I only burn for data backup (~90 burned at this point) and no coasters or corrupt data. I plan to try some movies in the near future but just from a data-backup standpoint the older NEC's are great

-spike
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: gsellis
I had one customer with the first PS/2 on the streets - did not do -R and barely did +R AND a first generation player - "But it does work on the Symphony upstairs" argh).

That's interesting. I have the first-generation PS2 (SCPH-30001).

Verbatim 1X DVD-R burned on Pioneer 104 = can't read disc
Ritek 1X DVD-R burned on Pioneer 104 = plays fine but skips in some high bitrate areas
Ritek 4X DVD-R burned on Pioneer 104 = plays fine
Back to the Future original store-bought discs = can't read disc
Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD-R burned at 2X on Pioneer 104 = plays fine
Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD-R burned at 12X on Pioneer 109 = plays fine
Platinum 4X DVD+R (VDSPMSAB-001-01) burned on NEC 3520A = can't read disc
HP 4X DVD+R (CMC MAG-F01-00) burned on NEC 3520A = plays fine

I have a feeling with most old players the quality of media and quality of burner matters more than whether it's -R or +R.
 

Sithtiger

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Tostada was just making a point with that question (the point being that the brand name of a receiver is irrelevant to this discussion since we are talking about DVD burners).
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Ah, ok thanx for the clarification.

 

n7

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I am still going to recommend the BenQ DW 1620 Pro, even though it's getting a tad older.

Reasons: Overall excellent burner with bitsetting (BenQ calls theirs Booktype Management), & overspeed burning right out of the box; no modified firmware needed.
 

tomstevens26

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Yet another vote for the NEC 3520A, modified firmware, and Nero 6.6.

Oh, and for the reasons...well, I got a good deal on it when I bought it, rips fast enough for me with the modified firmware, burns everything I've put in it (Ritek, TDK, Verbatim, Memorex, Piodata, and Office Depot branded discs), and is fairly quite.
 
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