Best HP Printer?

Macro2

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Sorry, can't recommend any HP inkjet. I can't afford $10,000 a gallon for ink.
 

shortylickens

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This is gonna start a flame war but I think Macro2 may be mistaken.
The Lexmarks are the printers with $10,000 ink. They are the most expensive and run out the fastest.
HP's have usually been good about cost per page. With the exception of some models that were discontinued quickly.
Since he didnt make any reccomendations, I'm thinking he might be an Epson fan. They also have an excellent price per page ratio.

I think you'll be happy with any newer HP at $100. Just dont wimp out and get the $40 printers. You wont be happy with them.
 

Macro2

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Actually, Canon rules the inkjet world. Especially when it comes to the cost of ink.
 

Pretty Cool

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Here is what I do not find attractive about HP's:

1. Constant introduction of new cartridges. Since the printhead is integrated into the cartridge, that means you will have a hard time finding anything remanufactured if you want to save a few bucks.

2. It would not be so bad if HP gave a better bargain with their new cartridges, but every time they do this, the cartridges become smaller. Their old #45 Black use to hold 42ml of ink and cost $30. That is when HP's were more economical. The newest $100 models now use the #96 Black and also cost $30. Too bad they only give 21ml of ink.

3. If the ink cost were not bad enough, HP bundles 1/2 size cartridges with their printers. So be prepared to add another $65 to your initial purchase price within a month or two.

4. The only way to print economically is to refill. Unfortunately, there are a few gotchas. One being the cartridges are opaque which leads to guesswork when refilling. HP also uses a single tri-color cartridge, so one could easily contaminate the inks by mistake. Even after you refill, you must get your system to recognize the refill. For this, you must do the 3-cartridge or cover-the-pin swap. If I had a delicate touch and did not mind refilling every month or so, I would have kept my HP. Instead, I just sold it.
 

evilbix

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Get the Epson R200 or the Canon Ip3000. Both are around $100, they print with a great quality (Epson prints directly onto CD's) and the ink is much cheaper.

If you wanna go with HP, just stay away from anything with the new 96-101 cartridges. They're incredibly expensive and the print quality is actually lower than Epson. If you print a lot the epson would work out better. The print heads are part of the printer and not the cartridge (hp) and gives a better print, but the downside being the ink tends to dry up in the heads if it's not used on a fairly consistant basis.
 

madthumbs

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Would have got Cannon if they printed on discs at the time. Had 3 HP's in a row... what was I thinking? Cartridges for HP stopped working before they were empty, so refilling was a "no go", and they were the slowest printers on the market. I'm happy with my Epson, but the ink doesn't last long at all.
 

Erasmus-X

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Originally posted by: Pretty Cool
Here is what I do not find attractive about HP's:

1. Constant introduction of new cartridges. Since the printhead is integrated into the cartridge, that means you will have a hard time finding anything remanufactured if you want to save a few bucks.

2. It would not be so bad if HP gave a better bargain with their new cartridges, but every time they do this, the cartridges become smaller. Their old #45 Black use to hold 42ml of ink and cost $30. That is when HP's were more economical. The newest $100 models now use the #96 Black and also cost $30. Too bad they only give 21ml of ink.

3. If the ink cost were not bad enough, HP bundles 1/2 size cartridges with their printers. So be prepared to add another $65 to your initial purchase price within a month or two.

4. The only way to print economically is to refill. Unfortunately, there are a few gotchas. One being the cartridges are opaque which leads to guesswork when refilling. HP also uses a single tri-color cartridge, so one could easily contaminate the inks by mistake. Even after you refill, you must get your system to recognize the refill. For this, you must do the 3-cartridge or cover-the-pin swap. If I had a delicate touch and did not mind refilling every month or so, I would have kept my HP. Instead, I just sold it.

First of all, you're comparing the #45 cartridge to a set of cartridges that have over 7 years of advancements over the former (the #45 cartridge debuted on the DeskJet 850, if I recall correctly). A lot of things have changed in print technology in 7 years, one of them being the size of ink droplets. Bigger ink droplets mean higher ink consumption. My whole point here is that you never want to compare cartridges by ink volume, but rather by expected printed page output.

Speaking of frequent cartridge changeovers, every manufacturer is guilty of this to a certain extent. Epson releases new cartridges just about every time they release a new series of printers. Ditto on Lexmark. Manufacturers generally release new cartridges to address limitations of the older designs and to introduce new ink formulations. The only manufacturer I can think of that has at least kept their system somewhat generic is Canon. The 3e and 6 series ink tanks have been recycled in at least 4 generations of their printers.

 

Pete

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If you get smaller droplets but a higher res, it seems to me the ink usage would be a wash, no? I'm also not sure how seven years of advancing technology leads to declining ink capacity.
 

Pretty Cool

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Well, last year, HP used the #56 black which held 19ml of ink and that cost $20. Now it's $30 for 21ml. They newer cartridges may yield a few more pages, but probably not double the amount. Manufacturers often exaggerate page claims, so I will discount their word. On the other hand, PC Magazine reviews on printers annually, and if you examine the charts, pages per cartridges generally depend on the amount of ink, regardless of the brand. So, if one company's printer uses cartridges 1/3 larger than the other brand, they will yield roughly 1/3 more pages.
 

madthumbs

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InkSaver 2 and FinePrint combined can save most of us more than half the ink we use. I estimate between the two that I use 1/4 the ink I would without.
 

beverage

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Originally posted by: Pretty Cool
Well, last year, HP used the #56 black which held 19ml of ink and that cost $20. Now it's $30 for 21ml. They newer cartridges may yield a few more pages, but probably not double the amount. Manufacturers often exaggerate page claims, so I will discount their word. On the other hand, PC Magazine reviews on printers annually, and if you examine the charts, pages per cartridges generally depend on the amount of ink, regardless of the brand. So, if one company's printer uses cartridges 1/3 larger than the other brand, they will yield roughly 1/3 more pages.


the #56 with 19ml of ink had a maximum page yeild of 450 pages, and you're correct it's $20
the new #96 with 21 ml of ink is indeed $30, but it has a max yield of 800 pages.
do the math next time, it's more than worth the $10 extra bucks.

As far as exaggerated claims. I own a 5850 that uses that #56 black, I get about 440 pages out of each cart. and that's doing mostly text but a few photos as well.
 

Macro2

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I don't care about the ink usage because with a Canon you can refill for about 25 cents a cart. Only fools buy HP inkjets.
 

Pretty Cool

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Last year, PC Magazine reviewed two HP's that used #56. They averaged 419 pages/cartridge. This year, they tested two new models that used the new #96 and they averaged 466 pages/cartridge. So in this example, the 10% increase in ink led to 11% more pages. You might ask if PC Magazine used different testing criteria. To answer that, I will use two low-end models they tested from Canon each year that all used the same BCI-24 black. Last year, they averaged 107 pages. This year, they averaged the same 107.
 
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