Originally posted by: dquan97
C&C Generals
Originally posted by: biffbacon
In your opinion, what is the best real time strategy game ever, and why?
IMO Starcraft is by far the best RTS game ever. It is the most balanced, most fun, and has a great story line in single player mode. It is almost 10 years old, and there are still thousands of people that play it every night on battlenet. oh yeah, and battlenet is pretty damn good as a gaming server.
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
you have no credibility then. from the way you talk you never knew the game well enough to comment and the game has changed a lot over the last 3 or 4 years. Blizzard has modified the units to be more equal.
but all things equal, a good zerg player pumping out only hydras and a good toss player pumping out only goons, the zerg player wins.
Originally posted by: wyvrn
I played SC when it first came out and then for several years. I haven't played lately because 3-4 years of one game is enough for me, in fact I haven't played any other game that long.
I stick by Protoss, they are the best
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
Originally posted by: wyvrn
If you mass marines, I mass zealots and dragoons. Zealots own marines and dragoons take care of air. Zerg bases cannot withstand a dragoon rush, zerg base defenses are weak. By the way I played it for years and gave up on it sometime last year because I wanted to play other games. I wasn't the best player, but some of my friends were so good I never saw them lose. They all played protoss, every time.
you could never produce as many goons as a good zerg player could produce hydras. he can get hydras before you start pumping out goons and he pumps them out at a faster rate. hydras maneuver better than goons and you can fit more hydras in a give area than you can goons. Hydras ROCK goons all over the place.
like i said, when was the last time you played SC?
Originally posted by: wyvrn
I never had a problem with any bombers or fighers. I simply put up a lot of air defense, they never got through. Plus air was so expensive in TA, and took so long to build, it was easy to counter. I usually won by base defense first, building nuclear reactors and silos, and then putting up those plasma gatlin guns. Early on, base defense beat air raids and ground rushes. As the game progressed, my nukes would take out large areas of their bases at one time. By the time they rebuilt, I had the offensive lead using gatlin guns. Those things were lethal, they could destory a nice sized army before they got anywhere near my base.
The computer in TA had one of the saddest AIs of any RTS. It would pretty much mindlessly build units and throw them at your base (or just get them stuck along the way) - it didn't have any adaptation of rhyme or reason to its building. I played games against the computer where it tried to build only land units on an all- water map and it overcrowded the island it was on. So it's not really valid to use strategies used vs the computer to argue about strategic depth in the game.I actually setup a game on a large metal map with me against 3 comps. I built up lots of nukes, defense, and 3-4 gatlin guns. I left the game running for several hours, came back from classes that day, and they still hadn't gotten into my base.
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: wyvrn
I never had a problem with any bombers or fighers. I simply put up a lot of air defense, they never got through. Plus air was so expensive in TA, and took so long to build, it was easy to counter. I usually won by base defense first, building nuclear reactors and silos, and then putting up those plasma gatlin guns. Early on, base defense beat air raids and ground rushes. As the game progressed, my nukes would take out large areas of their bases at one time. By the time they rebuilt, I had the offensive lead using gatlin guns. Those things were lethal, they could destory a nice sized army before they got anywhere near my base.
You must not have played any good people online then. No amount of air defense can stop a concentrated bombing run or stealth fighter attack. And planes (incl bombers) are dirt cheap once you get your resources going, which you ought to have if your opponent has nukes or plasma cannons. Not too far in the game I usually have 5-10 airfields pumping out planes full tilt with assistance from costruction units/commander and I can have almost continual aerial assaults. The only thing you need is to get your first fusion reactor going and then it's cake with MohoMMs + fusions for resources.
The computer in TA had one of the saddest AIs of any RTS. It would pretty much mindlessly build units and throw them at your base (or just get them stuck along the way) - it didn't have any adaptation of rhyme or reason to its building. I played games against the computer where it tried to build only land units on an all- water map and it overcrowded the island it was on. So it's not really valid to use strategies used vs the computer to argue about strategic depth in the game.I actually setup a game on a large metal map with me against 3 comps. I built up lots of nukes, defense, and 3-4 gatlin guns. I left the game running for several hours, came back from classes that day, and they still hadn't gotten into my base.
Originally posted by: Pocatello
I like the Age of Empire series.
Originally posted by: biffbacon
Originally posted by: dquan97
C&C Generals
come on now. i bought C&C generals, but cant stand to play it. its so slow and laggy.... and thats on the single player missions. you cant adjust the speed. and there is no storyline. and so far multiplayer games through the server are really hard to stay connected too...
lastly, have you noticed that many changes have been made to C&C generalsto make it play and look alot more like SC?
Descending order. I like to have my dessert first.is that assending or descending order
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Was a good game, but not the depth of SC in my opinion. TA had tons of units, but the strategy was usually the same. Get nukes and the big gatlin guns and nobody could come near your base while you can easily destory theirs. First one to do so wins. The only way the other guy could survive this onslaught is if you played on a really big map.
Originally posted by: fuzzy bee
total annihilation
I disagree. I got to be one of the top ladder-ranked TA players on TEN for a while in TA's prime and I can say most games did not boil down to nukes and plasma cannons - I found people who tried to do this were my easiest kills. Stealth fighters and/or bombers along with frequent scouting was all that is needed to counter it.
The greatest strength of TA is that there were so many avenues you can take to attack, and you could focus on pure strategy as opposed to simply better resource management which is what many so SC games boil down to.