Better Call Saul

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CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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tuco is getting 8 years for the gun charge

is said in the meeting with salamanca



show the episode to settle it

for what ever reason the owner of the gun will have an 8 year sentence



but because mike was an ex cup the police will go easy on him

thats the words salamanca used


No, not "for whatever reason." Possession of a legal gun during an illegal act is illegal. That's "the gun charge" I'm aware of. It seems that a lot of this conversation is based on the fact that it is Tuco's gun, but I vaguely remember Mike bringing the gun and letting Tuco get it or something. You're right: I have to watch the episode again, which is why I did not say that it was or wasn't actually Tuco's gun. Everyone else seems pretty sure so... *shrug*
 

MixMasterTang

Diamond Member
Jul 23, 2001
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No, not "for whatever reason." Possession of a legal gun during an illegal act is illegal. That's "the gun charge" I'm aware of. It seems that a lot of this conversation is based on the fact that it is Tuco's gun, but I vaguely remember Mike bringing the gun and letting Tuco get it or something. You're right: I have to watch the episode again, which is why I did not say that it was or wasn't actually Tuco's gun. Everyone else seems pretty sure so... *shrug*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvRoK3GZZg

First time we see the gun it is in Tuco's waist.
 

ALIVE

Golden Member
May 21, 2012
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No, not "for whatever reason." Possession of a legal gun during an illegal act is illegal. That's "the gun charge" I'm aware of. It seems that a lot of this conversation is based on the fact that it is Tuco's gun, but I vaguely remember Mike bringing the gun and letting Tuco get it or something. You're right: I have to watch the episode again, which is why I did not say that it was or wasn't actually Tuco's gun. Everyone else seems pretty sure so... *shrug*

it is tucos gun
he pull it up to threaten mike to give him his wallet
while mike was trying to keep him there for police to come
so tucos pull gun
mike gives him his wallet to establish assault
tuco here the police coming
mike disarm tuco
tuco tries to go to his car to leave
mike is holding him and tuco is hitting him so he can run away
police arrive tucos is arrested

with the gun, the wallet, the police seeing tuco hitting mike, mike did not need to go to testify,

now what the cartel wants is mike say
the gun was him
mike pulls the gun
tucos see the gun they fight and tuco disarms mike
and in the fight of gun possession thats how tucos prints were found in the gun
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
28,298
1,234
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... and how legal is to pull your gun when you are in a fight?? when the other is unarmed???

As a legal gun owner, you would use a gun to protect yourself from harm. An elderly man can shoot a burly, violent, younger man. That's why a gun is an "equalizer."

In pretty much all of the USA, a legal gun owner is most certainly entitled to pull a gun and shoot someone who is hurting you with life-threatening violence -- regardless of whether-or-not the perpetrator has a weapon.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,810
29,564
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It was the lawsuits co-firm (Kim Wexler's) Hamlin, Hamlin and McGill that aired that add he saw. Not his firm Davis and Main.

Are you sure? I recall it opening with "Davis and Main, partnered with HHM" etc, then ended with "call Davis and Main at this number."

They definitely mentioned HHM, but I think they were just including them as partners in the suit.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
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Are you sure? I recall it opening with "Davis and Main, partnered with HHM" etc, then ended with "call Davis and Main at this number."

They definitely mentioned HHM, but I think they were just including them as partners in the suit.

The ad (that he showed in it's entirety to kim) started directly with the grandmother telling her story. You might be remembering the text video master identifier frame before it started, but that also just had davis and main.
 

waterjug

Senior member
Jan 21, 2012
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The show is really starting to lose me, slow slow slow, if I didn't like the Saul and Mike BB characters so much it would be an easy skip for me.

Same....this past episode was a little better, I'll give it that. But nothing's happened this season really. There's 4 episodes left. I'm hoping based on the trailers for this coming episode that we start to see even a little bit of Jimmy starting to create the Saul persona...or something. Otherwise, it's just so slow. I get that Breaking Bad wasn't always action, but the slow parts still built character stories and were interesting. The slow parts of Saul are plodding at best and just downright unbearable a couple times. Having said that, I'm not giving up yet, there's plenty of season 2 left for something to develop.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
25,297
2,001
126
Jimmy's commercial:
http://www.amc.com/shows/better-cal...mercial-episode-203-better-call-saul-amarillo

Apparently, another commercial was made without his input, and it had the same "not too nebulous" stuff from the asbestos commercial.

That's what pissed him off. He got chewed out for the commercial, but then they went ahead and did the same with a less effective commercial in a useless time slot. He was angry at the hypocrisy of it all, just like he's angry at the hypocrisy present in all corporate "legit" law. Just thought I'd mention that for the people that missed it the last 17,000 times the show has tried to beat it into our heads.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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redacted, wrong thread for that post, was going too far on a tangent.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The ad (that he showed in it's entirety to kim) started directly with the grandmother telling her story. You might be remembering the text video master identifier frame before it started, but that also just had davis and main.

sure, but I'm talking about the late night ad that he saw in the most recent episode--the replacement ad made without his knowledge. That is not the ad that he made (the one that he showed to Kim).

I'm only talking about the one that squeetard mentioned. I recall it referencing HHM as partners with Davis and Main, and to contact Davis and Main. Squeetard suggested that it was made by HMM. This ad was boring text only, and has nothing to do with that grandmother.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
38,751
3,068
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sure, but I'm talking about the late night ad that he saw in the most recent episode--the replacement ad made without his knowledge. That is not the ad that he made (the one that he showed to Kim).

I'm only talking about the one that squeetard mentioned. I recall it referencing HHM as partners with Davis and Main, and to contact Davis and Main. Squeetard suggested that it was made by HMM. This ad was boring text only, and has nothing to do with that grandmother.

Yeah, the alternate ad was a bummer.

He did something productive and got ganked, more or less.

Was like one of those "You just can't win, sometimes" situations.
 

pyonir

Lifer
Dec 18, 2001
40,856
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For everyone saying it's so slow...did you ever think that's maybe the point/on purpose? His job as a lawyer is boring, slow, nothing ever happens, etc. Which is why he and Kim do their con work...and leads him to become Saul? Just a thought...
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,810
29,564
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For everyone saying it's so slow...did you ever think that's maybe the point/on purpose? His job as a lawyer is boring, slow, nothing ever happens, etc. Which is why he and Kim do their con work...and leads him to become Saul? Just a thought...

fucking rocks, man. all over again!
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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The problem with BCS being slow and plodding is that we already know how everything is going to turn out. Nothing is at stake. There is no suspense. So it doesn't work the same way Breaking Bad did by doing a slow build.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
25,297
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For everyone saying it's so slow...did you ever think that's maybe the point/on purpose? His job as a lawyer is boring, slow, nothing ever happens, etc. Which is why he and Kim do their con work...and leads him to become Saul? Just a thought...

Did you ever think that maybe a show can convey boredom and dissatisfaction with a 3 minute montage? Or even a 3 minute montage per episode? Hell, BCS has already done the montage thing several times with Kim in the doghouse. Did you ever think that in the entire history of TV not a single series ever pissed away an entire season just to try to connote a subtle sense of ennui? You ever think that people with the ability to process information that is meted out slightly more quickly than a pitch tar ball drops might be 1000 times more bored than Jimmy? You ever think that many of us could grasp the concept of Jimmy's boredom if we had it jammed down our throats for only 20 minutes an episode instead of 50? Did you ever think that if the show wanted to spend an entire season showing the boredom that the more astute viewers recognized in 10 seconds that they could have something else happening in the B and C plots so that the show keeps moving forward while they so carefully set the mood? Just a thought...
 
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CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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I'm too busy being on the edge of my seat listening for subtext in all of these scenes people here are describing as "boring." Not only do I look for it, I find it, and it is meaningful enough to be worth it/entertaining. There are serious ramifications to almost every word in these "boring" scenes.
 

pyonir

Lifer
Dec 18, 2001
40,856
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Wow, hit a nerve? I was just throwing the thought out there, not need to write a whole asshole paragraph about it. LOL.

I like it just the way it is. Are some parts slow? Sure. Does it necessarily bother me? Nope.

Carry on. :thumbsup:
 

Charmonium

Diamond Member
May 15, 2015
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Did you ever think that maybe a show can convey boredom and dissatisfaction with a 3 minute montage? Or even a 3 minute montage per episode? Hell, BCS has already done the montage thing several times with Kim in the doghouse. Did you ever think that in the entire history of TV not a single series ever pissed away an entire season just to try to connote a subtle sense of ennui? You ever think that people with the ability to process information that is meted out slightly more quickly than a pitch tar ball drops might be 1000 times more bored than Jimmy? You ever think that many of us could grasp the concept of Jimmy's boredom if we had it jammed down our throats for only 20 minutes an episode instead of 50? Did you ever think that if the show wanted to spend an entire season showing the boredom that the more astute viewers recognized in 10 seconds that they could have something else happening in the B and C plots so that the show keeps moving forward while they so carefully set the mood? Just a thought...
I mostly agree with you. The one situation where I don't is when the psychological background scenes are especially well done. Rectify is one nearly perfect example of that. Even the really slow seemingly vacuous scenes still scream a sort of brooding desperation and emptiness. If they're trying to do the same sort of thing with BCS, they are simply failing in my opinion.
 

Skel

Diamond Member
Apr 11, 2001
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Did you ever think that maybe a show can convey boredom and dissatisfaction with a 3 minute montage? Or even a 3 minute montage per episode? Hell, BCS has already done the montage thing several times with Kim in the doghouse. Did you ever think that in the entire history of TV not a single series ever pissed away an entire season just to try to connote a subtle sense of ennui? You ever think that people with the ability to process information that is meted out slightly more quickly than a pitch tar ball drops might be 1000 times more bored than Jimmy? You ever think that many of us could grasp the concept of Jimmy's boredom if we had it jammed down our throats for only 20 minutes an episode instead of 50? Did you ever think that if the show wanted to spend an entire season showing the boredom that the more astute viewers recognized in 10 seconds that they could have something else happening in the B and C plots so that the show keeps moving forward while they so carefully set the mood? Just a thought...

I'm really not sure how I'm not supposed to be bored. The characters doing the tedious work are being forced to do it as punishment. They find it boring.. it's just really boring stuff. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be punishment to Kim. I watch TV to be entertained, not think about the paperwork I have on my desk in the office.

BCS has done a really good job at being uber realistic. They've made me feel like I'm being punished along side of Kim. I've never once thought about wanting to be a lawyer so watching the really dry boring parts of it just isn't my thing. At this stage the only stuff I'm really finding interesting is Mike's story. I feel like that's the show we were promised when they annouced it. He's the only one that's really going down a slippery slope. Jimmy/Saul's isn't doing anything close to that. If anything they've only shown us that he's always been a con.
 
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