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TeeJay1952

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BCS is a character study with occasional action elements. The pace is exquisite (IMHO). The slow build and surprises rock my world. Foreshadowing and callbacks are the heart and soul of BCS.
 

zinfamous

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probably bailed when chuck started wrapping everything in foil.

Most likely, but I think there was a bit more going there from the 1? flashback that we saw. Those two were clearly unhappy, and she dug Jimmy and his unabashed lack of composure the moment that they met. Chuck was so clumsy trying to joke around with her--trying to be somewhat Jimmy--and this just intensified his hatred of Jimmy.

I think that dynamic drove another wedge into their relationship, either around the same time he started developing the psychosis, or maybe the psychosis developed after they separated. I suppose it is also possible that some freak accident occurred, sending him to shock and perhaps killing his wife, where Chuck wake up with this pathology. They haven't given us many details because Jimmy and Chuck never discuss Chuck's wife in BCS present-time, but after the last catatonic state for Chuck, the physician lady mentioned Chuck's earlier catatonia.

So, something, most likely very jarring, induced that initial state which resulted in his EMF sensitivity.
 

CZroe

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Most likely, but I think there was a bit more going there from the 1? flashback that we saw. Those two were clearly unhappy, and she dug Jimmy and his unabashed lack of composure the moment that they met. Chuck was so clumsy trying to joke around with her--trying to be somewhat Jimmy--and this just intensified his hatred of Jimmy.

I think that dynamic drove another wedge into their relationship, either around the same time he started developing the psychosis, or maybe the psychosis developed after they separated. I suppose it is also possible that some freak accident occurred, sending him to shock and perhaps killing his wife, where Chuck wake up with this pathology. They haven't given us many details because Jimmy and Chuck never discuss Chuck's wife in BCS present-time, but after the last catatonic state for Chuck, the physician lady mentioned Chuck's earlier catatonia.

So, something, most likely very jarring, induced that initial state which resulted in his EMF sensitivity.

Wasn't his earlier catatonia the same visit where she demonstrated that the pain was psychosomatic (discretely turned on a cell phone)? The wife was already long gone then.
 

zinfamous

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Wasn't his earlier catatonia the same visit where she demonstrated that the pain was psychosomatic (discretely turned on a cell phone)? The wife was already long gone then.

I don't think he was catatonic then, was he? I just remember him being all panicky and obnoxious; or maybe she just said "the previous episode," meaning that event, and I just assumed she meant the same type of catatonia...

wait, no, it was something else they haven't shown. She also said "Well, when he woke up from [that previous episode], this is when the psychosis began." She then suggested that there is some possibility that he will snap out of [current catatonia] and no longer claim EMF sensitivity. Paraphrasing, but I am pretty sure that's what she said. IN the actual BCS episode where the Doc tested him by pushing the button on the bed, he already had the sensitivity (obv)
 

CZroe

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I don't think he was catatonic then, was he? I just remember him being all panicky and obnoxious; or maybe she just said "the previous episode," meaning that event, and I just assumed she meant the same type of catatonia...



wait, no, it was something else they haven't shown. She also said "Well, when he woke up from [that previous episode], this is when the psychosis began." She then suggested that there is some possibility that he will snap out of [current catatonia] and no longer claim EMF sensitivity. Paraphrasing, but I am pretty sure that's what she said. IN the actual BCS episode where the Doc tested him by pushing the button on the bed, he already had the sensitivity (obv)

I need to watch it again, but he certainly wasn't admitted for his usual psychosis in her first season scene and he certainly wasn't admitted for no reason. There was an event of some kind. The "previously on" bit shows Jimmy explaining the condition to her and Chuck is in the bed not communicating. She made it a point to say that nothing had changed since the last time he had been there (which we witnessed).

IIRC, he collapsed when he had an encounter outside with his neighbor/police or something (over the newspapers he was taking). I think he was catatonic when he arrived and quickly recovered, allowing for those scenes with the doctor and Jimmy. She definitely did not say anything about when the psychosis began.

Responding to your edit:
She was not saying he was going to snap out of the EMF sensitivity, only the catatonia.

Edit again:
Here are the relevant parts from the last episode.
https://youtu.be/3ieiVJBsfpY
Definitely did not say anything to indicate that she was talking about another encounter that wasn't shown. She did say "first" instead of "last" time, but we know we were watching the first last time because Jimmy had to explain Chuck's condition to her.
 
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Skel

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I think they are just confident enough in the show's quality and pedigree that they don't need to leave us on a huge cliff hanger to make sure we come back next season. I'm a little comforted by it.

It simply didn't feel like a finale. It set up future episodes with minor cliff hangers but not much else.

I don't think I'm getting what I'm saying across well... so little happened in the episode that even now this thread is talking about where his wife went, who wasn't even mentioned in the episode. You'd think this show would have more too it causing people to talk about it. Maybe it's the decline in people on this forum but the fact that an episode go could by, let alone the season finale and so little happened that it's not really worth talking about is telling about the show as a whole. As slow as Breaking Bad started I vaguely remember people talking way more about the episodes after they aired than the entire season of this show.
 

Ketchup

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Eh. Maybe the writers thought the end of the episode (season) was a wow moment. But with the way they develop the characters, I didn't find surprising at all.

I was disappointed with the Mike portion of the episode. All we get is buildup for something he doesn't even do (I know, not entirely his fault).

Really need more Mike next season. The brother bickering is getting old.
 

Skel

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Eh. Maybe the writers thought the end of the episode (season) was a wow moment. But with the way they develop the characters, I didn't find surprising at all.

I was disappointed with the Mike portion of the episode. All we get is buildup for something he doesn't even do (I know, not entirely his fault).

Really need more Mike next season. The brother bickering is getting old.

I'll take more of the brothers bickering if it means I don't have to watch them do more paperwork.. those scenes with Kim going through documents with a highlighter really made me feel like I was being punished with her. I'm watching a drama not a documentary.
 

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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Eh. Maybe the writers thought the end of the episode (season) was a wow moment. But with the way they develop the characters, I didn't find surprising at all.

I was disappointed with the Mike portion of the episode. All we get is buildup for something he doesn't even do (I know, not entirely his fault).

Really need more Mike next season. The brother bickering is getting old.
I don't think it's admissible because it was made without a witness or Jimmy's knowledge (expectation of privacy), so I think Chuck intends to use this to turn others against Jimmy. Kim knows but pretends not to. Hamlin may be questioning Chuck's competence. It could be used to trash Jimmy's reputation with clients forcing him to change his name. We'll see.
 

Charmonium

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I don't think it's admissible because it was made without a witness or Jimmy's knowledge (expectation of privacy), so I think Chuck intends to use this to turn others against Jimmy. Kim knows but pretends not to. Hamlin may be questioning Chuck's competence. It could be used to trash Jimmy's reputation with clients forcing him to change his name. We'll see.
I don't think ethics complaint committees observe the same rules of evidence as in court. I used to work for a guy who prosecuted these sorts of complaints but it was a long time ago so I might be wrong about that.

I don't think they would suspend or disbar someone just on the basis of conjecture and hearsay though.
 

Ketchup

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I don't think it's admissible because it was made without a witness or Jimmy's knowledge (expectation of privacy), so I think Chuck intends to use this to turn others against Jimmy. Kim knows but pretends not to. Hamlin may be questioning Chuck's competence. It could be used to trash Jimmy's reputation with clients forcing him to change his name. We'll see.

I really liked that scene - Kim has a wonderful argument in the house, then gives Jimmy a good punch in the car! Of course Kim knows, but they gave us the scene in the car just to straighten out any doubters.
 

Rhezuss

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Wow then last episode was so underwhelming that yesterday I was sitting down for my regular BCS episode...then saw it was not airing and checked to realize that last monday was the finale...

Still love the show but that was meh.

Can't freaking wait for Preacher and Outcast though.
 
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