Best Way to Stream MKVs to Living Room

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WelshBloke

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XBMC doesn't transcode though, it's a media organizer, and a good search function is useful and all but what if I don't know what I want to watch?
You're saying metadata is NOT important to you on your PC.

Say you want to watch a comedy movie, only from 2013+, with a rating higher than 7 on imdb?
How do you find that in your current library on your PC?

Also, how big is your library on your PC because that may be why I'm so lost. I don't see a way to easily navigate your library without organization but if you have a small library well, then obviously XBMC isn't as useful since you have few options and you know exactly what you want to watch already.

I'd probably use the Plex web app if all that was important to me but TBH if I want to watch something specific I'll search for it by name (and my media is pretty organised so I could find it in explorer in a couple of clicks if I needed to).

All I'm saying is that programs that take over the PC and have the 10' interface seem overly limiting on a general purpose PC with a KB&M and if youre going to use a dedicated box theres cheaper and easier options than using a PC.
 

tential

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I'd probably use the Plex web app if all that was important to me but TBH if I want to watch something specific I'll search for it by name (and my media is pretty organised so I could find it in explorer in a couple of clicks if I needed to).

All I'm saying is that programs that take over the PC and have the 10' interface seem overly limiting on a general purpose PC with a KB&M and if youre going to use a dedicated box theres cheaper and easier options than using a PC.

Huh? It doesn't take over the screen at all. You can make it anysize you want. Generally, I have it 1/2 to 1/4 of the screen so I can watch Live Sports, then I'll post online/browse the internet on the other half.

My media is organized as well, but as I said, you have no way of searching by a specific attribute. Like if you only want to watch a movie with a 7 imdb or higher, you have no way of doing that. You have to KNOW what you want to watch. Which when you have a ton of options, it's hard to narrow down without criteria. Also what if you watch a show, then stop watching for a couple of weeks, then pick it back up. Now you have to remember what episode you're on. I still haven't started watching Warehouse 13, or The Mentalist again because I have NO IDEA what episode I left off at. Meanwhile, I stopped watching Brickleberry and I still know exactly what episode I'm on, same with South Park (though I'd remember anyway since it's so funny).

Like I said though, how large is your library?

Because I didn't have this problem when I had a small library. I got XBMC because my library was far too large to navigate by folders. Each time I add a new hard drive, I'd have to reorganize my whole library to make it alphabetical again.
 

WelshBloke

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Like I said though, how large is your library?.

Not massive. Its a couple of TB at the moment but I've only just started MKVing my DVDs.

I tend to watch something because I want to watch that specific thing, I dont have a massive amount of freetime. The wife and kids watch a bit more using Plex on the AFTV though.
 

tential

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Not massive. Its a couple of TB at the moment but I've only just started MKVing my DVDs.

I tend to watch something because I want to watch that specific thing, I dont have a massive amount of freetime. The wife and kids watch a bit more using Plex on the AFTV though.

Ya, at a couple of TB, I already knew my library by heart. If I wanted to watch something, I knew what it was.

Now? Now, I say "I want to watch a Sci Fi series next!" Then, I go to genre Sci Fi, and I picked Battlestar Galactica.

But that's because now my library is 27 TB instead of 1.5 TB it used to be.
Even if I know I want to watch True Blood, I don't know what episode I'm on if I only watch it maybe once/twice a week. I almost ALWAYS forget, then I waste time looking up the episode descriptions, maybe I'll get a spoiler, etc. I STILL don't know what episode of True Blood I'm on actually, so I don't watch it because I dont' want to waste time rewatching the show.

Now? I'll come home, post online a bit, then say "I want to watch TV" I click on Kodi, it boots instantly, 1 arrow key over to TV Shows, 2 Arrow Keys up, takes me into the "Next Episode of In Progress TV Shows" Then I just click the show I want to watch. It's far quicker than looking through 7 HDD's of content. Once your library hits multiple HDDs, you can either restructure it each time you add a new HDD (A PAIN IN THE ASS) or you can simply load up XBMC and click "Next episode."
 

Nebor

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I'd probably use the Plex web app if all that was important to me but TBH if I want to watch something specific I'll search for it by name (and my media is pretty organised so I could find it in explorer in a couple of clicks if I needed to).

All I'm saying is that programs that take over the PC and have the 10' interface seem overly limiting on a general purpose PC with a KB&M and if youre going to use a dedicated box theres cheaper and easier options than using a PC.

That's pretty much the point of this thread. Having an HTPC with a Logitech dinovo mini was too much of a pain in the ass in the living room. That's why it's going in the garbage in favor of an Xbox One. If that doesn't work, then I'll give the Chromecast + standalone Blu-ray player a shot.
 

tential

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That's pretty much the point of this thread. Having an HTPC with a Logitech dinovo mini was too much of a pain in the ass in the living room. That's why it's going in the garbage in favor of an Xbox One. If that doesn't work, then I'll give the Chromecast + standalone Blu-ray player a shot.

Xbox one is too walled off to work for me personally. No dts audio is a joke.

Me personally, my dedicated come box for pure Xbmc will be a j1900 nuc or a raspi
 

poofyhairguy

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That's pretty much the point of this thread. Having an HTPC with a Logitech dinovo mini was too much of a pain in the ass in the living room. That's why it's going in the garbage in favor of an Xbox One. If that doesn't work, then I'll give the Chromecast + standalone Blu-ray player a shot.



Me personally, my dedicated come box for pure Xbmc will be a j1900 nuc or a raspi

Come on tential, the Chromebox bandwagon is waiting for you. You know you want an interface that does 60 fps and not 30 fps like the Pis do.
 

Nebor

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Xbox one is too walled off to work for me personally. No dts audio is a joke.

Me personally, my dedicated come box for pure Xbmc will be a j1900 nuc or a raspi

DTS Audio is forthcoming on Xbox One. It's just a matter of time.
 

tential

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Come on tential, the Chromebox bandwagon is waiting for you. You know you want an interface that does 60 fps and not 30 fps like the Pis do.

I could have sworn there was an issue with the Chromebox that I didn't like. I just can't seem to find the current known issues. It was something minor, but minor enough for me to want the J1900 again. Probably fixed now for all I know though.
 

poofyhairguy

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I could have sworn there was an issue with the Chromebox that I didn't like. I just can't seem to find the current known issues. It was something minor, but minor enough for me to want the J1900 again. Probably fixed now for all I know though.

I would love to know if you remember.
 

poofyhairguy

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Unless i'm mixing it up with the FireTV and Android not playing well with refresh rates.

The only "holdup" I know with the Chromebox is that it is better to use CPU decoding. I don't know why that would be a big deal though.
 

tential

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The only "holdup" I know with the Chromebox is that it is better to use CPU decoding. I don't know why that would be a big deal though.

Meh that doesn't matter to me. My biggest thing is Steam in Home Streaming is so good that I almost always want a box to be capable of it.
 

Nebor

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Is there any point in getting an i3 chromebox, or are the celeron ones fine?
 

WelshBloke

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That's pretty much the point of this thread. Having an HTPC with a Logitech dinovo mini was too much of a pain in the ass in the living room. That's why it's going in the garbage in favor of an Xbox One. If that doesn't work, then I'll give the Chromecast + standalone Blu-ray player a shot.

Right. So Plex media server on the NAS and Plex client stuff on everything else.

Its free unless you go for the Plex pass stuff. I'd try that before spending money on anything else first.

Unless your media isnt organised properly, then its going to be a pain in the arse.
 

tential

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Right. So Plex media server on the NAS and Plex client stuff on everything else.

Its free unless you go for the Plex pass stuff. I'd try that before spending money on anything else first.

Unless your media isnt organised properly, then its going to be a pain in the arse.

Filebot.net

That would significantly speed up the process of organizing media. Took me 2-3 hours to do a couple thousand files with it when I first started and nothing was organized correctly.
 

WelshBloke

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Filebot.net

That would significantly speed up the process of organizing media. Took me 2-3 hours to do a couple thousand files with it when I first started and nothing was organized correctly.

Filebot is indeed awesome. :thumbsup:

Its still labour intensive to go through everything. Worth it when your done though.
 

Nebor

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Right. So Plex media server on the NAS and Plex client stuff on everything else.

Its free unless you go for the Plex pass stuff. I'd try that before spending money on anything else first.

Unless your media isnt organised properly, then its going to be a pain in the arse.

The problem is that Plex Media Server isn't able to transcode on the vast majority of NAS devices. They simply lack the processing power. Now if you have an i3 or better powered NAS, that'd be an ideal solution. My Netgear Readynas Pro is powered by an Intel Atom though.

So it seems like I could probably run Plex Media Server on my NAS if I just wanted to play directly to my Samsung TV, since my Samsung TV can nativly play MKVs with DD\DTS\DTSHD. But since I want a better (faster) UI than the TV can provide, I'm getting an Xbox One, which will require transcoding for DTS\DTSHD. So I have to run the Plex Media Server on my desktop PC, which is on 27\7 anyway.

So my first shot at getting rid of the HTPC is an Xbox One and a Plex pass. $400 for the Xbox and $150 for the Plex Pass. If that doesn't work I'll get one of the Chromeboxes for $300 or so and a standalone blu-ray player for $80.
 

tential

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Filebot is indeed awesome. :thumbsup:

Its still labour intensive to go through everything. Worth it when your done though.

Renaming files by hand that had to be renamed by hand was the most time consuming. I had to rename a ton of things that refused to scan, or had incorrect numbers compared to theTVDB.
And you still have to manually check everything to ensure airdate is the DVD date (Firefly for example).
Then even after that, I check to ensure that the show was aired in the correct order as well, and if not switch it to DVD air date to ensure it's in the correct order (B in apartment 23 is also like that, Almost Human I think, TOO MANY SHOWS RECENTLY ARE AIRED OUT OF ORDER).

I don't understand what idiot thinks airing a show out of order is a good idea, it's annoying.
 

WelshBloke

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The problem is that Plex Media Server isn't able to transcode on the vast majority of NAS devices. They simply lack the processing power. Now if you have an i3 or better powered NAS, that'd be an ideal solution. My Netgear Readynas Pro is powered by an Intel Atom though..

Have you given it a go?

My NAS has got an Atom CPU and it does fine. (it is an 8 core atom though)
 

Nebor

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Have you given it a go?

My NAS has got an Atom CPU and it does fine. (it is an 8 core atom though)

Plex lists the ReadyNas 4 as unable to to transcode anything, and rates it "below minimum specs" to even run the Plex server software. To be honest it has trouble even keeping up with more than 4 bittorrents at one time.
 

tential

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The problem is that Plex Media Server isn't able to transcode on the vast majority of NAS devices. They simply lack the processing power. Now if you have an i3 or better powered NAS, that'd be an ideal solution. My Netgear Readynas Pro is powered by an Intel Atom though.

So it seems like I could probably run Plex Media Server on my NAS if I just wanted to play directly to my Samsung TV, since my Samsung TV can nativly play MKVs with DD\DTS\DTSHD. But since I want a better (faster) UI than the TV can provide, I'm getting an Xbox One, which will require transcoding for DTS\DTSHD. So I have to run the Plex Media Server on my desktop PC, which is on 27\7 anyway.

So my first shot at getting rid of the HTPC is an Xbox One and a Plex pass. $400 for the Xbox and $150 for the Plex Pass. If that doesn't work I'll get one of the Chromeboxes for $300 or so and a standalone blu-ray player for $80.

Wait, did that net gear readynas cost you $1000?
 

Nebor

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Wait, did that net gear readynas cost you $1000?

I don't think it was that much... I bought it empty and filled it up with 3tb drives (the largest available at the time.) I think the total cost was $1200.
 

tential

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I don't think it was that much... I bought it empty and filled it up with 3tb drives (the largest available at the time.) I think the total cost was $1200.

Jesus christ man, why not just build a PC?
At $1200 you could have filled it with 3TB drives, and gotten an i5....
 

Nebor

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Jesus christ man, why not just build a PC?
At $1200 you could have filled it with 3TB drives, and gotten an i5....

Because then I'd have another PC running 27\7 requiring windows updates, java updates, and all the other pain that comes with an additional PC?

The NAS just sits there running 24\7, quiet and cool. It requires no updates, or restarts, or anything. It's tucked in the bottom of my entertainment center with power strip, router, switch & cable box\modem. If anything I wish I had spent more and gotten a more capable NAS. I don't like the idea of the NAS being dependent on my desktop PC to transcode for Plex.
 
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