Beto for 2020

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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Lol! He challenged the elitism? How exactly? By having the richest cabinet members in history? You voted directly for elitism, you voted for a guy born with a golden spoon in his mouth for Christ's sake!

I'll give you trumps isolationist policies but they are isolationist because he's working to help putin.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Lol! He challenged the elitism? How exactly? By having the richest cabinet members in history? You voted directly for elitism, you voted for a guy born with a golden spoon in his mouth for Christ's sake!

I'll give you trumps isolationist policies but they are isolationist because he's working to help putin.


It is quite amusing, UC has bought the populist lie completely.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Lets take these one at a time, shall we?

For one challenge the elitism that was so pervasive and shined a light on parts of America which were ignored or forgotten before.

By elitism you don't mean rich, because Trump is a self proclaimed 3rd generation billionaire that literally has a golden toilet, what you mean is smart and well educated. The idea that smart people are leading us and finding solutions to problems seems to bother you. I'm not sure what I can say about that other than it does not really work out very well when you let dumb people find solutions to problems. I would have thought that was obvious.

Came in and said globalism isn’t the solution to everything, we get cheap goods but it does a lot of harm to the US as well.

All while claiming to head a global corporation. Also, note that while America claims that they don't want the globalism, we certainly don't want to pay for native made goods. He complained about a problem, but offered no working solutions. It is all anger and bile but no cure. Here is a tip, only listen to the people that offer solutions, not the one that just complain about the problems.

Shook up both parties.
That he did, but with no goal in mind. Destabilizing our government with no path to a better one is not good. While our government might have problems it is much better than anarchy.

Takes a more militarily isolationist approach compared to prior admins.

Yes. Which is a very bad thing. That approach never works. It has been tried again and again by practically every government in the world and has failed every single time. Like it or not we can not ignore the rest of the world. All the systems are intertwined you can't separate one strand out of the web and expect it to stand.

Voice what’s on people’s minds and tap into the frustration people have at the offended by everything culture these days.

And offered no solutions. Anger does not for good policy.

In effect just turn political thinking on its head, there’s no more business as usual politics. The norms are gone as they should be.
Those norms you talk about were there to prevent corruption. They were not perfect, but they had a purpose. Without them there is nothing to stop the abuse of power. You voted for rule by people that are dumb, emotional, and self serving. Do you really expect that to be better?
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
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Yes. Which is a very bad thing. That approach never works. It has been tried again and again by practically every government in the world and has failed every single time. Like it or not we can not ignore the rest of the world. All the systems are intertwined you can't separate one strand out of the web and expect it to stand.


Amazing how simply having a Trump in office has turned the left into a bunch of neocons.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Amazing how simply having a Trump in office has turned the left into a bunch of neocons.

You seem to equate not being an isolationist with being a neo con. Neo cons actively advocated for military driven regime change. I don’t recall @SMOGZINN pushing for that especially since Trump was elected. Perhaps you can offer some evidence for your assertion?
 
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You seem to equate not being an isolationist with being a neo con. Neo cons actively advocated for military driven regime change. I don’t recall @SMOGZINN pushing for that especially since Trump was elected. Perhaps you can offer some evidence for your assertion?

You'll have to give him time to find the correct talking point.
 
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UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
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You seem to equate not being an isolationist with being a neo con. Neo cons actively advocated for military driven regime change. I don’t recall @SMOGZINN pushing for that especially since Trump was elected. Perhaps you can offer some evidence for your assertion?


So yes to Team America World Police just so long as it’s not regime change we’re after?
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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Beto votes like a republican. He's basically a less racist republican so, he's a no go.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Amazing how simply having a Trump in office has turned the left into a bunch of neocons.
You have no idea of what level of slow bias you give away when you type out "the left" like this.. Why dont you bind it out in neon and put it above your next concern thread..
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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I've been saying awhile now if Beto chooses a qualified female as running mate, he is a serious contender with excellent odds. Lots of people like Biden, but it's hard to ignore the widespread sentiment of it being time for a younger generation to take the wheel. The pros far outweigh the cons with Beto IMO, but then it all sort of seems irrelevant given the disaster currently in the WH. Anything is better than a Russian asset with dementia who fans the fires of racism.

Saw a clip of Beto in Iowa yesterday where a guy in the crowd puts him on the spot about picking a woman. I got a kick out of the woman in the background (but framed between them) looking at the supporter talking with Beto. That was the smile of a woman thinking "damn I want to kiss this guy" lol
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I've been saying awhile now if Beto chooses a qualified female as running mate, he is a serious contender with excellent odds. Lots of people like Biden, but it's hard to ignore the widespread sentiment of it being time for a younger generation to take the wheel. The pros far outweigh the cons with Beto IMO, but then it all sort of seems irrelevant given the disaster currently in the WH. Anything is better than a Russian asset with dementia who fans the fires of racism.

Saw a clip of Beto in Iowa yesterday where a guy in the crowd puts him on the spot about picking a woman. I got a kick out of the woman in the background (but framed between them) looking at the supporter talking with Beto. That was the smile of a woman thinking "damn I want to kiss this guy" lol

Beto seems likable (though perhaps a bit hollow), I still don't get why people like Biden. many of Biden's policies/positions are IMO pretty awful and irreconcilable: crime bill, doma, death penalty, anti-mj,
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Beto seems likable (though perhaps a bit hollow), I still don't get why people like Biden. many of Biden's policies/positions are IMO pretty awful and irreconcilable: crime bill, doma, death penalty, anti-mj,

I like him as a person. As a politician he needs to update himself on the wants and needs of the Dem's 20-40 year old constituency and realize that they are a serious force to be reckoned with in the party.
 

VRAMdemon

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Aug 16, 2012
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I’m lukewarm at this point. Don't know enough of what he's all about. I assume he’s angling for VP? I have trouble imagining he can really get enough traction to win. He seems to be a good campaigner. Good at retail politics.

If O'Rourke's case is that he can deliver Texas, then he may be dead in the water. He couldn't win a statewide race against Cruz, and Trump is more popular than Cruz in Texas. Ergo, he won't be able to win a statewide race against Trump, either. He would probably make Texas closer than any of the other candidates could, but this isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. Close doesn't matter. I do like the guy though.

I don't see how you go from a losing Senate campaign to the presidency. Abraham Lincoln notwithstanding. Maybe he can still make a successful run for governor in 2022. But I'm not sure his presidential campaign will help. I'm surprised he didn't make a senate run. If anyone had a chance to unseat Cornyn, it's Beto.
 
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