Best practice for SMP + GPU3?

titanmiller

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I'm running an i7 980X with SMP and a GTX480 with GPU3. Previously I've been running with -smp 12. Should I be running -smp 11 or less now that I'm also using GPU3?

At the moment I'm running -smp 11 and showing ~25,500 ppd from the 980X alone (seems kind of high; normal is closer to 20,000ppd).

Any monitoring programs that can show my network clients and GPU3?
 

titanmiller

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I'm running HFM right now, I'll have to play around more to see if I can get it to see my GPU3 data. I tried it yesterday and couldn't seem to get it working.
 

titanmiller

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I'm not exactly sure where GPU3 is putting its data at. I can see the main folder, but there isn't much there beyond the executable.
 

titanmiller

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Okay, I got it figured out. I had to chase down the directory from the log file. I'm now showing 25,700ppd from my CPU and 16,500ppd from my GPU. Not bad...except for my electricity consumption (1200 watts for that computer, a second computer, and two 24" LCDs).
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Try them out. If what Mark says is right, then NVidia cards don't use any CPU resource. In that case, you should have smp -12. If it's not, then smp -11 would be better - this is especially good if your rig is the one you use for normal usage, since it gives you a whole core to play with without disrupting smp - from experience SMP2 is very sensitive to CPU usage - having 1 core completely taken up cuts my 920's ppd literally in half, and even browsing the web drops 2-3k.
 

titanmiller

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Try them out. If what Mark says is right, then NVidia cards don't use any CPU resource. In that case, you should have smp -12. If it's not, then smp -11 would be better - this is especially good if your rig is the one you use for normal usage, since it gives you a whole core to play with without disrupting smp - from experience SMP2 is very sensitive to CPU usage - having 1 core completely taken up cuts my 920's ppd literally in half, and even browsing the web drops 2-3k.

This is my primary computer and so far -smp 11 is giving me a boost from 20k to 25k. I'll have to wait to see if that holds true on more WUs.
 

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Okay, I got it figured out. I had to chase down the directory from the log file. I'm now showing 25,700ppd from my CPU and 16,500ppd from my GPU. Not bad...except for my electricity consumption (1200 watts for that computer, a second computer, and two 24" LCDs).
Glad you've got it sorted :thumbsup:
Nice output!, 1.2kW is a hefty draw though!, although your 2 LCDs won't be on all the time. How much power does the i7 980 rig draw?

Btw I meant to ask, whats the -11 & -12 SMP switches about? :$

Mr. Pedantic
Wow! 2-3k drop from web browsing? that's quite a bit!, maybe that explains my flutuations in output?.....
 

Rattledagger

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Btw I meant to ask, whats the -11 & -12 SMP switches about? :$

Mr. Pedantic
Wow! 2-3k drop from web browsing? that's quite a bit!, maybe that explains my flutuations in output?.....

-11 and -12 is how many threads the SMP-application should start, and therefore how many cpu-cores you'll use.

Since a i7-980x has 6 "real" cores and 6 HT-cores for a total of 12, it shouldn't normally be neccessary to use the -12 -switch. But, if you wants to use less than all 12 real & virtual cores, you'll need to use the switch.

Various reports has it that any slow-down of FAH-SMP on a single core can mean all the other cores must wait for this single core, meaning it can have a huge impact on the total production. If you leave a core "free" for gpu, browsing and so on, you won't get these slow-downs. Now, the slow-down is probably not linear, but still it can apparently be substantial.

BTW, if the slow-down is linear, you could get something like:
12 cores, all running 100%: let's say 12000 points/day (to make the numbers very easy to follow).
11 cores, all running 100%: 11000 points/day.
Run with 12 cores, uses 5% of a single core: All 12 cores performs at 95% => 11400 points/day.
Run with 12 cores, uses 9% of a single core: 10920 points/day.
Run with 11 cores, uses 100% of a single core: 11000 points/day.

10% of a single core is less than 1% of computer on a 12-way system, so it's doubtful this will show-up in Task manager at all under cpu-usage...

So, in theory using 10% of a core should only decrease production from 12000 points/day to 11900 points/day, but in practice the performance-hit is apparently larger than this...
 

Markfw

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Try them out. If what Mark says is right, then NVidia cards don't use any CPU resource. In that case, you should have smp -12. If it's not, then smp -11 would be better - this is especially good if your rig is the one you use for normal usage, since it gives you a whole core to play with without disrupting smp - from experience SMP2 is very sensitive to CPU usage - having 1 core completely taken up cuts my 920's ppd literally in half, and even browsing the web drops 2-3k.

Using XP and 192 pr 196 drivers. I can't speak for win7.

And its not IF, I have 14 boxes, and 22 video cards, and none use cpu for the gpu (<1&#37
 

titanmiller

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Glad you've got it sorted :thumbsup:
Nice output!, 1.2kW is a hefty draw though!, although your 2 LCDs won't be on all the time. How much power does the i7 980 rig draw?


I haven't really measured just the 980 by itself. That 1.2kW also includes a 24/7 PS3 cruncher. I have a 750 watt PS, but now that GPU3 is out I probably should have gone with a bigger PS so I could throw in another GTX480.

My big problem is that I don't have air conditioning so it tends to get hot in my bedroom.
 
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theAnimal

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According to what I've read at foldingforum, smp -11 gives higher ppd on 980X.
 

titanmiller

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According to what I've read at foldingforum, smp -11 gives higher ppd on 980X.

I have confirmed this as true. I was seeing right around 20k ppd and now I am seeing closer to 26-27k ppd. I wish I would have know this a month ago. So all in all, GPU3 + -SMP 11 has given me a 22k ppd boost.
 

Duvie

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Would this mean I should be running an smp tage like "smp -4" because I have 4 cores?

I am a bit surprised I am only getting 4k on my QX6700 with as much cache as it has...PLus running smp2 client I am not getting units that come close to using 1gb of my 4gb of memory
 

Peter Trend

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Duvie,

The -smp 4 flag should be unnecessary as I believe it is the default setting when -smp is used. By all means try it though. I think the -smp x flag is only needed to use less cores than are available, e.g. when you want to reserve one for your gpu.

4k PPD sounds fairly good to me. Is that with just the SMP?
 

Duvie

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NO that has a gpu client running...

In task manager I notice the gpu client steals 3-6%...I have a java2.exe taking 2-5%...and a 1% here or there on a few other things....means the smp client core is running anywhere from 84-94% It fluctuates....

4k has been the best...the current unit I have has me more around 3000-3400
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Would this mean I should be running an smp tage like "smp -4" because I have 4 cores?

I am a bit surprised I am only getting 4k on my QX6700 with as much cache as it has...PLus running smp2 client I am not getting units that come close to using 1gb of my 4gb of memory
Running without GPU you should get a bit higher. Plus, SMP2 doesn't use that much memory, and you don't have enough cores for -bigadv.
 

Markfw

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NO that has a gpu client running...

In task manager I notice the gpu client steals 3-6&#37;...I have a java2.exe taking 2-5%...and a 1% here or there on a few other things....means the smp client core is running anywhere from 84-94% It fluctuates....

4k has been the best...the current unit I have has me more around 3000-3400

OK, right now, summary of PPD (total is 136k, has been as high as 150k, no changes in hardware or config)

Bottom line ? they are all over the place on ppd.....

X6 doing 12,595 on a P6702
Q6600@3.2 doing 2155 on a P6012
Q6600@3.3 doing 3632 on a P6063
Q6600@3.4 doing 6899 on a P6025
920 I7@3.7 doing 10142 on a P6066
Q6600@3.2 going 7006 on a P6061
Q8200@2.33 doing 4144 on a P6063
Q9540@3.2 going 5040 on a P6041

And the only boxes doing anything other than folding are the 920, and the Q9450, and thats just a little web.
 

Duvie

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NIce job Mark...Dont mean to add more work but how many of those boxes are running gpu clients as well....

I remember last year I was 3 gpu clints of 9800's and they put out as much as this one gtx 470 but combined....I remember that when we started using those cuda drivers gpus took virtually NO cpu usage...
 

Markfw

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the X6 has one GPU, the others all have 2 GPU's each, matched pairs.
 
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