Better Call Saul

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CZroe

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I really didn't like the end of the episode. It was blatent pandering by having a very familiar character from Breaking Bad giving us a surprise appearance at the end. Mike Ehrmantraut was enough. I'd rather have the show try hard to stand on its own two feet rather than have Breaking Bad constantly trying to prop it up.

People keep saying this but it's flat-out wrong. It assumes that those characters aren't going to be a crucial part of this show. Knowing Mike's history from Breaking Bad, I know there's no way he's a simple gate/parking attendant. He's under cover or something. He might already be Gus' "guy" at this point. The scene serves some kind of purpose or has an ulterior motive, like setting up their first encounter with them getting off on the wrong foot so that it will cause problems later on when Saul needs Mike. Tuco will, no doubt, eventually lead to Gus, who Mike/Saul knew about long before Walt/Jessie. The possibilities are endless and I am sure it's going somewhere. These are not just "Oh! Hi. Remember me?" cameos.
 

Carson Dyle

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I'm loving it, so far.

Very much feels like Breaking Bad, which, as far as I'm concerned, is a good thing.

Thinking back on Breaking Bad, (if you hadn't already realized it) Walter White was a _very_ unexceptional person. He was a loser, very much like Jimmy McGill. They spun a great story around Walter, took the things he that he was good at and created interesting situations and a bigger than life character. I can see the same thing happening with Saul.

Hard to say where it will ultimately go. It may not be as good. Or, it could be better.
 

Carson Dyle

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There's no mention of Tuco from Saul in BB, but keep in mind he was helping out the drug dealers prior to meeting Walter and crew. Jesse mentioned Saul got Krazy-8's cousin Emilio(Jesse's partner) off two times before, so it's not a stretch to think Saul might have helped out Tuco or his guys.

There's still no indication that Saul will work for, or really have anything to do with Tuco beyond the skateboarders incident.
 

Ichinisan

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There's still no indication that Saul will work for, or really have anything to do with Tuco beyond the skateboarders incident.
Did you even see the end of episode 2? When Tuco's associate (family member?) showed up in Saul's office?

Did you see the "next week" clips during the credits?
 

Carson Dyle

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I enjoyed the show, but did they REALLY have to whore out not one but TWO Breaking Bad characters in the pilot?

Mike was already cringy. But when I saw Tuco, I had to roll my eyes. I mean is the town made of up 20 people?

No, Mike's appearance was perfect. We know Saul hooks up with Mike at some point. What could be better than Mike working some lowly parking lot attendant job? As someone else pointed out, probably just out of jail.

As for Tuco... Albuquerque is a small city, and somewhat isolated. If Saul is going to end up working closely with the local criminal element, he's going to be dealing with many of the same folks Walt ends up dealing with. It's not like he's working in New Jersey/New York.

The scene in the desert was hilarious. Well, right up until Tuco broke those kids' legs.
 

CZroe

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Did you people just forget that Mike was sent by Saul in Breaking Bad when we were first introduced to him as "The Cleaner?" Did you guys forget that Mike was Saul's contact for connecting Walt with Gus? Did you guys forget that Mike was frequently at odds with Saul over his other boss? Did you guys forget that Mike did other work for Saul, including bugging rooms?

Mike worked for Saul. Mike is not a "gratuitous cameo." Breaking Bad firmly established that he and Saul had a history by the time Walt and Jessie came on his radar. His meeting Mike is exactly what I expect and want to see. Wanna-be critics jumping all over that are just revealing how short their memory is and how poorly they would execute the concept with the same source material. THANK GOD you idiots aren't running this show!

As for Tuco: Gus directs the other Salamancas and is connected with the cartel. Obviously, Tuco ultimately leads Saul to Gus and Mike. It's a deep, engrossing, and believable back story that you are bending over backwards to find fault with. Just admit that you all forgot that they were already associated before Walt and Jessie in Breaking Bad. This isn't Anakin Skywalker building C3PO and encountering R2D2, FFS. wann-be critics

True that. I guess in my mind it feels like "last year" in that it has been less than a year and a half since the show ended.
It was last year if you were on Netflix's schedule.

Tuco had no connection to Saul in BB.

Wrong. Incorrect. What is Tuco's last name? Remember? Yeah.

Gus, Mike, the Salamancas, Saul... dots are all there. No doubt, Tuco leads Saul to Gus and that is what led Walt and Jessie to Gus.
 

Ichinisan

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Did you people just forget that Mike was sent by Saul in Breaking Bad when we were first introduced to him as "The Cleaner?" Did you guys forget that Mike was Saul's contact for connecting Walt with Gus? Did you guys forget that Mike was frequently at odds with Saul over his other boss? Did you guys forget that Mike did other work for Saul, including bugging rooms?

Mike worked for Saul. Mike is not a "gratuitous cameo." Breaking Bad firmly established that he and Saul had a history by the time Walt and Jessie came on his radar. His meeting Mike is exactly what I expect and want to see. Wanna-be critics jumping all over that are just revealing how short their memory is and how poorly they would execute the concept with the same source material. THANK GOD you idiots aren't running this show!

As for Tuco: Gus directs the other Salamancas and is connected with the cartel. Obviously, Tuco ultimately leads Saul to Gus and Mike. It's a deep, engrossing, and believable back story that you are bending over backwards to find fault with. Just admit that you all forgot that they were already associated before Walt and Jessie in Breaking Bad. This isn't Anakin Skywalker building C3PO and encountering R2D2, FFS. wann-be critics


It was last year if you were on Netflix's schedule.



Wrong. Incorrect. What is Tuco's last name? Remember? Yeah.

Gus, Mike, the Salamancas, Saul... dots are all there. No doubt, Tuco leads Saul to Gus and that is what led Walt and Jessie to Gus.
"I know a guy who knows a guy."
 

CZroe

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I don't know why everyone assumes that Mike is working honestly for himself in this series. I think Mike is probably already working for Gus in some capacity. Maybe he is making money drops or planting bugs or investigating under cover or any number of other things from that position. Discretely breaking into DEA cars while they prosecute drug offenders to see if they have anything on Gus is a distinct possibility.

Saul and Mike probably meet outside of that environment when Gus displaces Hector Salamanca. Tuco Salamanca will probably lead Saul into that.

need something like this to visualize all the connections in BCS / BB:


Needs that little doodle of Heisenberg in there somewhere.
 

Wingznut

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I think that's my point, since I have no idea whats going on in this new show. Clearly I missed something. Who was the guy at the beginning in black and white? Who is the guy in the blacked out house (no power?)? Who the heck are all these random people? Whats going on? Is this before or after Breaking Bad? Didn't everybody die in that show? I do recall this main character Saul, but I don't really remember what happened with him.

Overall I guess I'd have to say Breaking Bad was a very forgettable show, and this new one is just confusing as heck. I can't tell if it's related to Breaking Bad, before or after, or if it's something else.
It sounds like you didn't pay attention at all to Breaking Bad.

there is no need for spoiler tags in here when discussing episodes that already aired.

that grinds my gears!
A-freakin'-MEN!

People keep saying this but it's flat-out wrong. It assumes that those characters aren't going to be a crucial part of this show. Knowing Mike's history from Breaking Bad, I know there's no way he's a simple gate/parking attendant. He's under cover or something. He might already be Gus' "guy" at this point. The scene serves some kind of purpose or has an ulterior motive, like setting up their first encounter with them getting off on the wrong foot so that it will cause problems later on when Saul needs Mike. Tuco will, no doubt, eventually lead to Gus, who Mike/Saul knew about long before Walt/Jessie. The possibilities are endless and I am sure it's going somewhere. These are not just "Oh! Hi. Remember me?" cameos.
I completely agree about Mike. No way this is his "real" job.
 

Ichinisan

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I completely agree about Mike. No way this is his "real" job.
Well, we know he's been in trouble with the law many times before. The law keeps finding ways to take away the dirty money he tries to give to his daughter(?).

Someone already mentioned he might be on parole / probation -- perhaps fresh out of jail -- and this is the only job that would hire him with his criminal record. Perhaps the parole officer pulled some strings and he really had no choice except to take the position. He probably has to stay on the straight-and-narrow for a while and can't screw this up. That would be why he's so stubborn about the sticker requirements.

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A stickler for stickers, if you will...
 
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Well, we know he's been in trouble with the law many times before. The law keeps finding ways to take away the dirty money he tries to give to his daughter(?).

Someone already mentioned he might be on parole / probation -- perhaps fresh out of jail -- and this is the only job that would hire him with his criminal record. Perhaps the parole officer pulled some strings and he really had no choice except to take the position. He probably has to stay on the straight-and-narrow for a while and can't screw this up. That would be why he's so stubborn about the sticker requirements.

I don't think the idea of parole makes sense, since he told the DEA when he was being interrogated that he has a permit to carry a gun in multiple states (when asked which ones, he said it would be easier to list the states where he did not hold a permit). He is also a licensed PI in NM and all of the other states where Los Pollos Hermanos operates (which was most of the Southwest). This would not be possible if he were a convicted felon, or even if he had an aggravated history of misdemeanor-level crimes. As far as we know he has never actually been convicted of a crime, and it appears he has not, since if he had, Hank and Gomez would have known it when they were investigating him. We just know that his tenure as a Philadelphia police officer "ended badly," whatever that means. I also don't know that a convicted felon would be allowed to work in such close proximity to the courthouse.

It seems to me his working as a parking attendant is either a function of that being the only job he could get in the ABQ area, where his granddaughter and daughter live, after leaving Philadelphia, or some kind of undercover operation on behalf of a criminal heavy. Working as a parking attendant at the courthouse would certainly give him the ability to monitor the comings and goings of prosecutors, judges, jurors and criminal defendants, and that information might be valuable to someone inclined to do them harm, kidnap them, or otherwise mess with them.
 
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Ichinisan

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I don't think the idea of parole makes sense, since he told the DEA when he was being interrogated that he has a permit to carry a gun in multiple states (when asked which ones, he said it would be easier to list the states where he did not hold a permit). He is also a licensed PI in NM and all of the other states where Los Pollos Hermanos operates (which was most of the Southwest). This would not be possible if he were a convicted felon, or even if he had an aggravated history of misdemeanor-level crimes. As far as we know he has never actually been convicted of a crime, and it appears he has not, since if he had, Hank and Gomez would have known it when they were investigating him. We just know that his tenure as a Philadelphia police officer "ended badly," whatever that means. I also don't know that a convicted felon would be allowed to work in such close proximity to the courthouse.

It seems to me his working as a parking attendant is either a function of that being the only job he could get in the ABQ area, where his granddaughter and daughter live, after leaving Philadelphia, or some kind of undercover operation on behalf of a criminal heavy. Working as a parking attendant at the courthouse would certainly give him the ability to monitor the comings and goings of prosecutors, judges, jurors and criminal defendants, and that information might be valuable to someone inclined to do them harm, kidnap them, or otherwise mess with them.

You are probably correct. I can't wait to see how it fleshes out
 

Ichinisan

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I tried to register "slippinjimmy@gmail.com" and it was already taken.

Since my first name is James, I would have loved to have that email address. Looks like the domain name is taken too.
 

Wingznut

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Well, we know he's been in trouble with the law many times before. The law keeps finding ways to take away the dirty money he tries to give to his daughter(?).

Someone already mentioned he might be on parole / probation -- perhaps fresh out of jail -- and this is the only job that would hire him with his criminal record. Perhaps the parole officer pulled some strings and he really had no choice except to take the position. He probably has to stay on the straight-and-narrow for a while and can't screw this up. That would be why he's so stubborn about the sticker requirements.

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A stickler for stickers, if you will...
Remember... BCS is a prequel. It takes place 6 years before Walter White met Saul. And Mike was a policeman prior to working for Gus. So, maybe he's working this booth as some sort of undercover deal.
 

Ichinisan

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Remember... BCS is a prequel. It takes place 6 years before Walter White met Saul. And Mike was a policeman prior to working for Gus. So, maybe he's working this booth as some sort of undercover deal.

I expect that the timeline will jump around quite a bit. It did that in Breaking Bad also.
 

moonbogg

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I just started watching breaking bad. I guess I should finish it first. Also, I am not returning to this thread since spoiler trolls are sure to break out like the measles up in this bitch.
 

Sho'Nuff

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I just started watching breaking bad. I guess I should finish it first. Also, I am not returning to this thread since spoiler trolls are sure to break out like the measles up in this bitch.

Me too. Binged over the last 4 days and am now in the middle of the second season. Great show.
 

CZroe

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Me too. Binged over the last 4 days and am now in the middle of the second season. Great show.

Oh, man. You think it's great in the middle of season 2?! You are going to be BLOWN AWAY. The methodical pace keeps adding on and ramping the tension through the whole series. It goes right through the roof and never comes down.
 

BrokenVisage

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Oh, man. You think it's great in the middle of season 2?! You are going to be BLOWN AWAY. The methodical pace keeps adding on and ramping the tension through the whole series. It goes right through the roof and never comes down.

Disagree. S02 is greatness, appreciate each episode because the "feel" of the show changes drastically after it. Most of S03 is lame, but it ends great (after The Fly episode), and S04 is powerful but lots of slow moments, the Gus/Walt cat-and-mouse game got old for me, and the whole zombie-Jesse thing for most of the first half was annoying, plus cranky Hank sucks. S05 rocked and rolled though. The whole show rocks but people need to understand how great Season 2 was, BB is never the same after it.
 

Ichinisan

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Disagree. S02 is greatness, appreciate each episode because the "feel" of the show changes drastically after it. Most of S03 is lame, but it ends great (after The Fly episode), and S04 is powerful but lots of slow moments, the Gus/Walt cat-and-mouse game got old for me, and the whole zombie-Jesse thing for most of the first half was annoying, plus cranky Hank sucks. S05 rocked and rolled though. The whole show rocks but people need to understand how great Season 2 was, BB is never the same after it.

When the cousins show up in S3 and
attempt to assassinate an important character
, that's when shit really hits the fan! Season 2 was great, but the unrelenting tension in season 3 was

Scene with Walt inside the RV while Hank was trying to get in
 
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Carson Dyle

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Has anyone seen it stated for certain how many episodes will be in this first season? I've seen it claimed to be 10 or 13 in different places.
 
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