Best specs for an air compressor for general home and air tool use?

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thedarkwolf

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Don't think anybody has really covered the biggest problem with oil free compressors yet NOISE!!!!!!!! No compressors are quiet but oil free ones are much louder. I have one of the standard 30 gallon sears oil free deals that I have had for years and it works fine but every single time it kicks on and I have to listen to it it makes me wish I had just spent a bit more.
 

jlee

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I have a 30 or 33 gallon Craftsman compressor that I've had for ten years or so. It works great, but it's loud as hell. It was about $300 at the time.
 

Raizinman

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There are alternatives instead of buying one air compressor. I have two medium sized air compressors connected together with an air valve. When I have a small job such as airing a tire or such, I turn on one compressor. When I'm doing bigger jobs or have multiple air lines going I turn on both compressors.
 

RLGL

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I have a Speedaire from Grainger 80 Gal tank and 17 cfm. Bought it new in the late 80's. Well worth the money.
 

evident

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There are alternatives instead of buying one air compressor. I have two medium sized air compressors connected together with an air valve. When I have a small job such as airing a tire or such, I turn on one compressor. When I'm doing bigger jobs or have multiple air lines going I turn on both compressors.

definition of medium size?

I pretty much convinced myself that the [FONT=&quot]30gal 1.6hp 5.5cfm at 90psi 6.5 @ 40 psi[/FONT] is what will suit my needs, and that I can get a small pancake one in the future but probably won't be necessary.
 
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dud

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Purchased a 20 gal CH unit like this: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Campbell-Hausfeld-20-gal-Electric-Air-Compressor-VT6290/203002182

from Wallyworld for $250 about 20 years ago. I use it about 4-6 times a year and change the oil every 5 years or so. Works off 110V, is portable and has never let me down. You must have a lot of capacity if using pneumatics or you will be waiting a while for the tank to recharge.

If reliability/longevity are important to you defintiely avoid the maintenance free units and go with an oil bath model. Also, those pancake compressors are a niche product best used for what they were intended for (like roofing).

Bottom line is if you buy something with limited (low air) capacity you will regret the purchase the first time the compressor lets you down (fails to provide enough air volume). Also remember to drain your tank of water as the humidity in the air comes out of solution (condenses) within the tank while under pressure. Each and every time I drain my tank a deluge of rusty water flies out the bottom ...
 

Vetterin

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The 30 gal you have in mind would be an all around good choice. I have had a 30 gal for over 25 years and has served me well although I wish NOW that I would have gone bigger. What I DID want to tell you is that when you do blow out your sprinkler lines, do not use more than 50-55 psi but maybe you already know that.
 

bruceb

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Don't see why you would not want a 220V unit. If you need to run AC power out to your garage, it is not much extra work to make it capable of 220V .. Most homes have this voltage already in the main circuit breaker panel. Just pop in a double pole breaker after calculating what size and what size wire to run to the garage. Easy job for an electrician.
 

thedarkwolf

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definition of medium size?

I pretty much convinced myself that the [FONT=&quot]30gal 1.6hp 5.5cfm at 90psi 6.5 @ 40 psi[/FONT] is what will suit my needs, and that I can get a small pancake one in the future but probably won't be necessary.

Yes that will be plenty. Pretty much the same specs of my craftsman/sears compressor and it has done everything I've need it too. It just does them very loudly. I bought a 7 gallon air tank like so
for $30 and modified it to make it easier to fill and adding a regulator so it is basically another compressor minus the motor. I just fill it and use it for smaller things around the house.
 

Midwayman

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You can always build a noise isolation box for it inside or outside the garage and just run air lines to where you need it. My told term plan is to put it in the basement and isolate it. Then run lines into the garage and over to my hobby desk in the basement.

Or if you have pretty modest needs you can get compressors built off refrigerator type compressors that are only like 60-70Db. That's what I run my airbrush with now.
 

evident

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Don't see why you would not want a 220V unit. If you need to run AC power out to your garage, it is not much extra work to make it capable of 220V .. Most homes have this voltage already in the main circuit breaker panel. Just pop in a double pole breaker after calculating what size and what size wire to run to the garage. Easy job for an electrician.

haha, it would just escalate my search for a compressor beyond my budget... probably about $200 for the electrician to set up the 220, then a higher capacity compressor will cost more too... I looked up a couple of threads on garagejournal asking about a reasonable compressor, and the first reply was a picture of some industrial $1000 machine :biggrin:. Couldnt imagine how i'd transport this thing if i ever moved ( which i hope not unless its across country!)
 

twinrider1

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Yea, won't need an industrial compressor, but do budget for accessories. It's easy to spend more on those than the compressor. Fittings, swivels, a primary filter/separator, maybe another small filter on the tool end of the hose (depending on what you're doing).
 

natto fire

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Don't see why you would not want a 220V unit. If you need to run AC power out to your garage, it is not much extra work to make it capable of 220V .. Most homes have this voltage already in the main circuit breaker panel. Just pop in a double pole breaker after calculating what size and what size wire to run to the garage. Easy job for an electrician.

FWIW, we use 240v for split phase systems. If there is already a dedicated circuit in the garage, it can actually be quite a bit of work to run a new wire from the main panel to the garage to get 240 out there. If you are just running from a sub in the garage, I see your point there. If it comes down to just plugging something into the wall compared to having an electrician show up to install a 240v receptacle, and having to pull a home run to the panel, it can be a HUGE difference depending on how hard the pull is.

There are very minimal gains from going to 240v over 120v, except that the installer can use smaller wire to get the same power. It is 3 phase motors which are excellent at minimizing eddy currents and none of this matters in a residential setting, which do not have 3 phase power.
 

T2urtle

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I have a 20 or 25g craftman one, about 10 years old. Works great.

For automotive work like impacts you dont really need to care about CFM all too much, just size of tank because you are not using it constantly. Quick burst of take off the bolt.

If you want to use cutoff wheels, paint guns, angle grinders and etc. You MIGHT need to look at CFM and a larger tank.

Overall i think a my tank is OVERKILL, but i have the space and dont mind the noise because the air compressor normally only fires up twice for me. I could of went 15g and be happy.

Just dont get those pancake ones, i think you will be waiting for pressure to build up more then using tools. Its great for the size but not the best.
 

natto fire

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OP did state using some high flow applications, like blowing out sprinkler lines. If just using an impact, there are a slew of battery powered impacts that make an air setup look silly. I have an older cordless Milwaukee that is only rated at 450 ft-lbs. and has handled all tasks except getting a crank bolt out of a Honda. They make a Fuel version, which is rated 1,100 ft-lbs, and I know IR has a similar one. Takes up much less space and is much less maintenance.
 

evident

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FWIW, we use 240v for split phase systems. If there is already a dedicated circuit in the garage, it can actually be quite a bit of work to run a new wire from the main panel to the garage to get 240 out there. If you are just running from a sub in the garage, I see your point there. If it comes down to just plugging something into the wall compared to having an electrician show up to install a 240v receptacle, and having to pull a home run to the panel, it can be a HUGE difference depending on how hard the pull is.

There are very minimal gains from going to 240v over 120v, except that the installer can use smaller wire to get the same power. It is 3 phase motors which are excellent at minimizing eddy currents and none of this matters in a residential setting, which do not have 3 phase power.

our panel is actually located in the basement and not in the garage as well. It will most likely not be cheap for the electrician to wire me up to 240.
 

Zenmervolt

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i'll be needing to use an impact

edit: pretty much convinced myself that the [FONT=&quot]30gal 1.6hp 5.5cfm at 90psi 6.5 @ 40 psi[/FONT] is what will suit my needs, and that I can get a small pancake one in the future but probably won't be necessary.

For am impact wrench, I would want at least 2 hp, personally. 5.5 scfm at 90 psi is on the lower end for a good impact wrench, but ought to be passable.

Of note, the regulator and hose can play a big role in things. If you just have one of those cheap 1/4" coiled hoses it's not going to work well. You'll definitely want at least a 3/8" hose, with good fittings.

All that said, these days I mostly just use a cheap Harbor Freight electric impact wrench unless I need big power. It's less hassle since I don't need to have an air line and it's expendable.

ZV
 
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evident

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For am impact wrench, I would want at least 2 hp, personally. 5.5 scfm at 90 psi is on the lower end for a good impact wrench, but ought to be passable.

Of note, the regulator and hose can play a big role in things. If you just have one of those cheap 1/4" coiled hoses it's not going to work well. You'll definitely want at least a 3/8" hose, with good fittings.

All that said, these days I mostly just use a cheap Harbor Freight electric impact wrench unless I need big power. It's less hassle since I don't need to have an air line and it's expendable.

ZV

So pretty much any air compressor that runs on a standard outlet is on the low end for impact wrench then? i can't find any that have much higher cfm at 90 psi. than 5.5 @ 90
 

WoodButcher

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So pretty much any air compressor that runs on a standard outlet is on the low end for impact wrench then? i can't find any that have much higher cfm at 90 psi. than 5.5 @ 90

Yep,,,

Have you ever gone into a place of business and seen them using anything like those listed on these pages?
Having a compressor in the home shop is convenient for some jobs but it will not be the central go to tool in your shop unless you go commercial grade 220 volt or larger.
Buy an oil bath unit with the highest output and largest tank you can afford and when the time comes you need to remove a stuck bolt get your 1/2" breaker and your favorite cheater pipe.

For most of my jobs in the garage I use my Dewalt 18 v cordless impact and snug or loosen w/ a ratchet.
 

jlee

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So pretty much any air compressor that runs on a standard outlet is on the low end for impact wrench then? i can't find any that have much higher cfm at 90 psi. than 5.5 @ 90

With a 30 gallon compressor, I've never had problems running air impacts. Sure, if you use it a LOT you're going to have to let the compressor catch up a bit, but it's certainly tolerable.
 

natto fire

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So pretty much any air compressor that runs on a standard outlet is on the low end for impact wrench then? i can't find any that have much higher cfm at 90 psi. than 5.5 @ 90

Yeah, most manufacturers that put a standard 15 amp plug shoot for the 80% safe loading, which is 1500 watts, or just a hair under 2 horsepower. Kitchen appliances venture a bit higher than that, because 20 amp small appliance branch circuits have been required in kitchens for quite a while.

It simply takes a lot of power to provide that much flow. There are 120v 20 amp options, but just going to 240v is the more common option. The 240v motor will produce roughly twice the power of the 120v motor at the same amperage.

For the most part in 240v applications, we go right to 20 amp twist lock receptacles and 2 pole breakers. 3 conductor wire is much more common in 12 gauge as well. Going with that 80% "safe" loading, you get 3,840 watts of power, or just over 5 HP.

Much easier to get higher flows with that much power.

If the only other thing you were thinking of doing with compressed air was blow out sprinkler lines, and are mainly thinking of this for impact gun use, I would look into cordless impacts. The brushless models are putting out some serious power and have the advantage of not having to deal with air hoses, oiling, and compressor noise. That said, the motors and impact mechanisms on the cordless ones I have used are not exactly quiet...
 

jlee

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Yeah, most manufacturers that put a standard 15 amp plug shoot for the 80% safe loading, which is 1500 watts, or just a hair under 2 horsepower. Kitchen appliances venture a bit higher than that, because 20 amp small appliance branch circuits have been required in kitchens for quite a while.

It simply takes a lot of power to provide that much flow. There are 120v 20 amp options, but just going to 240v is the more common option. The 240v motor will produce roughly twice the power of the 120v motor at the same amperage.

For the most part in 240v applications, we go right to 20 amp twist lock receptacles and 2 pole breakers. 3 conductor wire is much more common in 12 gauge as well. Going with that 80% "safe" loading, you get 3,840 watts of power, or just over 5 HP.

Much easier to get higher flows with that much power.

If the only other thing you were thinking of doing with compressed air was blow out sprinkler lines, and are mainly thinking of this for impact gun use, I would look into cordless impacts. The brushless models are putting out some serious power and have the advantage of not having to deal with air hoses, oiling, and compressor noise. That said, the motors and impact mechanisms on the cordless ones I have used are not exactly quiet...

Speaking as someone who does far more automotive work than the average person, I really don't think going to 240v is necessary for the OP's intended purposes. A 30 gallon tank will provide enough buffer that, unless he's painting or using a grinder (I use a corded grinder/cutoff instead of air), he'll be OK with a 120v compressor.
 

natto fire

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Speaking as someone who does far more automotive work than the average person, I really don't think going to 240v is necessary for the OP's intended purposes. A 30 gallon tank will provide enough buffer that, unless he's painting or using a grinder (I use a corded grinder/cutoff instead of air), he'll be OK with a 120v compressor.

I would agree with that wholeheartedly. Honestly, I think air powered tools are less and less an ideal solution as cordless tools continue to improve. There are still scenarios where you just need a blast of air, but electric motors satisfy instant torque requirements, and now that batteries are improving, it is possible to get real power out of a cordless motor.

I was just trying to quantify the "220v" recommendations (again, split phase is mostly called 240v in my field) in this thread.
 
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