Best silent CLC / fan setup

Pibben2

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I like closed loop all-in-one water coolers, not because of cooling performance but because of low noise. I like the fact that I need only one fan (or 2 in push-pull) to cool the CPU *and* eject the hot air out of my case.

So, for a new build, what setup do you recommend? As I understand it, for low noise, low speed fans you want a thin radiator with low fpi. Does all CLC cooler have about the same fpi so it's the thickness I'm able to play with? What models have a suitable thickness for my purposes?

Is 120mm or 140mm my best option here? 120mm fans seem to have better static pressure, but then again 120mm radiators have smaller surface area.

What cooler/fan setup would you recommend for a, say, Intel i7-4770k?
 

Topweasel

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To me it's possible to have a quiet custom loop, but a lot harder. I would say the best solution is an H100i being a dual width radiator with the option for 4 fans, all manageable from the Corsair link software. You can get 4 really quiet fans and then wind them down even more.

Otherwise you have to invest in a fan controller and a pretty costly one at that if you want automatic or software control.
 

Pibben2

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For fan control I was planning on using the motherboard PWM control. Is the H100i still a good option even without the fan control features?
 

cbrunny

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I would guess that depends on your mobo, but could be wrong.

I had a H100i for a while and really liked the Corsair Link feature. it controls the fans in a far more appropriate way than a mobo pwm would imo under an AOI config. that is, the heat from the cpu is going to the rad for exhaust, so link ramps up rad fans based on cpu temps. An AIO with fans on mobo PWM would not ramp up as cpu temps increased unless the spot on the mobo that the fans read from also increases in temp. It adds a potentially significant delay, if ramps fans at all. Corsair link would be vastly superior performance.
 

Pibben2

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The moderboard PWM control reads temperatures from the CPU, so from that point of view there is now difference.
 

Topweasel

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I guess it wouldn't matter as much but the Corsair link allows for 3 major fan profiles and you can make your own. It's still a really good cooler even if its not doing the control, but then the other CLC's which all cost around the same end up being just as good depending on where you want to go with it.

For the CLC's Anand did a write up on those a couple of times. Figure out what you want. You can go thick Rad, thin rad, Push pull, single fan, dual width, 120mm, 140mm, and so on. Just in Corsairs lineup you have H100, H105, and H110 those are all dual width, the H100i the most tech advanced, but with the mobo managing the fans you have the 105 is like 30% thicker rad and the 110 that is dual width 140mm instead of dual 120's.

In the end there are only 2 real suppliers for CLC units so really it depends if you are using the supplied fans and what the radiator size is. Otherwise they are pretty similar in performance.

Look this guy over to give you a decent starting point to figuring out which CLC you would want.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liquid-coolers
 

Pibben2

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Thanks!

You can go thick Rad, thin rad, Push pull, single fan, dual width, 120mm, 140mm, and so on.

That's exactly what I needed your advice on. What setup would be the most quiet while still provide enough cooling for my neets?
 

Topweasel

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Thanks!



That's exactly what I needed your advice on. What setup would be the most quiet while still provide enough cooling for my neets?
I would say the more fans on a rad the better performance, which means you can run the fans at a lower speed.

Think of the Rad as a big heatsink and the fans as normal CPU fans. Without getting into the nitty gritty. The bigger the fan the slower it can run and push the same CFM, the more fans you run the slower each one can be and be the same CFM. So assuming so maintaining Rad size 1 fan will need to push out twice as much air per fan as a 2 fan setup to keep the CPU at a certain temp, and the same for a 2 fan compared to a 4. You loose a bit of the capacity on a push pull but the logic holds. A 2x120mm or 2x140mm rad just means a bigger Heat-sink and the ability to run 4 fans.

Also fan noise can stack so you need to keep that in mind as well. Though dependent on fan model, generally a 2 fans running 33-50% slower will make less noise than that one fan.

If you look at the performance of like an H60/70 versus an H80, the H80 wins by a mile and on some chips they don't perform much better than a cheaper HSF. So I think you need to look at 2 fans minimum. Then the question is are you willing to replace the fans that come with unit. If you are then want to get the biggest radiator in thickness or width that you feel comfortable with. The H100 is the most compatible (and comparable sub 30mm thick 2x120 rads). Then you have to decide whether you can run 2 fans on your CPU at a low enough level to keep the CPU as cool as you want. There is a lot of give and take here. All dependent on fan choice, ambient temps, CPU overclock, and what range your looking for. Heck even one 4770k and another without overclock can vary by a decent level on the same setup. 4 fans wouldn't need to ramp up as high as 2 would but their noise doesn't stack 1 for one but 4 fans at one speed are noisier than 2 fans at the same speed and you might find that 2 keeps the cpu in the range your looking for without ramping up to high.

That is why I like the H100i, it has a pretty configurable profile setup and even on its base setting have it set to low/quiet means at it's top end it will only clock up as high as i believe as high has for it's lowest settings. It's still in corsairs eyes even, its crown jewel and for techs as well. I mean it's compatible with just about everyone's enthusiast case, its technically capable, it's upgradable, and priced pretty well (got one I am installing in an ITX case on sale for $70). It's a great one size fits all clc. But you might find the Coolermaster or NXZT or even the H105/H110 to be better if your swapping out fans because of the larger radiator.

As for the fans themselves. I am not the best person to ask. I know static pressure matters most but noise levels vs. performance. I wouldn't know the first place to start. My H80 uses stock fans and my H100i will be using 4x Scythe 15mm Slip streams because I have to for my ITX.

Now if you don't want to swap out fans you need to read the reviews and see how noisy their fans got. Though keep in mind A.) most don't have any kind of fan control. B.) most of them don't have 4 pin PWM fans.
 

Pibben2

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Thats lots of good information, thanks!

If I want to run the fans at low speed, shouldn't I stay away from thick rads, as I assume that they are harder to push the air through?
 

coffeejunkee

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If you want silence, you want a good air cooler. No pump noise and no need for high rpm fans to get the same cooling performance. The extra case fan isn't going to change things, in fact it helps more than it hurts. You will have a lower case temp and therefore the cpu fan will have to work less.

I recommend Thermalright Macho or Noctua NH-U12S/U14S.
 

Topweasel

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Thats lots of good information, thanks!

If I want to run the fans at low speed, shouldn't I stay away from thick rads, as I assume that they are harder to push the air through?
The more static pressure the less of an issue it is. Like the Air Penetrators SS sells. They basically create lines like this in air flow | | vs. \/, and don't lose much pressure going through a rad.

As for the user above said. Air cooling can be just as good if not better in a lot of setups. Pump noise shouldn't be an issue unless you have a bad pump with air stuck in it (and you would know when you heard it). I like CLC's because you can move the fans (the noisier part) to a better area in the case and can exhaust all the CPU heat out of the case instead of venting a lot into the case and having it increase the temps on everything else requiring even more cooling.

I made probably the quietest system I have ever made with one of the most "open" cases on the market, a HAF X. By letting it use large fans running really slowly and venting almost all generated heat out the back and top using a CLC (H80 on low) and a mostly shrouded VGC (7950). This HAF X with a 120w SB-E, 2 200mm fans 1 220mm fan, and a 7950 can only be heard above the vents in my house when the Velociraptor is getting accessed or I am powering it on (and the fans all start going full speed).

Put that stuff in a halfway decent "quiet" case like a Fractal R4 (I loved the XL version that I put together for someone) and I doubt you would hear much of anything at all.
 

aigomorla

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The moderboard PWM control reads temperatures from the CPU, so from that point of view there is now difference.

nope...

it reads load values from the cpu... not temp. :sneaky:

meaning if ur cpu is doing little to no work, the pwm value is sent as low.
if your cpu is doing 100% load, then your pwm value is set as high.

heat has little to do with pwm, there is a separate option on boards which scale by heat value for fans on the higher tier boards.
 

Mtt

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Personaly I prefer single 120mm/140mm radiator over dual width for CPU. Single width radiator can be installed at the back of the case. Most people mount dual radiator on the top of the case. To push/pull air up requires much more work than to push/pull air horizontally. I found that fans mounted at the top actually move less air comparing to the same fan mounted at the back especially with low rpm fans. I think single radiator should be enough.
 

MongGrel

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Hot air rises naturally.

Why would it be more work to move in vertically than horizontally?
 
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