BFG 6800 GT OC

[Shinei]

Mm, I love the flames, they're so warm and cuddly, like sea urchins.

Anyway, what I was actually saying is that complaining about the PVP unit not working is like complaining that your video card doesn't overclock like you thought it would, and then demanding the manufacturer give you your money back, or a new card, since you didn't get what you wanted. You took a gamble, apparently it failed. Read my other post for more.

 

[Reliant1]

It does work it just doesn't decode WMV9 like the 6600 and 6200 lines. It will still decode MPEG2. I think everyone is just being silly now. Why don't you run over to ATI and use their video processor.... oh wait they don't have one.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Shinei
nVidia made a mistake, no doubt about it, but getting indignant and self-righteous about it isn't going to make nVidia suddenly roll over and pour millions of dollars into refabbing the NV40 core and re-issuing fixed cores to everybody who owns a 6800; at this point, there are far too many 6800s in the world for that to be a viable option.

Edit: The preceding is targeted to DAPUNISHER, not HardWarrior. I don't want to get in the middle of that catfight.

How is expecting a company to not falsely advertise their product self-rightous? What is wrong with expecting BFG, the manufacturer of my defective product to replace it wrong? nVidia has admitted the PVP is broken, BFG therefore sold me a defective product. Their warranty states

BFG Technologies is proud to warrant the original purchaser of the graphics card included in this package ("Product") that the Product will be free from defects in material or workmanship for as long as the original purchaser owns the product, when given normal wear and proper usage.

Mine clearly meets this criteria. Subsequently I have no idea what you are getting at, unless you are saying I should give them a "get out of financial responsibility for their fvck-ups free" card and move on? If so, I kindly reject your advice and will keep my own council on this matter

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Shinei
Mm, I love the flames, they're so warm and cuddly, like sea urchins.

Anyway, what I was actually saying is that complaining about the PVP unit not working is like complaining that your video card doesn't overclock like you thought it would, and then demanding the manufacturer give you your money back, or a new card, since you didn't get what you wanted. You took a gamble, apparently it failed. Read my other post for more.

EVERY WORD in reply is a "flame" when one can't STAND being disagreed with. But conversely it's okay for you to pop in and tell me that I'm some sort of retard for not dealing with this situation in a way that garners YOUR blessing. Yeah, no problem with THAT.

What you were "actually" saying? Right. I think we all got that the first time you cracked-wise. A convoluted, disassociated and completely WRONG-HEADED metaphor really isn't needed. Trust me on this. I'll deal with this in a fashion that suits me, not you.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Reliant1
It does work it just doesn't decode WMV9 like the 6600 and 6200 lines. It will still decode MPEG2. I think everyone is just being silly now. Why don't you run over to ATI and use their video processor.... oh wait they don't have one.

I'm being "silly" for expecting a product to meet its stated features? You know what? Instead of wasting your time trying to explain away a ROYAL cock-up, on a card >I< have, you should go back to whatever it was you were doing and be happy in weeny-land.

 

[Shinei]

If I was a lawyer, I'd just point out that the NV40 is first-generation technology, and subsequent revisions of NV40 include functional PVP units, therefore not incorporating fallacious statements in any advertising media. The PVP device does work, just not on the experimental NV40 units. Additionally, I could argue that the "defects in material and workmanship" applies to physical hardware, in that if your GPU suddenly started idling at 150C and releasing silicon dioxide into your case, your GPU is clearly defective and interferes with your ability as an average consumer to enjoy your product; similarly, if you purchase a 6800GT and four pipelines are broken as a result of a mistake at the factory, you're entitled to a product that qualifies for what you paid for (as a 6800NU is not what you paid for, and a 6800NU clearly affects your ability to enjoy the 6800GT you paid for).
A PVP unit not working properly is not cause for a company to be obligated to do anything, other than apologize and blame it on their fabbing distributors, since they only make the cards, they don't build the components. Additionally, the PVP unit not working properly does not interfere with the average user's ability to enjoy their 6800, it only annoys a small percentage of people who are power users. I imagine most people who have 6800s don't even know they have a PVP unit, or know if it's functional, at that. Expecting BFG to throw you a free, "fixed" NV40 is fruitless, since they aren't required to supply you with minor hardware fixes; they could, if they desired to, but if they decide not to, there's not much you can do about it.

Edit: I love how people who flame and call names insist that they're just disagreeing. Calling me names won't change the situation, nor will it incite companies to suddenly decide to give you free stuff that they're not obligated to. All it does is make me wonder why you aren't on vacation. And last time I checked, I never name-called, nor said you were a retard; insecurity is the heart of 98% of all inferences, I guess.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Shinei
If I was a lawyer, -BLAHBLAHBABLAH- But I'm soo smart that...

Whuh? All this high-pressure drivel and you don't even HAVE a 6800-based card??? What a crashing BORE you are!

 

[Shinei]

Actually, I'm quite pleased with my BFG 6800GT (with its non-functioning PVP unit, I checked with WMV-HD video). I just don't find the loss to be of great importance, since the card works flawlessly otherwise and delivers amazing performance in every game I throw at it; if I was a heavy media-encoder, I might be a little more miffed, but most media-encoders use Pentium 4s, which cap CPU usage at 50% thanks to their HT technology (if you read the other PVP complaint thread, you'd see that most P4 users didn't even realize the PVP was broken until they disabled HT). And since the card works exactly as intended, I don't intend to complain to BFG for a functional PVP unit; that'd be like going to Toyota and demanding a new Camry because one of the headlights was burned out. (I figure, if I throw enough analogies at this thread, one of them will be recognized as a similarity. )

 

[HardWarrior]

Are you REALLY so shallow as to think that YOUR feelings, concerns and PERSONAL situation on this issue should supercede those of everyone else involved? I'm constantly amazed at how the most petty aspects of human nature are magnified by this medium. To use an APPROPRIATE metaphor: If something doesn't work on a new car and I take it back for a fix, there's never a person prancing about telling me that I shouldn't be concerned and simply accept the defect because HE doesn't see it as a problem and that I have to take into account the dealers bottom line.

 

[MDE]

All I can say is wait for the refresh (6900 or whatever comes out) and then RMA and ask for the updated card.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: MDE
All I can say is wait for the refresh (6900 or whatever comes out) and then RMA and ask for the updated card.

That's the plan, provided I don't dump it for a pro VIVO first.

 

[imported_kouch]

I have an evga 6800 limited edition in the mail and this pvp issue does bum me out a little, but I won't be losing any sleep over it.

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: Shinei
If I was a lawyer, I'd just point out that the NV40 is first-generation technology, and subsequent revisions of NV40 include functional PVP units, therefore not incorporating fallacious statements in any advertising media. The PVP device does work, just not on the experimental NV40 units. Additionally, I could argue that the "defects in material and workmanship" applies to physical hardware, in that if your GPU suddenly started idling at 150C and releasing silicon dioxide into your case, your GPU is clearly defective and interferes with your ability as an average consumer to enjoy your product; similarly, if you purchase a 6800GT and four pipelines are broken as a result of a mistake at the factory, you're entitled to a product that qualifies for what you paid for (as a 6800NU is not what you paid for, and a 6800NU clearly affects your ability to enjoy the 6800GT you paid for).
A PVP unit not working properly is not cause for a company to be obligated to do anything, other than apologize and blame it on their fabbing distributors, since they only make the cards, they don't build the components. Additionally, the PVP unit not working properly does not interfere with the average user's ability to enjoy their 6800, it only annoys a small percentage of people who are power users. I imagine most people who have 6800s don't even know they have a PVP unit, or know if it's functional, at that. Expecting BFG to throw you a free, "fixed" NV40 is fruitless, since they aren't required to supply you with minor hardware fixes; they could, if they desired to, but if they decide not to, there's not much you can do about it.

Edit: I love how people who flame and call names insist that they're just disagreeing. Calling me names won't change the situation, nor will it incite companies to suddenly decide to give you free stuff that they're not obligated to. All it does is make me wonder why you aren't on vacation. And last time I checked, I never name-called, nor said you were a retard; insecurity is the heart of 98% of all inferences, I guess.

In that case, in addition to false advertisement, I would also sue for negligence and fraud for selling us an "experimental" product.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: MDE
All I can say is wait for the refresh (6900 or whatever comes out) and then RMA and ask for the updated card.

EXACTLY what I was thinking! :thumbsup:

 

[carage]

I've just got off the phone with BFG techsupport 5 minutes ago.
The rep says nVidia is fixing it right now, and the issue should be resolved by the next official driver release at the end of November.

 

[HardWarrior]

That's good to hear. Anything on the nature of this fix?

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
That's good to hear. Anything on the nature of this fix?

BFG tech rep says they are not allowed to comment on what nVidia does, but he can assure BFG users that the problem will be fixed.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
That's good to hear. Anything on the nature of this fix?

BFG tech rep says they are not allowed to comment on what nVidia does, but he can assure BFG users that the problem will be fixed.

Was the rep you spoke to named Dan? Well, it sounds all fluffy and nice, but after what nV tried to do they'd better deliver, and in a way that doesn't leave me with an even worse taste in my mouth.

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: carage

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
That's good to hear. Anything on the nature of this fix?

BFG tech rep says they are not allowed to comment on what nVidia does, but he can assure BFG users that the problem will be fixed.

Was the rep you spoke to named Dan? Well, it sounds all fluffy and nice, but after what nV tried to do they'd better deliver, and in a way that doesn't leave me with an even worse taste in my mouth.

Unfortunately, I didn't ask his name.