Beto for 2020

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DrDoug

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The GOP has issued their St. Patrick's Day message for all to enjoy:



I guess the GOP has decided that the drunken Irish stereotype is a winning message for them this year. Republicans are fucking tone deaf in their attempts at what they think is humor.
 

Fenixgoon

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The GOP has issued their St. Patrick's Day message for all to enjoy:

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I guess the GOP has decided that the drunken Irish stereotype is a winning message for them this year. Republicans are fucking tone deaf in their attempts at what they think is humor.

but if it pisses off the libs then it must be good.

using a meme-style image for political messaging is probably the most disingenuous ways to attack an opponent ...but sadly, it's also most likely to go viral and have people agree with it because it makes a condensed point (however incorrect) without requiring people to think. and then they hit the like/share/retweet button
 

ch33zw1z

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The GOP has issued their St. Patrick's Day message for all to enjoy:

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I guess the GOP has decided that the drunken Irish stereotype is a winning message for them this year. Republicans are fucking tone deaf in their attempts at what they think is humor.

Just make sure you call the Devil's Triangle cab service.
 

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The GOP has issued their St. Patrick's Day message for all to enjoy:

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I guess the GOP has decided that the drunken Irish stereotype is a winning message for them this year. Republicans are fucking tone deaf in their attempts at what they think is humor.

Which of Matt Gaetz DUI shots is this?
 

zinfamous

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but if it pisses off the libs then it must be good.

using a meme-style image for political messaging is probably the most disingenuous ways to attack an opponent ...but sadly, it's also most likely to go viral and have people agree with it because it makes a condensed point (however incorrect) without requiring people to think. and then they hit the like/share/retweet button

well, they voted a meme into the presidency, so it does make sense.
 

Jhhnn

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hummm on the other hand i bet you would vote him because he a D to his name. amirite?

I would. To borrow from Bernie Sanders, I'd say that any Democrat is 100X better than any Republican. It wasn't necessarily that way 40 years ago, before the GOP became the party of hurt feelings, xenophobia, racism & greed. To vote GOP is to vote for the economic demise of the middle class.
 

Starbuck1975

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Beto seems likable (though perhaps a bit hollow), I still don't get why people like Biden. many of Biden's policies/positions are IMO pretty awful and irreconcilable: crime bill, doma, death penalty, anti-mj,
Beto reminds me of the skater dudes who were besides themselves when Green Day went mainstream.
 
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Bitek

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Beto seems likable (though perhaps a bit hollow), I still don't get why people like Biden. many of Biden's policies/positions are IMO pretty awful and irreconcilable: crime bill, doma, death penalty, anti-mj,

Biden is a known quantity, has all the afterglow from his time in the Obama WH, and can stand toe to toe with Trump vebally.

Then there are the moments of genuine human kindness and compassion, like the appearance on the View where he was talking with Megan McCain and her father was gravely ill.

So yeah, some of his history and positions look terribly out of date, but then again you know the guy pretty well and know he's not a horrible person, so that blunts that.

Really it comes down to imo, can one of the younger set prove they are ready, if not the reliable old vet will get the call one more time.
 

Bitek

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Beto definitely has the It factor that really hasn't been seen since Obama.

We'll see where he goes however. Lots of landmines to step on out there.

If he does manage to win, I predict he'll take a WOC like Harris, or perhaps even better, Stacy Abrams. There has to be some diversity on the ticket.
 

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Harris won't take VP. I think Klobuchar would be an awesome VP but not sure she'd want to be second fiddle either. In general I'm down for a Beto/Klobuchar ticket and think that would sell well in a lot of the midwest/upper midwest.
 

Sunburn74

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this is my view on Beto.

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The basic socioeconomic description you are putting forth describes pretty much everyone who's anyone in national level politics. I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing other than rich people shouldn't be in politics, which on its face seems a highly flawed statement.

He was born rich. (He didn't control that)
He dodged charges a long time ago. (The charges of a 26 year old Beto were fully dismissed; this actually makes him innocent which goes beyond simply being not guilty. I tend to call people guilty who were actually found guilty with charges that stuck. Otherwise its just needlessly running people's name through the mud)
He gentrified poor neighborhoods. (Hard to judge if that's a good or bad thing. Gentrification has complex effects depending on who you ask)
He married a rich lady. (He did control that but if he loves her and treats her well what do you care?)

Just try and be fair when you're judging a candidate. People don't hate Trump for stuff he said or did at 26. People hate him for stuff he said or did at like at age 70.
 

compuwiz1

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That's what happens when you don't read past the headline.

And, hey, he might understand enough about digital tech to speak intelligently about the Cyber, huh?


Beto has words out there, on the indelible internet, that may or may not hurt him. Depends on how the media spins it. Politics is a dirty business.
 

Bitek

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Harris won't take VP. I think Klobuchar would be an awesome VP but not sure she'd want to be second fiddle either. In general I'm down for a Beto/Klobuchar ticket and think that would sell well in a lot of the midwest/upper midwest.

I could see where she'd be a great VP, and I agree it would play well in the upper Midwest, but I can't see the Ds ending up with two white ppl on the ticket in the current climate.

That's the only problem with Amy as a candidate when a number of the other front runners are white men. Could we get two women on the ticket? Maybe. Two white women?... When black women delivered in 2017 and 2018?

The presidency will be decided in the rust belt, I just don't know that the Ds can ignore the non-white part of the base and not get slammed.


As far as Harris goes, I don't know how anyone turns down a VP as that's the inside lane to the Pres nomination next go around. What would concern me more is the low level of support among the black community than you would expect. That's why Abrams would be so powerful.
 
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Dems play identity politics and they lose. Rust belt is won on white bread, not color. Don't win the rust belt, don't win the electoral college. It's not the black vote in Detroit and Milwaukee that you need. It's getting whitey mcwhiterson indepedent and young voters to pull the lever in those states. Same for Iowa. Same for florida. Same for Ohio. We're talking razor thin margins here. If you have to lean on small fractions of black votes in urban areas to squeek a win, you've already lost.
 

UglyCasanova

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Beto definitely has the It factor that really hasn't been seen since Obama.


Yep he is the new Obama and that shouldn’t be discounted. As Obama and Trump both shown the candidate that energizes peoplemis the one that wins. No matter of their policies Harris and Biden don’t. Bernie does but I don’t think could to as many people plus he energies the opposition just as much. It’s way too early to tell anything but Beto has a real shot assuming he doesn’t do anything stupid to derail it, and even then who knows.
 

blankslate

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Beto raised 6.1 million in the first 24 hours of his campaign.

Who donated though?
According to all polls I have seen he's polling around 8% or so... and has a massive amount of funds raised in the first 24 hours... It's possible but probably not from small donors...
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...22/beto-orourke-fundraising-haul-2020-sanders
But O’Rourke’s campaign didn’t specify the number of contributors, nor did it denote an average donation. The first Federal Elections Commission official quarterly campaign finance filings won’t be public until April. Until then, there’s no way to drill into these numbers.

While Bernies campaign did release the approximate numbers of individual donors...
https://www.businessinsider.com/ber...ions-record-2020-presidential-campaign-2019-2
150,000 within the 1st day and about 360,000 in the first week.

An interesting video...

A comment from the above video....
Unconfirmed reports are that 4.5 million of it came from his Texas senate race. He transferred the money to the Texas DNC, and they transferred it back to him after he announced. That could be why he doesn’t want to reveal individual donors. He’s going to eventually have to report the numbers, but by that time the press will have moved on. Pretty clever tactic Beto, you are disingenuous.


In short does Beto's amount of money raised reflect grassroots support or support from the Monied Interests? Given the details that CNN didn't report because they didn't have the information and won't until FCC is told by law I'd bet on the latter.


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