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boomhower

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directv started offering NFL sunday ticket packages for people without direct, like where you can watch on your pc or tablet. then i could just stream it from my nexus 7 to my tv.

hopefully Roku can do it, if not 35 bucks for chromecast is justifiable.

You can only get Sunday Ticket streaming only if you can't get DirecTV. You need to live in an apartment complex where you can't have a dish, in an area without the needed line of site, etc. You can't just call and get it. Believe me I wish they did.
 

MrSquished

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You can only get Sunday Ticket streaming only if you can't get DirecTV. You need to live in an apartment complex where you can't have a dish, in an area without the needed line of site, etc. You can't just call and get it. Believe me I wish they did.

The article I read on it when it was announced neglected to mention that, so thanks for the info. However I am eligible!

I went to their website. It says:

"Now you can stream live, out-of-market NFL games on your favorite device without a DIRECTV satellite TV subscription if you live in a select apartment building where DIRECTV service is not available, attend one of these universities, or live in one of the following metro areas: New York City, Philadelphia, or San Francisco. Check your eligibility."


I live in the NY Metro area, I put in my info on their check eligibility form and I am eligible based upon that. Woohoo!

now to decide if it's worth it to get the $329 package with redzone and a couple other things vs just all games for $199
 

MrSquished

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when i get home i'll write the app i use, can't remember the name of it now, but i stream video from my pc seamlessly with this program and the Roku 3. HD video and it's fast and super smooth.

i need to find out if there is an app that can take content live-streaming on my pc or tablet and push it to my tv. if i can't i'll get a chromecast. directv started offering NFL sunday ticket packages for people without direct, like where you can watch on your pc or tablet. then i could just stream it from my nexus 7 to my tv.

hopefully Roku can do it, if not 35 bucks for chromecast is justifiable.

i use My Media to stream video from my pc to my roku and it works perfectly. i've streamed 4gb files from pc to roku without a hiccup.

it does do music, but i have never tried it as i just hook up my phone to a set of monitors in that same room for music playing.
 

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Well, I have three Rokus, so my opinion is biased, but I would not have bought the second and third if the first did not do all that I needed. With Plex and streaming over my router's 5GHz band, this device serves every TV in my house admirably. As a subscriber to Lynda.com, I wish they had swung a deal with Roku instead of (or in addition to) Google's Chromecast. Otherwise, I find the Roku3 to be my ideal streaming solution. Channels up the whazoo and a remote you can use headphones with. Most excellent.
 

boomhower

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Ok, downside of the Chrombox is decoding. What are the downsides of the NUC? Price wise for me it's pretty much a wash.
 

ponyo

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When I say everything it may be a bit of an exaggeration but certainly most it will be. What are the issues with the Fire and XBMC? I'm considering getting 1-3 of them for the bedrooms if they run it OK. Willing to spend more for the main unit in the living room. It seems like a good one box for close to everything for secondary usage.

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Amazon_Fire_TV

10 Known issues

VC-1 and MPEG2 are not hardware decoded in XBMC on the Fire TV.

The fast forward and rewind buttons on the Fire TV remote must be manually configured (see Alternative keymaps for Fire TV remote).
A static click or pop may be heard when opening a Dolby Digital file in Gotham. One workaround is to turn off NAVIGATION SOUNDS (Settings > Appearance > Skin) and KEEP AUDIO DEVICE ALIVE (Settings > System > Audio Output). NOTE: This may cause playback issues with DTS-HD or TrueHD files.

VC-1 and MPEG2 shouldn't be an issue for you if you encode everything to MP4.

If I was you, I would get the Fire TV. If it does everything you need, you just saved some money. Later, if you find you need something more robust, you can get a NUC, Chromebox, or something else and use the Fire TV in the bedroom. Fire TV can now even use USB storage which was one of the features I wanted but wasn't available previously when I was looking.
 

bearxor

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I'm actually PRETTY close to just putting my Boxee Box back in.

Subtitles are just THE major issue I'm having with Plex. Same MKV. Same SRT file. On Boxee Box, I get no subtitles until they speak a foreign language. On Plex, I can either have no subtitles or all the subtitles. And, frankly, I've just about had it with working on the issue and the WAF factor is dropping every time I have to pause a movie for 15 minutes to figure out subtitles.
 

boomhower

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After perusing the darn near 300 page at xbmc there seems to be a lot of issues with HD playback on the Fire. With the hardware decoding problem with the Chromebox it seems the NUC is the best choice. I know there's bound to be a negative to it so what's bad about it other than a better one is coming out shortly? I'd love the new one but it seems when they will actually showing up on the shelves is a mystery.
 

smitbret

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After perusing the darn near 300 page at xbmc there seems to be a lot of issues with HD playback on the Fire. With the hardware decoding problem with the Chromebox it seems the NUC is the best choice. I know there's bound to be a negative to it so what's bad about it other than a better one is coming out shortly? I'd love the new one but it seems when they will actually showing up on the shelves is a mystery.

.... Ummm, I hate to be the guy that drags up bad news on everything, but the Intel NUCs have some trouble with the USB 3.0 ports dropping connections or slowing to a crawl, or something like that. I think it is relegated to just the Celeron based boxes but I am not sure since I didn't research anything more expensive than that. Supposedly the new version that came out in June but hasn't shipped yet, with the new chipset, has solved it.

http://www.maximumpc.com/intel_quietly_rolls_out_updated_bay_trail_nuc_stomps_out_usb_30_bug_2014

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34586-intel-updates-bay-trail-nuc-fixes-usb-issue

You may need to carefully research to make sure you don't get an old one
 
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poofyhairguy

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Settled on a Synology DS214 for the NAS so that's settled.

Perfect.

I'll pick up the HP IR if I go Chromebox

Perfect.

I wouldn't, I'd use the xbox one. I've realized that one box isn't going to work. Pretty much it's looking like the NUC/Chromebox for NAS related material plus various community sources and the xbox/Apple TV for Netflix/Hulu/Amazon. Not ideal but until that magic box comes along it's what I've got to work with.

Yup. Closest thing to shoving it together is a Roku plus Plex.

You can shut off the hardware encoding so it takes care of everything at the CPU level and the box handles it just fine but CPU usage goes from 10-15% to almost 80% depending on the source material. As a result, the box consumes more electricity, runs warmer and the fan may become more audible, although I haven't noticed mine at all.

Honestly in my opinion that is why a Chromebox is better than ANY ARM XBMC box- nothing beats the compatibility of x86 CPU decoding for video.

My videos are going to be encoded to mpeg4 for xbox compatibly, not sure the details of the exact encoding. I just use handbrake, select the xbox and hit go. Will this type be an issue?

There is a step you won't have to do anymore!!

When I say everything it may be a bit of an exaggeration but certainly most it will be. What are the issues with the Fire and XBMC? I'm considering getting 1-3 of them for the bedrooms if they run it OK. Willing to spend more for the main unit in the living room. It seems like a good one box for close to everything for secondary usage.

Issues with Fire TV compared to say a Chromebox:
1. Not enough power to decode every possible 1080p file.
2. Not compatible with all the many streaming plugins
3. Doesn't have ability to use best XBMC skins at 60fps
4. Remote is non-harmonizable

With the hardware decoding problem with the Chromebox it seems the NUC is the best choice.

The issue that the Chromebox has will affect almost every NUC since they all use Intel GPUs. The issue isn't really anything in hardware, its a combination of the fact that Intel's drivers are kinda crap and a lot of the linux media center stuff is first developed for Nvidia (Nvidia for Linux is what iOS is for mobile).

If you want THE BEST bar none experience for your main system you are doing what I did for my two main systems- a Micro ITX Haswell i3 build with a Nvidia GPU. Then you get enough CPU power to decode ANY file or run ANY skin, and NVidia's VDPAU will give you the best decoding, color correction, post-processing, and de-interlacing possible. If you want all that I can link you some parts, get ready to spend $250+.

But to be honest I wouldn't ask me, even I think my Nvidia boxes are overkill for anyone that isn't a nutcase about this like me. My Chromebox systems give 99% of the experience my Nvidia ones do.

Simply put, a Chromebox has enough CPU to play almost any 1080p file, run every plugin and run every skin. That is pretty much everything you need in a XBMC appliance.
 
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boomhower

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Perfect.



Perfect.



Yup. Closest thing to shoving it together is a Roku plus Plex.



Honestly in my opinion that is why a Chromebox is better than ANY ARM XBMC box- nothing beats the compatibility of x86 CPU decoding for video.



There is a step you won't have to do anymore!!



Issues with Fire TV compared to say a Chromebox:
1. Not enough power to decode every possible 1080p file.
2. Not compatible with all the many streaming plugins
3. Doesn't have ability to use best XBMC skins at 60fps
4. Remote is non-harmonizable



The issue that the Chromebox has will affect almost every NUC since they all use Intel GPUs. The issue isn't really anything in hardware, its a combination of the fact that Intel's drivers are kinda crap and a lot of the linux media center stuff is first developed for Nvidia (Nvidia for Linux is what iOS is for mobile).

If you want THE BEST bar none experience for your main system you are doing what I did for my two main systems- a Micro ITX Haswell i3 build with a Nvidia GPU. Then you get enough CPU power to decode ANY file or run ANY skin, and NVidia's VDPAU will give you the best decoding, color correction, post-processing, and de-interlacing possible. If you want all that I can link you some parts, get ready to spend $250+.

But to be honest I wouldn't ask me, even I think my Nvidia boxes are overkill for anyone that isn't a nutcase about this like me. My Chromebox systems give 99% of the experience my Nvidia ones do.

Simply put, a Chromebox has enough CPU to play almost any 1080p file, run every plugin and run every skin. That is pretty much everything you need in a XBMC appliance.

Ok, Chromebox it is. Done. Finished. Decision made.

Now what do I need to get live TV on it. Obviously an HD antenna but I'm sure I need something to go between. I'm not talking cable card, just over the air stuff. If it's to involved or to immature not a big deal, I'll just run it into my receiver and call it a day. We only get five or six channels.
 
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boomhower

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It's took some playing around but I'm finally getting the add-on stuff down. It seems most is pretty blah, sports in particular, but some of the others are pretty good, ice films in particular is very good.
 

smitbret

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Ok, Chromebox it is. Done. Finished. Decision made.

Now what do I need to get live TV on it. Obviously an HD antenna but I'm sure I need something to go between. I'm not talking cable card, just over the air stuff. If it's to involved or to immature not a big deal, I'll just run it into my receiver and call it a day. We only get five or six channels.

You made the right choice. Like I said, I don't hear the fan kick on my Chromebox if it even does at all and using the software decoding doesn't actually affect performance. I thought about an NUC for awhile, but by the time I bought the NUC and paid for memory, an HDD and the FLIRC (remote control receiver), it was more expensive for no difference in the experience with XBMC (I boot directly into XBMC via OpenELEC). The SSD that comes with it is small, but fast. Boots in about 3-5 seconds and runs all skins smoothly. It absolutely runs away from my old WDTV Live Hub when it comes to HD playback.
 

boomhower

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You made the right choice. Like I said, I don't hear the fan kick on my Chromebox if it even does at all and using the software decoding doesn't actually affect performance. I thought about an NUC for awhile, but by the time I bought the NUC and paid for memory, an HDD and the FLIRC (remote control receiver), it was more expensive for no difference in the experience with XBMC (I boot directly into XBMC via OpenELEC). The SSD that comes with it is small, but fast. Boots in about 3-5 seconds and runs all skins smoothly. It absolutely runs away from my old WDTV Live Hub when it comes to HD playback.

That's a big statement. I'd almost just buy a couple more live hubs. I really love mine minus the really long boot time.
 

ponyo

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Ok, Chromebox it is. Done. Finished. Decision made.

Now what do I need to get live TV on it. Obviously an HD antenna but I'm sure I need something to go between. I'm not talking cable card, just over the air stuff. If it's to involved or to immature not a big deal, I'll just run it into my receiver and call it a day. We only get five or six channels.

I use HD Homerun Dual tuner connected to HD antenna and plugged into my network. But I use it mainly for my Yoga 13 laptop with Windows 8, HP Chromebook 14, and all my Android tablets and phones like the HP Touchpad and the Nexus 7 all running XBMC. On my desktops with Window 7, I use WMC to watch live TV instead of XBMC.

I don't use it on my TV because all my TVs are connected to HD antenna up in the attic. I get over 70 channels. I don't need to complicate it or stream it since all my TVs are connected to the antenna. But on my mobile devices, XBMC and HD Homerun Dual works great and I can watch live TV on the HP Touchpad while my wife is watching something else on the living room TV. She likes me to sit with her while she watches TV. Sometimes I don't care for what she's watching so I watch what I want on the tablet or laptop while sitting next to her.
 
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boomhower

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I use HD Homerun Dual tuner connected to HD antenna and plugged into my network. But I use it mainly for my Yoga 13 laptop with Windows 8, HP Chromebook 14, and all my Android tablets and phones like the HP Touchpad and the Nexus 7 all running XBMC. On my desktops with Window 7, I use WMC to watch live TV instead of XBMC.

I don't use it on my TV because all my TVs are connected to HD antenna up in the attic. I get over 70 channels. I don't need to complicate it or stream it since all my TVs are connected to the antenna. But on my mobile devices, XBMC and HD Homerun Dual works great and I can watch live TV on the HP Touchpad while my wife is watching something else on the living room TV. She likes me to sit with her while she watches TV. Sometimes I don't care for what she's watching so I watch what I want on the tablet or laptop while sitting next to her.

I'll just run the antenna to my receiver, I only need it on my main TV. Here's my order, anything I'm missing. I'l move the WD Live Hub to my daughters room as the xbox is just to loud. My son will use his PS3 and we'll use the PS3 in our bedroom. Will also have the Apple TV and Xbox One in the living room to go along with the Chromebox. It will all be paid for in about six months of not having satellite. Again a Harmony Smart Hub will be used to control everything. Any need to for a keyboard, I'm really hoping not. The WAF would not be high on that one.

I'm hoping Google or another online streamer buys the next round of Sunday Ticket for next year and gets it away from DirecTV.

 

ponyo

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I'll just run the antenna to my receiver, I only need it on my main TV. Here's my order, anything I'm missing. I'l move the WD Live Hub to my daughters room as the xbox is just to loud. My son will use his PS3 and we'll use the PS3 in our bedroom. Will also have the Apple TV and Xbox One in the living room to go along with the Chromebox. It will all be paid for in about six months of not having satellite. Again a Harmony Smart Hub will be used to control everything. Any need to for a keyboard, I'm really hoping not. The WAF would not be high on that one.

I'm hoping Google or another online streamer buys the next round of Sunday Ticket for next year and gets it away from DirecTV.

That looks fine to me. But that Amazon indoor antenna probably won't work that great unless you get strong OTA signal. Amped antenna works so much better than non-amp. But it might not matter if you can only pickup 5-6 channels. Have you checked http://antennaweb.org/default.aspx to see how many OTA channels you can actually pickup in your area and the type of antenna you would need? I have $50 RCA indoor/outdoor antenna up in my attic that picks up everything. The antenna is hooked up to the cables left after disconnecting the Dish Network satellite. That saved me the trouble of having to rerun wires to all my TVs. Once you cancel the DirectTV, you can simply use reuse the wires that connected DirectTV to all your TVs.

I use Dell Optiplex w/ Win 7 in my basement as my main file server. It has two 2tb WD green drives for media. I also have Dell Vostro i5 Windows 7 desktops in the home office with 1tb drives with media. I share everything through SMB shares in XBMC. On my main living room TV, I have the Chromebox running dual boot ChromeOS and OpenELEC, jailbroken Apple TV2 /w XBMC, Xbox360, and PS3. Xbox360 and PS3 are used for games only because the Chromebox does everything faster and better. In my bedroom and my daughter's bedroom, I have JB AppleTV 2 /w XBMC and Chromecast connected to each TV. I have both XBMC and Plex installed on the Chromebox and Apple TV2 so I can use both although I use XBMC 95% of the time. I can also AirPlay, mirror, and Chromecast to every TV. I just finished building another i5 4690k with R9 280 HTPC. It will replace the Chromebox in the living room and I'll probably move the Chromebox to the bedroom. This setup works for me. You just have to find what works for you.
 

boomhower

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Say 20 channels from 7 stations. But needs a large preamp antenna to get Fox which is the most needed one. I could mount it in the attic but I dread running more wires through the walls. After setting up my cameras I swore I'd never do it again.
 

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If you're really okay with losing Amazon Prime, the Chromecast is the clear winner, to me at least.

It's $35, and I imagine you already have a smartphone or a tablet.
 

poofyhairguy

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Say 20 channels from 7 stations. But needs a large preamp antenna to get Fox which is the most needed one. I could mount it in the attic but I dread running more wires through the walls. After setting up my cameras I swore I'd never do it again.

That is where a HDhomerun rocks. Put the antenna in the attic and then connect them to the HDhomerun. Then the homerun can connect to your network via wireless or a single cat 6 cable. I think XBMC's PVR functionality is just what you are looking for, here is more info to make it all work:

http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=PVR

Overall your solution looks pretty awesome. Please ask if you run into anything on setup.
 

AstroManLuca

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I don't use YouTube on any streaming box or "smart" TV. I'm curious, how many people actually do that? (Honest question.)

I haven't used it a ton, but it is useful for music videos (my daughter loves those) and some documentaries that aren't available on Netflix/Amazon. There are a lot of BBC programs on YouTube.
 

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That looks fine to me. But that Amazon indoor antenna probably won't work that great unless you get strong OTA signal. Amped antenna works so much better than non-amp. But it might not matter if you can only pickup 5-6 channels. Have you checked http://antennaweb.org/default.aspx to see how many OTA channels you can actually pickup in your area and the type of antenna you would need? I have $50 RCA indoor/outdoor antenna up in my attic that picks up everything. The antenna is hooked up to the cables left after disconnecting the Dish Network satellite. That saved me the trouble of having to rerun wires to all my TVs. Once you cancel the DirectTV, you can simply use reuse the wires that connected DirectTV to all your TVs.

Hell my parents didn't even bother taking down their dish. They rented their house out a few years ago and the tenants got satellite. When they moved out, DirecTV didn't take their satellite back and now they can hook their TV up to it and get a decent signal. It's really just a hunk of metal on the roof. Could probably be improved if they aimed it or replaced it with a "real" antenna, but it's worth trying if you want to avoid having to buy one.
 

ponyo

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I haven't used it a ton, but it is useful for music videos (my daughter loves those) and some documentaries that aren't available on Netflix/Amazon. There are a lot of BBC programs on YouTube.

Yes, there are lot of documentaries and BBC programming on YouTube. The problem is searching and finding it. That's where Documentary video plugin for XBMC comes in handy. That add on has tons of documentaries all categorized and listed for you. So it's easy to select what you want to watch and many of the docs do seem to stream from YouTube. There are so many neat 3rd party plugins for XBMC that I sometimes spend more time playing around and exploring the plugins rather than watching the media content.
 

boomhower

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Here is what's available. First is an indoor antenna and the second is an outdoor antenna. Doesn't seem to be a huge difference. What powered antenna would you recommend? I'll spend a little to get something good. I do have a chimney it can be mounted on if needed but doesn't hardly seem worth the trouble.



 

ponyo

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Wow, ABC is the only channel you can receive with the indoor antenna. You're not going to receive blue or violet code channels without a big outdoor unit. The Fox station is going to be a problem.

Lot of the antennas have color codes outside the box to tell you which channels you can pick up. I have the RCA ANT751 which is only color coded for Yellow, Green, and Red. I can't pickup Blue or Violet coded channels.

You're going to need something like Winegard HD7698P with something like this preamp. The Winegard antenna is rated blue. They don't make violet code antenna. For violet color, you're supposed to use blue antenna with preamp. You might try installing it without preamp to see if you can pickup the Fox channel. If you can't or the signal is weak, then add the preamp. No point in buying the preamp if it works without it.

Double check with TVfool to make sure the AntennaWeb info is accurate. The TV Fool site is more comprehensive and accurate. You have to make sure the antenna is pointed in the direction of the Fox. You can use the iPhone compass app for that.

I'm no antenna expert. All this is just what I read and learned while researching the antenna for my house. Mine is in the attic which supposedly cuts the effectiveness by 50%. But I'm less than 20 miles away from all the stations. I can pickup all the major channels like ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, PBS, TBS, Univision, etc with regular indoor antenna. I added the attic antenna because my wife wanted to watch KBS and MBC which are two Korean channels the indoor antenna couldn't pick up.

You can also ask the sales people at Solid Signal for the type of antenna you would need.
 
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