Best Water Cooling ever?

[mindwreck]

pics of that thing?

 

[Turtle 1]

I will try for pics but he is really touchy about such things .

 

[kamranziadar]

$1600 woooooooooooowwww.

 

[JEDIYoda]

From BonzaiDuck--

I just got the unit from FedEx delivery. The heatsink-base is a very hefty chunk of copper. It makes the base of the XP120 look puny, so given the thermal resistance data and independent confirmation from another review, I have high hopes for maybe a 4 or 5F reduction in load temperature over the XP120.

Put another way, ThermalRight "wants" the SI120 to succeed the XP120, or they wouldn't be producing it. I think its appearance is timely, because of the flap about the CNPS-9500.

Actually my own take on the SI 120 is thermaltake is it is meant to co-exist with the XP 120!!
My reasoning is based on many many posts from this as well as other forums stating people would get the xp120 but it doesn`t fit there mobo...
Thus they are going after that segment of the market which is IMO quite large!

In fact you might even say they are tired of losing potential buisness to the like of Zalman and Scythe,,,etc,,,,,,

Yes I would tend to agree with you concerning the appearance of the si 120......
In fact you could say that ThermalRight made a blooper of sorts by NOT going after that market segment of those who would but can`t because of their mobo`s!!

Only time will tell!!
But its for certain other companies have benefitted from them not acting sooner!!!

 

[kamranziadar]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
From BonzaiDuck--

I just got the unit from FedEx delivery. The heatsink-base is a very hefty chunk of copper. It makes the base of the XP120 look puny, so given the thermal resistance data and independent confirmation from another review, I have high hopes for maybe a 4 or 5F reduction in load temperature over the XP120.

Put another way, ThermalRight "wants" the SI120 to succeed the XP120, or they wouldn't be producing it. I think its appearance is timely, because of the flap about the CNPS-9500.

Actually my own take on the SI 120 is thermaltake is it is meant to co-exist with the XP 120!!
My reasoning is based on many many posts from this as well as other forums stating people would get the xp120 but it doesn`t fit there mobo...
Thus they are going after that segment of the market which is IMO quite large!

In fact you might even say they are tired of losing potential buisness to the like of Zalman and Scythe,,,etc,,,,,,

Yes I would tend to agree with you concerning the appearance of the si 120......
In fact you could say that ThermalRight made a blooper of sorts by NOT going after that market segment of those who would but can`t because of their mobo`s!!

Only time will tell!!
But its for certain other companies have benefitted from them not acting sooner!!!

Dude looks like you posted in the wrong forum, we are talking about creating a water cooling.

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: kamranziadar
$1600 woooooooooooowwww.

Ya. I know what you mean . More $$$$ than higher performing units. He told me that even though his system. Is ment to run at between 10C to 20C.It can go to -20C with pre cautions taken for condension. I just want to play with it at 10c maybe 5C in the winter time. The thing that got me about this system is the shear coolness of it. Every detail is worked out power mangament/Sound level/ Coolness The water manage ment on this thing is unbleaveable 2 7/16" hoses 12 1/4" All those hoses and it looks spectacular. I buying the whole system from him case and Chiller set up. After that I will buy the rest of my parts from him after he knows if its going to be AMD or Intel. Than I will get him to help set it up for free. LOL. So I what am basicly buying is Case setup. I well be the only one they can get one this way. You thought the $ $1600 is high thats what he pays for the components. I am paying $5500 just for the case set up.

His system is called Nautilus It includes this The water chiller system/ 1000watt ACpower and cooling P/S. Chiller power supply/ Water hose management / Electrical wire management/ Electrical Power Manage/ Temp Controll/ Relay switches / 4 PA160 Rads./ 6 120mm fans / Fan controller/ Custom Camilion paint job with air brushed scenes of the Nautilus submarine.( Disney)? 3 655 pumps. The case it self is large but not to large it has 3 seperate compartments/Power management / Hardware management/Water management/ Thats how Iam buying it. The rest of the system will include .Vista Ultra/ CPU not determined top performance From Either AMD X2 or Intel Conroe. If Intel it will be Intel Cross fire motherboard. If intel it will come 10% O/C warranted If AMD M/B unnone. / 2x DVD BR or HD sata optics/2 port reservours/Soft light blue coloring scheme./2 xR600's GPU's/ 4 72GB Raptor H/D Raid 5 (thats 4 more 1/4" water lines.) (My system will be same as his2 raptors raid0.) Cost unkown estmate $7200.

 

[kamranziadar]

Umm interesting you should post a pictures, so we can see what you are talking about.

 

[biostud]

I've just ordered the Asetek AT12-L30 CPU/VGA/Chipset kit with 3x120 mm radiator, I'm quite excited about mounting this once it arrives.

 

[phr0m]

i want to see pictures of that sweet thing

 

[BonzaiDuck]

kamranziadar --

You corrected JediYoda that this is a "water-cooling" thread.

On the other hand, heatpipe coolers ARE liquid cooling.

But of course, we know what we mean by "water-cooling" here. I'm just splitting hairs -- don't mind me . . . .

Jedi -- They improved on the XP-120 design with a more massive heatsink base and choice of metals. They also added to the structural integrity of the unit by putting braces on the opposite side of the unit from where the heatpipes bend upward to the fins.

It'll be at least a week or two before I can report the performance differences -- I just finished my server-build and I have to do some extensive house-cleaning. Also -- the thermal paste would have to set.

Back to topic -- I want to do a water-cooling project, but I want it to be a "chilled" water cooling project. Preferably, I'd like to get the whole thing within the computer case, but there are advantages to having a reservoir located outside the box.

 

[kamranziadar]

Originally posted by: biostud
I've just ordered the Asetek AT12-L30 CPU/VGA/Chipset kit with 3x120 mm radiator, I'm quite excited about mounting this once it arrives.

So did order the same radiator, from JabTech and which Asetek AT12-L30 you ordered do you have any link for that.

What do you guys think about this

WaterCoolingKit

Plus This:
Radiator

These are the new things i found i would like to share with you guys check it out.

Dual 120mm fan Radiator

Pumps
Both are awesome & both do 300gph or more.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: kamranziadar

Originally posted by: biostud
I've just ordered the Asetek AT12-L30 CPU/VGA/Chipset kit with 3x120 mm radiator, I'm quite excited about mounting this once it arrives.

So did order the same radiator, from JabTech and which Asetek AT12-L30 you ordered do you have any link for that.

this kit is what I got

 

[kamranziadar]

That is an expensive one bro. Why you did not made up your own by buying parts.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Many things motivate people who come to this forum. Some people just want to build a computer, and others want to shimmy up cautiously to the "bleeding edge" of over-clocking.

A water-cooling system in commercial "kit" form is probably a way for many people to become more familiar with that sort of technology. For some -- I know it was for me -- it is a little uncomfortable to wrap your mind around the idea of conductive coolant circulating among electronic components or to easily accept it.

You're going to spend money on this stuff, whether you "try" to make home-made parts or you purchase individual components separately -- or you buy a kit. If you buy a kit, you may want to alter or enhance it in some way, and you will purchase additional parts.

Figure it's a matter of probabilities. The probability of building a quality, reliable rig from scavenged parts (e.g, the junk-yard auto heater-core) -- that probability is going to be lower for first-timers. The probability that you'll be comfortable -- for the first time -- with a "kit" with its warranties, replacement parts and other options, is greater.

 

[NotquiteanooB]

Well said ... BD
Precisely why I picked a kit, actually 2 kits ... soon to be 4 kits! The Corsair kits I picked must be pretty efficient. 2 OC'd P4's @ 39*C is not too bad. I think if I had picked various individual parts ... would I have saved any $ ? Probably not; shipping from different purchase points, etc.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Yup -- shipping-handling and taxes are the loose-joint in many budgets. You get accustomed to the idea that what you pay is "the price," but the little obligatory extras add up to wallet-leakage.

If your P4's are running at room temperatures in excess of 72-75F, I'd say you've installed some pretty darn efficient water-cooling systems -- if 39C is your load temperature under PRIME95's "Large FFT" test . . .

Probably the best way to save money is to settle on kits or parts with quality proven in several independent reviews. [NotQuiteANoob did well with his Corsair -- which got some good mention at Tom's Hardware a couple years past.] You will probably find that "high quality" is not synonymous with lowest price: you pay a bit more for "quality." But once you've settled on what you want, you can save money by shopping carefully.

I usually make a few spreadsheet entries to total the shipping, tax, price and discounts for an item. Sometimes, it's simple, because every reseller is charging the same price for something, but if you wait a few extra days and order from out-of-state, you can avoid some taxes. Some resellers offer "Free two-day shipping." The tax-avoidance often balances against greater shipping cost. [ . . . And nobody ever talks about the possibility of a state tax-audit to discover you didn't pay sales tax on some item, but that's close to the edge of "difficult to enforce." And that's why some states have reciprocal agreements on sales tax.]

 

[NotquiteanooB]

Both P4's are OC'd and running Seti@home CLI on both threads. I've never tried Prime95, but I assume Seti@Home is a good pressure test. 39*C CPU's; 33*C Mobo and 36* on the other mobo (1 less internal fan) and a room temp of 24*C. The AMD PC's are the next to be changed to watercooling.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: kamranziadar
What the ^&%&%&^ that was amazing man , but seriously i am thinking buying a Thermaltake Big Water SE, any body else has any suggestion, and great price link.

I have the bigwater, not very impressed with it, it's not any better than air cooling, just costs more. Acutaly I got better temps air cooled with the Thermaltake Jungle 512(54c max load) than I got with the bigwater(57c max load).

 

[BonzaiDuck]

As long as we're on the topic of water-cooling -- including "chilled" water-cooling, here's a thought.

In addition to their computer parts, Fry's "Outpost.com" sells other exotic gadgets, and among them, a TEC-cooled, dinner-table wine-bottle chiller that plugs into a wall socket.

So one might wonder what it would take to turn it into a water-cooling reservoir. Certainly, the heat that it exchanges "has to go somewhere." Otherwise, the device might easily fit inside a computer case . . .

 

[NotquiteanooB]

Perhaps set the reservoir in the wine chiller; or a set of cooling coils 'a la' a corn liquor still in the wine chiller.

 

[kamranziadar]

Ok i am really surprise from the results of water cooling. First of all i don;t see any improvement over the air cooling, because my XP-90 is giving me better temoerature after almost 50% overclock.

I am using XP-90 with E6 3000+ Amd vince @ 2.7ghz with 31c idle - 36c load temperatures.

So it will be stupid of me if i buy any expensive watercooling and get the same temperatures, because all the reviews and results i have seen in the last few weeks were not surprising.

Even i spend $399 for watercooling might give me 2-5c better results over my XP-90, which is totally a waste of money from my point of view.

But i really appreciate every bodies reviews,time & suggestions.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: kamranziadar
Ok i am really surprise from the results of water cooling. First of all i don;t see any improvement over the air cooling, because my XP-90 is giving me better temoerature after almost 50% overclock.

I am using XP-90 with E6 3000+ Amd vince @ 2.7ghz with 31c idle - 36c load temperatures.

So it will be stupid of me if i buy any expensive watercooling and get the same temperatures, because all the reviews and results i have seen in the last few weeks were not surprising.

Even i spend $399 for watercooling might give me 2-5c better results over my XP-90, which is totally a waste of money from my point of view.

But i really appreciate every bodies reviews,time & suggestions.

Well, just remember that motherboard temps can be way off. I would venture to say that either you live in the Arctic or your motherboard is reporting the wrong temps.

When I switched from an XP-120 to watercooling my temps dropped ~9C and that was at stock volts. Had I ever tested the XP-120 at 1.65V (I was too scared to run that vcore on air cooling) I'm sure the delta would have been much larger, probably 15C or so.

The biggest difference that watercooling made for me though was how much cooler my X850XT PE ran. I went from loading at 80C to loading at 39C which allowed me to oc the card another 40Mhz. My 3DMark05 score went from ~6900 to 7500 because of the watercooling. Not that 3DMark is the end all be all, but it gives a rough estimate of % increase in games.

 

[kamranziadar]

I am using XP-90 with artic silver5. I checked my motherboard temperature with various softwares like Nvidia NTune, MSI's CoreCell, In BIOS, etc all showed the same temperature.
Do you know any other way i can check it.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: kamranziadar
I am using XP-90 with artic silver5. I checked my motherboard temperature with various softwares like Nvidia NTune, MSI's CoreCell, In BIOS, etc all showed the same temperature.
Do you know any other way i can check it.

The problem with using different software apps to monitor temps is that they all get the information from the same sensor on the motherboard. If the sensor's off than all of the programs will also be off.

If you use a temp probe stuck either right down next to the base of the sink or up under the sink right next to the chip, than you should get accurate readings. The other way of doing it is by using a thermal temp sensor like they use in a radiator shop. I believe it uses a laser which you point at the base of the sink or as close to the chip as possible and it will give you fairly accurate temps.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

ElFear -- I may have read through the additional posts too quickly, but I'm thinking when you said your temperatures decreased over those of the XP-120 after water-cooling application that you meant both idle and load.

This, by itself, would be good. But did the spread between idle and load temperatures decrease significantly?

If the hype about the Asetek heatpipe coolers and the more specific bench results on the ThermalRight XP-120 can be an indication, we now have an overlap between aspects of water-cooling performance and that of heatpipe coolers.

I think if water-cooling is to remain viable, we're going to see kits soon that utilize some sort of TEC chiller. Enough people have been doing this in exotic projects recently, and places like Sidewinder Computers sell the parts for it.