Better Call Saul

[Ichinisan]

You can own EP1 fo'-evah fo' fwee fwom Amazon.

Also on iTunes for free.

Makes it easy for those with Apple TV or iPhone / iPod touch / iPad.

 

[Bob the Coder]

So, you take a dump on another poster, and when you're called on it, you play the deeply offended victim card.

You're not fooling anyone. That's classic troll behavior.

LOL and what poster did I "dump" on? I quoted no one, attacked no one. It was a benign plea to get back to Better Call Saul.

Someone is pretty damn eager with the butt hurt (hint: it's you).

 

[Ichinisan]

You have a right to your opinion, but it's not an easy one to give credence to, given that the audience and critics have more or less unanimously anointed Breaking Bad one of the greatest shows ever broadcast, and possibly the greatest.

I am not understanding how, if you watched Breaking Bad, you are laboring under any confusion about who Saul is, or why his story would be interesting. The show just ended last year (in what was probably the most exciting and memorable final season of any show, ever) - it's not as though you are being asked to recall core plotlines from Dynasty or something.

If you simply disliked Breaking Bad, why watch this when it is essentially more of the same, albeit from a different narrative perspective?

I think he missed something when he "watched" Breaking Bad.

How does anyone forget Saul Goodman?

I think he missed a lot.

 

[Ichinisan]

LOL and what poster did I "dump" on? I quoted no one, attacked no one. It was a benign plea to get back to Better Call Saul.

Someone is pretty damn eager with the butt hurt (hint: it's you).

The series had never aired a single episode back when the topic was on DirecTV for a while. After the pilot episode had finally aired, you felt compelled to comment on a previous topic...as if it was the current topic.

Before your derail, there was only one two posts mentioning Comcast / DirecTV after the pilot episode aired.

After the pilot aired, discussion of the episode began. You commented on an older topic of discussion in the thread and derailed discussion of the episodes that have aired.

 

[Bob the Coder]

So far loving the show. Have to say I'm in mild agreement with the abundance of BB references. I mean, we've already run into Tuco and Mike in just the first two episodes. It's not at the point where I find it distracting, but hopefully it doesn't try to be Breaking Bad 2.0. Saul was worthy of a spin-off... so let's do that thing

 

[Bob the Coder]

The series had never aired a single episode back when the topic was on DirecTV. The show hadn't started yet.

After the show aired, discussion of the episode began. You commented on an older post in the thread and derailed the thread from discussing the episodes that have since aired.

Try again... there was a page on it after the first episode. But at this point, it's you and Perknose who are more riled up than anything. I just think it's funny that so much offense was taken to this:

Is this a thread about BCS or DirectTV/Comcast?

Quite the "thread derailment" there :awe:

Must be that time of the month around here... sensitive bunch you folks are

edit - I see you decided to check your facts and modify your response. You did it in the wrong order, but it's appreciated

 

[Ichinisan]

Try again... there was a page on it after the first episode. But at this point, it's you and Perknose who are more riled up than anything. I just think it's funny that so much offense was taken to this:



Quite the "thread derailment" there :awe:

Must be that time of the month around here... sensitive bunch you folks are

edit - I see you decided to check your facts and modify your response. You did it in the wrong order, but it's appreciated

I never stopped editing it until just now and I see that you have already responded. :thumbsup:

I'm not bothered any more than you seemed to be. That's why I'll participate in the derailing...


I don't like DirecTV's commercials anymore. Do you still like them?

 

[Printer Bandit]

epsisode 2 was great up until the desert scene. after that, not so much.

 

[Bob the Coder]

epsisode 2 was great up until the desert scene. after that, not so much.

At first I thought they milked it too much, but before last night's episode, I was telling my wife how much I was looking forward to learning how/when Saul evolves from trying to earn an honest living to chasing ambulances and becoming the Criminal Lawyer we know and love. Enter, the desert scene.

So the more I thought about it, the better it sat with me. It was a rather pivotal point for him.

 

[Ichinisan]

?

I think that's my point, since I have no idea whats going on in this new show. Clearly I missed something. Who was the guy at the beginning in black and white? Who is the guy in the blacked out house (no power?)? Who the heck are all these random people? Whats going on? Is this before or after Breaking Bad? Didn't everybody die in that show? I do recall this main character Saul, but I don't really remember what happened with him.

Overall I guess I'd have to say Breaking Bad was a very forgettable show, and this new one is just confusing as heck. I can't tell if it's related to Breaking Bad, before or after, or if it's something else. I'm not even sure exactly what the plot of the first episode was. Saul is poor? Knows some random people, is a lawyer, and wants to make money. Was that it?

I'll watch Ep. 2 and maybe 3, but if they don't explain/clarify things and make it more interesting it wont be watchable for me. But maybe ATOT can correct these things, and then I can properly appreciate this show for whatever it is.

Spoiler

Opens with older Saul, presumably after the events of Breaking Bad. He lives in a nice home, presumably some of his leftover wealth from his time with Walter.

Did he get the new identity? I don't know. Is he working at Cinnabon deep undercover? Don't know yet. Is he broke? Not sure. He still has a nice home and has TV service. Buys booze. I don't think he's broke. That's a mystery.

However, it should be clear that the mustachioed one at the opening is the older Saul, after the events of BB. Very clear.

He starts watching a tape of his old commercials and reminisces about how he reached that point as a confident / successful criminal lawyer.

Cuts back to younger Jimmy...working the worst...WORST case anyone could ever be expected to have as a public defender. The prosecution literally doesn't have to say a single word to the jury in order to win.

Then they emphasize how broke younger Saul was.

Then they introduce "Chuck," who shares the same last name as Jimmy (McGill). Presumably, they are related. Chuck was a very successful partner in a big law firm. Now, he's mentally unstable.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

You have a right to your opinion, but it's not an easy one to give credence to, given that the audience and critics have more or less unanimously anointed Breaking Bad one of the greatest shows ever broadcast, and possibly the greatest.

I am not understanding how, if you watched Breaking Bad, you are laboring under any confusion about who Saul is, or why his story would be interesting. The show just ended last year (in what was probably the most exciting and memorable final season of any show, ever) - it's not as though you are being asked to recall core plotlines from Dynasty or something.

If you simply disliked Breaking Bad, why watch this when it is essentially more of the same, albeit from a different narrative perspective?

BB actually ended in 2013. Time flies eh?

 

[benzylic]

Spoiler

Opens with older Saul, presumably after the events of Breaking Bad. He lives in a nice home, presumably some of his leftover wealth from his time with Walter.

Did he get the new identity? I don't know. Is he working at Cinnabon deep undercover? Don't know yet. Is he broke? Not sure. He still has a nice home and has TV service. Buys booze. I don't think he's broke. That's a mystery.

If you go watch like the first 10 minutes of the Breaking Bad episode entitled Granite State it will explain the black and white opening to Better Call Saul

Breaking Bad spoilers:

Spoiler

Saul and Walter at at the vacuum cleaner repair store waiting for their new identities. The vacuum cleaner guy has plans to get Saul to Nebraska. Saul is talking to Walter and says something like "best case scenario in a month I'm managing a cinnabon in Omaha"

 

[Perknose]

Also on iTunes for free.

Makes it easy for those with Apple TV or iPhone / iPod touch / iPad.

Smart marketing in both cases.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

BB actually ended in 2013. Time flies eh?

True that. I guess in my mind it feels like "last year" in that it has been less than a year and a half since the show ended.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

So far loving the show. Have to say I'm in mild agreement with the abundance of BB references. I mean, we've already run into Tuco and Mike in just the first two episodes. It's not at the point where I find it distracting, but hopefully it doesn't try to be Breaking Bad 2.0. Saul was worthy of a spin-off... so let's do that thing

There has to be a connection. Sure, it seems like a way to get the BB fans on board, but it's not for nothing. It literally HAS to happen. Jimmy turns into the Breaking Bad Saul and Saul has connections with Mike, Gus, Tuco, the meth trade, the criminal underground, the DEA, the underbelly of the court system etc etc etc. There is a long series of connect-the-dots to get from here to where Saul was when he met Walter White for the first time. These are essential parts of a story that has already been written, they can't be left out.

 

[MrColin]

I loved BB. It will be fun to see all of the seedy characters from BB with their backstories. I'm sure these writers and crew will be my main crime drama fix for some time.

I think I remember Hank or someone mentioning that Mike had tried and failed numerous times to deliver large sums of dirty money to his daughter and it gets seized every time.

 

[Skel]

?

I think that's my point, since I have no idea whats going on in this new show. Clearly I missed something. Who was the guy at the beginning in black and white? Who is the guy in the blacked out house (no power?)? Who the heck are all these random people? Whats going on? Is this before or after Breaking Bad? Didn't everybody die in that show? I do recall this main character Saul, but I don't really remember what happened with him.

Overall I guess I'd have to say Breaking Bad was a very forgettable show, and this new one is just confusing as heck. I can't tell if it's related to Breaking Bad, before or after, or if it's something else. I'm not even sure exactly what the plot of the first episode was. Saul is poor? Knows some random people, is a lawyer, and wants to make money. Was that it?

I'll watch Ep. 2 and maybe 3, but if they don't explain/clarify things and make it more interesting it wont be watchable for me. But maybe ATOT can correct these things, and then I can properly appreciate this show for whatever it is.

I don't remember Saul having any connection to Tuco in BB. I'd have to go back and watch it again but I would have sworn the Tuco storyline was wrapped up by the time Saul showed up.

I also think that any show that requires you to do homework, be that watching a different show or go to a website and read up on wtf is going on in that world, automatically fails. Unless it's a direct sequel, it should be able to stand up on it own. The stuff at the beginning of BCS did require you to know what happened in BB but didn't effect much of anything if you didn't. At most it was a nice payout to the people that wondered what happened to him. Everything else in the show they explained or gave the impression that they would explain. If they keep attempting to weave it into BB (outside of things like the plane crash on the news) by trying to keep reusing the same characters I'll find it disappointing.

 

[Zeze]

I don't remember Saul having any connection to Tuco in BB. I'd have to go back and watch it again but I would have sworn the Tuco storyline was wrapped up by the time Saul showed up.

Tuco had no connection to Saul in BB.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't remember Saul having any connection to Tuco in BB. I'd have to go back and watch it again but I would have sworn the Tuco storyline was wrapped up by the time Saul showed up.

That is correct. Tuco was dead before we met Saul for the first time. Tuco was introduced to Jesse and Walt by Skinny Pete, and we have never seen a connection between Tuco and Saul prior to BCS.

 

[purbeast0]

there is no need for spoiler tags in here when discussing episodes that already aired.

that grinds my gears!

 

[purbeast0]

I don't remember Saul having any connection to Tuco in BB. I'd have to go back and watch it again but I would have sworn the Tuco storyline was wrapped up by the time Saul showed up.

I also think that any show that requires you to do homework, be that watching a different show or go to a website and read up on wtf is going on in that world, automatically fails. Unless it's a direct sequel, it should be able to stand up on it own. The stuff at the beginning of BCS did require you to know what happened in BB but didn't effect much of anything if you didn't. At most it was a nice payout to the people that wondered what happened to him. Everything else in the show they explained or gave the impression that they would explain. If they keep attempting to weave it into BB (outside of things like the plane crash on the news) by trying to keep reusing the same characters I'll find it disappointing.

that is not true at all. my wife has never seen breaking bad and loved both episodes of this show.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Tuco had no connection to Saul in BB.

They had no scenes together. There was a bit of conversation between Saul and Walter about Tuco in one of the episodes shortly after Walt hooked up with Saul and Saul mentioned that he and Tuco had crossed paths before that time.

I think the context was that Walt was singing the blues about how things had gone badly for him and Jesse, Tuco was one of those mistakes and Saul understood about the problems of doing business with him.

 

[purbeast0]

also as far as the timeframe goes, i don't remember exactly what it was, but something said the date was 2002.

i think it might have been that letter that was sent to chuck with the check for $26k.

 

[drquest]

There's no mention of Tuco from Saul in BB, but keep in mind he was helping out the drug dealers prior to meeting Walter and crew. Jesse mentioned Saul got Krazy-8's cousin Emilio(Jesse's partner) off two times before, so it's not a stretch to think Saul might have helped out Tuco or his guys.

 

[drquest]

also as far as the timeframe goes, i don't remember exactly what it was, but something said the date was 2002.

i think it might have been that letter that was sent to chuck with the check for $26k.

There was a mention of 2004 related to a expiration date, but I can't remember what it was talking about.