BF3: Confessions of a hacker...

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If you don't mind getting virtually raped by all the cheaters then go right ahead.
its honestly not that bad. as the Reddit post says, they are closet hackers. They will wallhack, but most of the time not blatantly. There are times you see someone go in 60-1 in 3 minutes (yeah I saw that yesterday), but then I would just leave.

According to my friend he calls out hackers and then specifically hacks them by blatantly aimbotting the hackers, but playing mostly legit against normal players. He tells me that most hackers are too busy leveling up that unless you troll them or try to mess with them in game, they'll just play normally for the most part.

I do feel disadvantaged a bit, but my score is never terrible and it's pretty obvious there are some hackers. I might score 70 in a round for example, whereas a hacker gets 150 kills, but it's pretty obvious I'm amongst the better legit players, whereas theres a clear group of hackers sitting with top scores. I've never really complained because for the most part they aren't doing anything too insane. If they really wanted to go all out I'm pretty sure (based on my CS aimbotting experience), they could sit at like 800 kills or something in a round. It's not a problem.
 

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its honestly not that bad. as the Reddit post says, they are closet hackers. They will wallhack, but most of the time not blatantly. There are times you see someone go in 60-1 in 3 minutes (yeah I saw that yesterday), but then I would just leave.

According to my friend he calls out hackers and then specifically hacks them by blatantly aimbotting the hackers, but playing mostly legit against normal players. He tells me that most hackers are too busy leveling up that unless you troll them or try to mess with them in game, they'll just play normally for the most part.

I do feel disadvantaged a bit, but my score is never terrible and it's pretty obvious there are some hackers. I might score 70 in a round for example, whereas a hacker gets 150 kills, but it's pretty obvious I'm amongst the better legit players, whereas theres a clear group of hackers sitting with top scores. I've never really complained because for the most part they aren't doing anything too insane. If they really wanted to go all out I'm pretty sure (based on my CS aimbotting experience), they could sit at like 800 kills or something in a round. It's not a problem.

So you basically just admitted to being a douchebag cheater and said it didn't bother you that people are doing it. Charles Manson doesn't understand why he is in prison the rest of his life for murder, so whatever works for you. Unfuckinbelievable.
 

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So you basically just admitted to being a douchebag cheater and said it didn't bother you that people are doing it. Charles Manson doesn't understand why he is in prison the rest of his life for murder, so whatever works for you. Unfuckinbelievable.

I was reading that as well and asking myself....wtf? haha!
 

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So you basically just admitted to being a douchebag cheater and said it didn't bother you that people are doing it. Charles Manson doesn't understand why he is in prison the rest of his life for murder, so whatever works for you. Unfuckinbelievable.
I dont see where he admitted being a hacker, he said he had a "friend" that hacked. LOL
 
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So you basically just admitted to being a douchebag cheater and said it didn't bother you that people are doing it. Charles Manson doesn't understand why he is in prison the rest of his life for murder, so whatever works for you. Unfuckinbelievable.
lol i dont cheat in BF. i cheated in CS back in 2001 when the cheats were all over the web.

This was before VAC and before Steam. Maybe you don't remember, but practically every server was CRAWLING with hackers. Aimbotting didn't even set you apart. Even if you out aimbotted them, they'd respawn out of nowhere and start shooting you.

The solution to that was to one up them again with the ghost camera hack... LOL. Nothing like a team of 8 cheaters running around de_dust and then out of nowhere a ghost glock fires and someone dies. Panic ensues.

Yes call me guilty or whatever, but that's how CS was back in the 1.0, 1.1 era... and even up to 1.3. I was in high school then. I obviously have a different value system today and hacking isn't really satisfying anything. Not to mention the fact that you need to pay is a bit outrageous now.

I get accused of cheating plenty of times myself, even by fellow clan members and people on my friends list, but the simple fact is when you reach a certain level of proficiency in gaming you begin to understand and feel the physics of the game as if it were a real world scenario. Thus, people like me who kick much ass at these games know when someone is cheating because they are doing things that not even me or my friends can do, which is bogus because we usually figure out all the holes and soft spots within the first week or two after release.

So many people live blindly and don't take it too seriously, but in order to achieve that top level of play that maybe only a group of dozens or a few hundred play at, you have to take it seriously. Thus I just don't bother playing or donating to the coffers of these companies and their employees because, at the end of the day, they really don't give a shit and aren't good enough to stop it to begin with....so what's the point?

I'm not sure how it works in BF3, but I'll use CS as my analogy because I'm a decent CS player. You could just camp down a doorway, wait for someone to cross, and yeah most cal-im players back in the day could hit a guy a few times running across a small gap, and maybe with a decent odd of headshotting. You could do the same with NO effort needed to stare at your screen until someone runs across your crosshair with an aimbot, and people could think you're decent. Obviously don't go for a 100% headshot kill rate. That's why the Reddit post says that a good number of people are hacking per server. It doesn't take much to hack and look decent. Hell you could look more map aware. Back in CS, there's times where you run past idiotic campers because it's too obvious if you just happened to search that corner. Sometimes you have to let them just shoot you in the back so you can say "wow dumbass spawn camper." Otherwise you'd make it too obvious right?

So not really sure about what you mean when people do things that just can't happen legitimately, but do you mean sitting in a tank and having it 180 and take out 2 guys in no time? Yeah a bit blatant, but I can guarantee you sitting in a tank MG with a wallhack in most maps can give you a huge advantage without it being obvious. Certainly if you're going to blow up walls all the time to kill people behind them you're exposing your wallhack, but I think there's more than a few times where we run and dance around tanks trying to get to a better position to flank it. Anyone with a wallhack on the tank can expose that and pretty much ensure if you step into visibility you're dead--and it doesn't take much skill to make it look semi-legit.

I can also imagine sitting in a chopper as the gunner having a huge advantage too if your wallhack labels your targets like they do in the old CS hacks. Everytime I'm a chopper gunner I feel like I'm panning around too much finding targets.
 
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I learned a lesson long ago, if there is player interaction and someone can cheat and get away with it then they will. More so if it's competitive. Even more so if there is money involved.

I used to play FPS games online LONG ago. When the original UT came out I was good. DAMN good. I was on the leader board for a few months.

Then It started happening. I started to get insta killed a few times too easily. Players seemed to know where I was coming from. I could still hang to a degree, but it was getting a bit strange. All of a sudden some players were "too good" to be true. I would spectate and watch some people fire rockets at a corner that they had no reason to be firing rockets at. Then I would watch as those rockets would land at the exact moment some one ran around the corner and was obliterated. I then saw random people firing flak at walls when no one was there and there was no reason. Only to see them strafe around the wall and there was someone on the other side that they light up.


There were the auto headshots made at ridiculous angles. I was a kid and was like, WTF is this shit? Then I spent some time and learned about the cheats for the game. Some hacker(s) had found the aimbot code to make certain NPCs like Xan auto hit everytime on higher difficulties of the single player game. The would use a disassembler to break the game's executable into assembly code. From there they would find some empty white space areas. They would debug the code and find the part of the code where players would fire and aim was calculated. Then they would add a JUMP from that area to the aim bot code some where else in the executable. Insta head shot everytime. Others were doing wall hacks which basically were coding hacks telling the video cards to change the order in how they draw objects on the screen. Some of the hackers were sophisticated and created programs to do both as well as other things. Like ignore damage coming in.

Then they would sell these programs to all those wanting to cheat. And man there are a lot of kids who want to brag to their friends about how "good" they are.

Every FPS game to date released has been like this. Every game has cheaters in it. I'll admit a few times I would buy a game and play it at first normally. Then when I noticed the cheaters starting to drown out the regular players, I would grab the cheats as well. Why? Puts me on an even footing with those cheaters. Once two people have the same footing, then the person with the better skill is going to come out on top. It was funny when the other cheaters I killed would then get butthurt and call me a cheater when they were doing the same thing but with less skill. Still, this would grow old real fast.

so I rarely even play FPS online if it pits players versus each other. Every time there will be cheaters. Not worth the frustration if you are trying to be legit. And too boring to grab a cheat yourself just to beat up on unskilled cheaters.

I'll play those games at lan parties though where I know everyone playing is legit.
 
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Ok I used to hack on SC too, but only the last maybe 2 months of my SC career. I played legit forever, and then took a long break. Picked it up in 2006 for fun and I noticed people were exceptionally cunning.

I always knew hacks existed, but I never knew it was that prevalent. I was playing Zero Clutter no rush, and by 2006, the SC crowd was very different from before. I decided to mess around and rush in a no rush map. I would spawn a bunch of lings and drop them in their base at say the 10 minute mark before people could finish building their bases.

What I noticed was that some people would counter that perfectly. I'd drop my lings and they'd land on 50 DTs for example and get slashed to bits. What's worse is sometimes its the ALLY that's a hacker, and I'd land in the victim's base who obviously was going to get obliterated, and then instead his ally's siege tanks are waiting conveniently in the base also.

How I eventualyl figured it out was by installing a maphack too. The maphacks show where people ping and then beep when people click on units they're not supposed to see. Well guess what? Those alerts went off left and right in games. In 3v3s, there'd usually be 1 or 2 hackers and one innocent guy on the other team.

It got so bad because in Zero clutter, sometimes people just rush 50 Mutas and blow up the opposing teams main CCs so they have mining issues. Well, I'd have my 50 mutas getting ready to fly across, but somehow I could see the opposing team move carriers and dragoons in place. If I move to the other side, I could see them moving to the other side in preparation. Heh. Blatant?

And if my team pulled off a standard zero clutter victory, I would soemtimes see the opposing team use drophacks. I used to wonder WHY I'd get dropped, but now I know. The maphack I used prevented drophacks, so the only ones standing were the nonhackers. IT sucks because sometimes its 1v2 with me on the 1 after they drop people from a 3v3. And my maphack would alert me when they were using the drop too. I'd see them frantically push the button 20 times hoping to drop me for an easy victory. Unfortunately its hard to win a 2v1 with all hackers because you lose any element of surprise.
 

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I've seen a bit of a transition. Used to be that a lot of the aimbots were designed to kill you as fast as possible, shoot you in the head. But someone repeatedly pulling off 3 head shots in a row was suspicious. Now its all about looking legit while you hack. "Twitch" aimbots seem to have fallen out of favor somewhat. Now the idea is to just create a slight aim assist. So it improves your aim, but the greater your legit aim, the greater your aim will be with the aimbot. I preferred when it was blatant and I could at least know 100% and kick them out.
 

HumblePie

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I've seen a bit of a transition. Used to be that a lot of the aimbots were designed to kill you as fast as possible, shoot you in the head. But someone repeatedly pulling off 3 head shots in a row was suspicious. Now its all about looking legit while you hack. "Twitch" aimbots seem to have fallen out of favor somewhat. Now the idea is to just create a slight aim assist. So it improves your aim, but the greater your legit aim, the greater your aim will be with the aimbot. I preferred when it was blatant and I could at least know 100% and kick them out.

Been that way for awhile.

Website called artifical aiming has code for that. Basically you can use a "hitbox" reticle to help your aiming or assist you in aiming. Lower the spread on some weapons, or do "snaps" to aiming locations based off where you currently are aiming. A person using their code can tweak the program to give them a massive edge while at the same time not looking like they are blatantly cheating. Which means if someone goes into spectate mode it is damn near impossible to determine if it is cheating or the guy is just really good. Of course to do this well you have to be a decent player to begin with. Meaning you have to know a bit of how to aim and play.
 
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I've seen a bit of a transition. Used to be that a lot of the aimbots were designed to kill you as fast as possible, shoot you in the head. But someone repeatedly pulling off 3 head shots in a row was suspicious. Now its all about looking legit while you hack. "Twitch" aimbots seem to have fallen out of favor somewhat. Now the idea is to just create a slight aim assist. So it improves your aim, but the greater your legit aim, the greater your aim will be with the aimbot. I preferred when it was blatant and I could at least know 100% and kick them out.

The thing is aimbots don't even trigger automatically. Towards the end of CS aimbots, there turned to be a trigger button. Either you right click or something to activate it. This is because with wallhacks, you're pretty much ahead and that half second that you will need to 180 is already eliminated. You should be pretty good. So when someone jumps out at you, your crosshairs are already following their body out. If you need aimbot it's because you panned incorrectly.

Aimbots aren't auto fire. It's too obvious. If they auto 180ed and autofired, it'd be too obvious.

In CS, we had aimbots that limited rotation angles. Thus, you could only lock on within your field of view or within a certain FOV you specify. Furthermore it would only lock on if you pressed a hotkey. Like I said, with anti recoil, wallhack, you should be easily 5:1. If we needed aimbot I'd try as much legit aiming as I could and then lock on a little later. Or I'd follow them jumping out and delay a little, then lock and fire. Honestly, only idiots have autofire and auto lock on where the minute your finger sticks out a hallway, you get shot into pieces.

I imagine BF3 to be harder simply because the maps are larger, and especially in the large maps like Kharg island where you're probably exposed to 5 ppl at once, so just stepping out would put yourself at huge risk. I'm pretty sure in the Metro map, you can get a very good ratio with corners and CQB.
 

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Well DLerium, I would like to sit here and call you a major scumbag but at least you own up to doing it and seem to not do it anymore. So I will call you a former skeeze....lol

Seriously though, it just sucks that this has gotten so bad that I don't even want to play any shooters anymore. The only shooter I plan on buying in the next 2 years is Borderlands 2 and that is only because I have 3 other people in my house to play with because, luckily, my wife and kids love it. The proliferation of this cheating culture should give devs a reason to bring back 4 player split screen and local networking on all their games now, though.

So maybe, hopefully, in the end something good will come out of it.
 

CubicZirconia

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Maybe you don't remember, but practically every server was CRAWLING with hackers. Aimbotting didn't even set you apart. Even if you out aimbotted them, they'd respawn out of nowhere and start shooting you.

The solution to that was to one up them again with the ghost camera hack... LOL. Nothing like a team of 8 cheaters running around de_dust and then out of nowhere a ghost glock fires and someone dies. Panic ensues.

Yes call me guilty or whatever, but that's how CS was back in the 1.0, 1.1 era... and even up to 1.3.

Huge over exaggeration here. I played CS for maybe 5-6 years starting with the first beta releases and never hacked. There were obviously hackers, but certainly not so many that the game wasn't enjoyable without hacking. Saying that practically every server was crawling with hackers is just completely untrue. Having to quit a server because I felt it was overrun with hackers was definitely a rarity. I seemed to do fine w/o aimbots or wallhacks or whatever. I can see how people would use this as an excuse to rationalize their own cheating though.

Also have played 5-6 hours of BF3 this week. If anyone was hacking on the servers I was playing on they were doing a terrible job of it.

Not playing any online shooters because you feel cheaters have overrun the game is just stupid.
 

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Huge over exaggeration here. I played CS for maybe 5-6 years starting with the first beta releases and never hacked. There were obviously hackers, but certainly not so many that the game wasn't enjoyable without hacking. Saying that practically every server was crawling with hackers is just completely untrue. Having to quit a server because I felt it was overrun with hackers was definitely a rarity. I seemed to do fine w/o aimbots or wallhacks or whatever. I can see how people would use this as an excuse to rationalize their own cheating though.

Also have played 5-6 hours of BF3 this week. If anyone was hacking on the servers I was playing on they were doing a terrible job of it.

Not playing any online shooters because you feel cheaters have overrun the game is just stupid.

This is my experience with CS:S. Blatant hackers were rare. I probably couldn't tell if they were going to such sneaky lengths as DLerium suggested. Its certainly possible I've been a regular victim to hackers all along but its hard to say one way or the other.

I can honestly say the only cheating I've ever done is I turned off the red screen color effect on the scoped storm trooper rifle in Mysteries of the Sith. That's it. Although even when I had it on I was routinely banned for "hacking" in that game anyway. The scout scope is super overpowered in that game but everyone thought the jedi class was best so they considered it impossible to be repeatedly killed by the scout.

Jedi Knight was so easy to hack that there were actually "servers" (the game is peer to peer) advertised as hacking servers. I'd joined a few accidentally and it was kind of hilarious really...people shooting force lightning out their ass while blasting force destruction from a gun. Although I'm sure they all had constant force speed and force absorb on.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Not playing any online shooters because you feel cheaters have overrun the game is just stupid.

That is not true at all but in same cases you are right. I find that about 2 out of 3 shooters have enough hackers to make it unenjoyable, at the very least. And when it comes to CoD that ratio goes to 3 out of 3...lol
 

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Hacking exists and is certainly a real problem in some instances, but it is also often overblown. In my experience the vast majority (95%+) of people who are called hackers in chat are simply better at the game than the person making the accusation.

Consider that half of the posters in this thread are worse than average FPS players. Combine this with the fact that most people feel better about blaming other people for their misfortunes and the result is that the majority of FPS hacking claims I see are misguided. It is similar to claims about account hacking in MMO games where the culprit is usually just an associate who was told the password.

The flagrant aim bots are impossible to miss, but you can also detect the more sophisticated cheaters if you know what to look for. They are usually worse players in general (movement, map strategy, weapon strategy). If you think they may be wall hacking then keep a consistent pace on your circuits but pause briefly before turning into open. If you think they are using a toggled aim bot then circle around behind them into close range but do not kill them. It will almost always be absurdly obvious if they depend on a bot. If it is not then they are probably just a skilled aimer.
 

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What a stupid reply.

Having to repeatedly hop from one server to another because of hackers interferes with the overall enjoyment of the game.

I used to play football after work. Everyone played by the rules and fun was had by everyone. If players start cheating and acting like twats then it reduces the enjoyment and people lose the incentive to continue playing.

Whilst finding other people is an option it just adds to the hassle.

Sport is no different... you get drug cheats. Where ever there is competition there is cheating. Some people will do anything to win and nothing else matters except winning.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Sport is no different... you get drug cheats. Where ever there is competition there is cheating. Some people will do anything to win and nothing else matters except winning.

Which is why "competition" and "competitive" are useless misnomers now. They should call it whale feeding instead of "competition" since the whale with all the cheats just eats all of us honest little plankton.

Josh, *sigh*.
 

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Which is why "competition" and "competitive" are useless misnomers now. They should call it whale feeding instead of "competition" since the whale with all the cheats just eats all of us honest little plankton.

Josh, *sigh*.
Ive never hacked/cheated in any game and I still enjoy online multiplayer FPS's. I havent played competitively in years but in BF3, Black Ops, and CoD4 Im usually at or at least near the top of the scoreboard most of time. If I see blatant cheating and no admin is around to deal with it, Ill just leave that server and find another. That doesnt happen very often and it helps to play with a regular group of people. If some are cheating (and Im sure they are) but its not obvious, then why should I let that ruin something I enjoy.

On the other side of the coin: You may have noticed MW2 and MW3 not listed above and thats because the cheaters/hacked lobbies there are so rampant. And thanks to IWNET there is no way to deal with them.
 
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Huge over exaggeration here. I played CS for maybe 5-6 years starting with the first beta releases and never hacked. There were obviously hackers, but certainly not so many that the game wasn't enjoyable without hacking. Saying that practically every server was crawling with hackers is just completely untrue. Having to quit a server because I felt it was overrun with hackers was definitely a rarity. I seemed to do fine w/o aimbots or wallhacks or whatever. I can see how people would use this as an excuse to rationalize their own cheating though.

Also have played 5-6 hours of BF3 this week. If anyone was hacking on the servers I was playing on they were doing a terrible job of it.

Not playing any online shooters because you feel cheaters have overrun the game is just stupid.
Perhaps. I was too young with CS 5 beta, 6.6, 7.1, etc. I didn't get hacks till 1.1... I think that was sophomore year of high school. There was a point where OGC made hacks and put them online and they were good for months and months. They'd beat Punkbuster, and any type of anti cheat. VAC later came in and made that all useless, but I think there was a good window when cheats were available left and right. It was done all easier than BF3.

This is my experience with CS:S. Blatant hackers were rare. I probably couldn't tell if they were going to such sneaky lengths as DLerium suggested. Its certainly possible I've been a regular victim to hackers all along but its hard to say one way or the other.

I think you need to look at what's at stake here. In CS:s what are you hacking for? To rage the server and go 50-1? Then you'd be blatant. In BF3 you're getting medals, and there's a lot more fun in the game overall as a war game and raging is even crazier. Plus, people are leveling up for items and ribbons.

Like the Reddit post says, most hackers are closet hackers. They'll shoot only when you're visible, and essentially use it as an aiming guide. Theyll probably try to shoot you a few times and then hit the toggle Aimbot hotkey and have aim assist finish you off. Not everyone wants to be standing there and have their aimbot do sweeping 360 auto kills. That's not even fun.

But thats probably just how I hacked in CS. There might be other new techniques.

I see how BF3 encourages cheating though. The leveling system can take forever, and its like a mini RPG. If you don't spend hours and hours at it ~500 hours or so to max out on BC2 at minimum I'd say.
 
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Capt Caveman

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Wow. i wonder if similar stuff exists on Bad company 2? I've seen the one or other obvious aimboter but on servers I play it's rather rare. However I've always suspected some players are cheating but it wasn't 100% obvious impossible to proof.

But i did see that often when you tell them "Go aimbot on another server" they deny cheating and then leave.

However on the servers I play I would say at least 95% of players don't cheat due to the simple fact that it isn't that hard to be the best player (especially as medic).

I ban hackers in BFBC2 all the time. Some come on to advertise their hack sites.
 
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