Betsy Devos speaks on campus rape.

xthetenth

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Considering who she talked with before the speech, I am not hopeful in the slightest.
 

trenchfoot

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I don't mind at all what she does in the public eye to curry favor from those that would benefit from her disfavorable view of the public educational system simply because it exposes her intentions or her sleight of hand moves that she uses to mask her assigned agenda.

Like any appointee that Trump installs for the purpose of dismantling an/or corrupting said federal agency in favor of the very wealthy, it's what she's doing behind our backs that worries me.

The GOP are masters at covertly subverting the public's interests and benefits it receives for their tax dollars in order to divert those resources toward the very wealthy, and Trump has exponentially expanded that factor due to his penchant for indulging himself with self-enriching scams and deals of the rich and famous. As POTUS, he and his henchmen are like kids getting dropped off at a mega candy and toy store with no limit credit cards in hand.
 

justoh

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Depending on the news source, she's either encouraging rape, or discouraging it with her new plans on changing the rules.

http://www.salon.com/2017/07/14/rep...-bizarre-christian-right-tilt-is-no-accident/

Help me out here, please

Such groups actively promote the idea that most such accusations come from women who lie about rape to conceal their supposedly slutty behavior or lie about domestic violence to get an advantage in divorce proceedings. MRA groups also argue, in cases where they can’t deny the violence happened, that the victim had it coming.

But the article linked doesn't seem to support that... What did I miss?
 

justoh

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In other words, fake news? It starts with a dubious association between "rape culture" skepticism and the christian right, when plenty of people who aren't religious are also skeptical. I think the author of the article probably knows this, and it's therefore a knowingly dishonest angle. Then it claimed that MRA groups have argued that the victims have had it coming, and linked to an article that seemingly doesn't support that statement at all, further proving her dishonesty (I assume it's a woman).
 

ch33zw1z

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If you read the articles, it's more like the men's organization has no problem publicly attacking rape accusers, whether it's true or not.

Or this little gem...regarding ray rice

I tried to steady the boat: “But, I mean, that's just playground logic. You realize we're talking about a 200-pound man assaulting a woman less than half his size. Can we really claim self-defense here?”

“You simply can't scapegoat one participant just because he has the penis,” Crouch said. “If a little person without a penis instigates, she will never be accountable for her actions.”

“I still don't understand how you can see this as a fair fight,” I said. “You're actually defending Ray Rice?”

“I'm not saying he's a good guy. But if she hadn't aggravated him, she wouldn't have been hit. They would say that's blaming the victim. But I don't buy it. And anyway football is always happy to put on pink suits to celebrate women. Why can't they have a week, or just one day, where they celebrate men?”

“They sort of celebrate men every day in the NFL though, right?”

“Sure, but the men are taking all the hits, and then the players' wives organize the NFL breast cancer initiative. Shouldn't football participate in Movember, or do something for prostate awareness?”

From the article, aka she had it coming.

That attitude doesn't stop at hitting women either.

Men are not the victims. If you don't want to be accused of rape, don't nail drunk chicks. Oh those poor poor persecuted men
 
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Commodus

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In other words, fake news? It starts with a dubious association between "rape culture" skepticism and the christian right, when plenty of people who aren't religious are also skeptical. I think the author of the article probably knows this, and it's therefore a knowingly dishonest angle. Then it claimed that MRA groups have argued that the victims have had it coming, and linked to an article that seemingly doesn't support that statement at all, further proving her dishonesty (I assume it's a woman).

On top of what ch33zw1z said, it's not really a secret that MRAs and other misogynists frequently lean on victim blaming.

"She shouldn't have gotten drunk. She shouldn't have been dressed like that. She shouldn't have talked to him before." Basically: anything to shift the responsibility away from the man, as if there was nothing he could have done to avoid raping that woman.
 
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justoh

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The author claimed MRA(s) argued, in cases undeniably involving sexual violence, that the victims had it coming. This wasn't supported by the link. None of the replies were relevant to this point. It's like you guys don't even care about the truth
 

ch33zw1z

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Which truth? Stay on topic justoh, you're picking one piece to run with. You're seriously gonna sit there and say it's not true because that link doesn't spell it out for you. Fine, go for it.

Like I've already stated, and it's completely relevant, keep it in your pants and there's no trouble. You wanna run around sticking it in whatever...then don't be surprised if shitty drama comes chasing you.

Now back to the topic at hand, Devos entertaining MRA's in this manner doesn't bode well for anyone. Men are far from the persecuted gender in the world.

enjoy some light reading of the idiocy that these MRA's, and Devos, adhere to.
https://goprapeadvisorychart.com/

and some light reading about the topic you're chasing:

http://www.southernct.edu/sexual-misconduct/facts.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/opinion/sunday/who-blames-the-victim.html
 
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Commodus

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The author claimed MRA(s) argued, in cases undeniably involving sexual violence, that the victims had it coming. This wasn't supported by the link. None of the replies were relevant to this point. It's like you guys don't even care about the truth

We're interested in the truth. We just know that authors don't always include everything, and that the complete truth isn't always included in one article.

There's a key nugget here: DeVos shouldn't be listening to MRAs. It's like asking Richard Spencer how he would improve race relations... you're not going to get a good answer.
 
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shortylickens

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I'm sorry, but this woman is an embarrassment to women and mothers everywhere.

Ignore the male part of the equation and just have women up their jesus intake to address campus rape? Go hump a bible you dumb bitch.

No seriously, tell us how you really feel, man. Dont hold back.
 

1prophet

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If you read the articles, it's more like the men's organization has no problem publicly attacking rape accusers, whether it's true or not.

Or this little gem...regarding ray rice



From the article, aka she had it coming.

That attitude doesn't stop at hitting women either.

Men are not the victims. If you don't want to be accused of rape, don't nail drunk chicks. Oh those poor poor persecuted men

And if that drunk chick drives home after her drunken sexual encounter and gets pulled over can she tell the officer don't arrest me for being over the DWI limit, it's not her fault because she was drunk and couldn't make a coherent decision not to drive just like she wouldn't have had sex with that guy (she is now accusing of rape) while sober?


And for those pedantic type I am not talking about passed out drunk during sex, but an active participant.
 

kage69

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No seriously, tell us how you really feel, man. Dont hold back.

In that case Off is the direction in which I'd like you to fook. Not an issue to be flippant about, certainly not when you know the numbers of victims that I do. Rapists are a special breed of evil to me, if it sounds like I'm a little pissed it's because I am.

While I'm here, you dress funny and should shower more. Your jokes are lame and I resent your halitosis. Should I keep going?
 

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In a world full of people who hate themselves there are an infinite supply of people with unmet and deeply sad egotistical emotional needs. There are low esteem women who seek self gratification in imagining themselves to be attractive and desirable to men. And there are low esteem men who so lack faith in themselves as so naturally attractive they will do whatever it takes to get sex. They see women as objects of conquest. Put the two together and you have our world, a fucked up mess with everybody blaming the other for lack of respect. He or she who seeks self validation through another turns life into shit.

When the will for self validation is thwarted, as it always is when the methods of acquisition are wrong, a self hating woman will not blame herself for her lust to be loved, but the man for his failure to deliver, and the man will not see his false drive for self completion as the error but will blame the woman as a tramp, too worthless to deliver. This is how it goes for younger folk who do not recognize their own self hate, stumbling around in a self generated nightmare. We would not hate such pathetic people if they were not ourselves.
 

shortylickens

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In that case Off is the direction in which I'd like you to fook. Not an issue to be flippant about, certainly not when you know the numbers of victims that I do. Rapists are a special breed of evil to me, if it sounds like I'm a little pissed it's because I am.

While I'm here, you dress funny and should shower more. Your jokes are lame and I resent your halitosis. Should I keep going?

Needless hostility in a serious P&N thread.
 

Moonbeam

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In that case Off is the direction in which I'd like you to fook. Not an issue to be flippant about, certainly not when you know the numbers of victims that I do. Rapists are a special breed of evil to me, if it sounds like I'm a little pissed it's because I am.

While I'm here, you dress funny and should shower more. Your jokes are lame and I resent your halitosis. Should I keep going?
Not if you're going to keep going on shorty. Rape is an act of domination, the affliction of pain by one suffering ego on another. It is an act of utmost violence and cruelty because it is intended to shame and destroy innocence. In any person who is remotely human the act of rape will produce maximum rage but that rage is the desire to make the rapist suffer from exactly what he does. The only problem with that, of course, is that you can't get your hands on all who rape. Your rage is impotent. What we can perhaps do is to create a world where there are less people who have a desire to dominate other and make them suffer what they have suffered. We need to find a way to heal to weaponized our rage in a constructive manner.
 

ch33zw1z

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And if that drunk chick drives home after her drunken sexual encounter and gets pulled over can she tell the officer don't arrest me for being over the DWI limit, it's not her fault because she was drunk and couldn't make a coherent decision not to drive just like she wouldn't have had sex with that guy (she is now accusing of rape) while sober?


And for those pedantic type I am not talking about passed out drunk during sex, but an active participant.
Oh sure, I'm excusing DUi'S with my logic. /'s

Just another moronic comparison.

Yawn and a stretch

Edit, why do you type in red?
 
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Exterous

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She's not wrong that there are issues with the way Title IX is enforced. Basically people can be expelled for cases that are not substantive enough for criminal charges and the appeal\review process is too opaque leaving the accused very limited recourse. Schools are not even required to disclose the full extend of the claims against the accused leaving the accused (and potentially their lawyers) unable to adequately defend themselves. Personally I would prefer a system closer to the Due Process legal system be put in place particularly given the risk of it becoming a nationally televised trashing of people who are later found to be falsely accused

That said - just because there are problems that doesn't mean I am confident they will be appropriately addressed
 

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And if that drunk chick drives home after her drunken sexual encounter and gets pulled over can she tell the officer don't arrest me for being over the DWI limit, it's not her fault because she was drunk and couldn't make a coherent decision not to drive just like she wouldn't have had sex with that guy (she is now accusing of rape) while sober?


And for those pedantic type I am not talking about passed out drunk during sex, but an active participant.

So in one case SHE is taking the action and actively putting others lives at risk and in the other she is the person that is being raped. Those are equivalent in your mind?

The excuse that she was drunk was given to show that her being raped was her own fault for being drunk you tosser. A female being drunk should NOT mean it's OK to rape her.
 
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