Bible Mandates stoning of rebellious children.

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
The reality is that Christians have been duped to follow an ancient thousand year old myth. Oops....did I just say that?

It's amazing that with the intellect of a four-year-old, you think you're capable of mocking a religion followed by billions of people worldwide.

I don't mock Christians at all, only those who proclaim the Bible to be word for word accurate and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Any religion that preaches good moral values is fine by me.

 

[dahunan]

Why did GOD fvck up the teachings in the bible? and he had to write a service pack called the new testament?

Old Testament is "Word of God" -- New Testament is "What God really meant to say but his Son knew how to say it better"?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Why did GOD fvck up the teachings in the bible? and he had to write a service pack called the new testament?

Old Testament is "Word of God" -- New Testament is "What God really meant to say but his Son knew how to say it better"?

Exactly, it just boggles my mind how some continually repeat how the Bibel is word-for-word directly from God. The Bible is RIDDLED with inaccuracies and contradicting text, there is no way that it was created or "inspired" directly from God. There is nothing that makes the Bible any different from any other major religious text from any other religion, in terms of absolute truth.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Sultan
Do you consider the Bible to the be the words of God? If so, how do you pick and choose? Wouldnt God define Ethics better than you? How do humans add to Christian codes of behavior? Did the Bible said these people are to be heard and followed?

The Bible is a recording, by men, of events and statements inspired by God. Even if God guided guided the writinig himself so that it really is infallible, stoning of children as described in the OP is directly contradictory to the teachings of the NT (where Jesus basically says men should not be judging each other).

are you saying that the bible is not the word of god? or is just the new testament that is? if you are saying that the OT contradicts the NT because the bible is written by man, then it is not really the word of god, now is it? you can't have it both ways... it is either the word of god, or it is the word of men who may or may not be listening to god.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I don't mock Christians at all, only those who proclaim the Bible to be word for word accurate and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Any religion that preaches good moral values is fine by me.

You just did mock all Christians.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I don't mock Christians at all, only those who proclaim the Bible to be word for word accurate and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Any religion that preaches good moral values is fine by me.

You just did mock all Christians.

not all christians believe the bible is word for word accurate... like yourself, seeing as you believe parts of the OT to be inaccurate.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: maluckey

mal, who is Joshua B. Joseph to declare the old covenant dead and in place declare himself to be the definer of the new convenant??

If you are not being sarcastic....

He is declared to be the Messiah by the Christians. By this right he has the authority to declare ANY Church Law as he sees fit.

With the New Covenant, many of the older ways were left by the wayside, and others added. Many of the old prohibitions were lifted, and a few warnings were added that hadn't been clearly addresed.

my fault, i never knew him by his full name, seriously. i either knew him as yeshua, or jesus, but never joshua joseph (what's the B stand for?)

but this goes to my asking why couldn't jesus just have been someone who declared themselves to be the messiah while not really being the son of god?

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I don't mock Christians at all, only those who proclaim the Bible to be word for word accurate and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Any religion that preaches good moral values is fine by me.

You just did mock all Christians.

not all christians believe the bible is word for word accurate... like yourself, seeing as you believe parts of the OT to be inaccurate.

don't bother arguing with cyclowizard, when he gets a scraped knee like this he just sits there crying without answering any valid questions

just give him some tissues and keep it moving

 

[maluckey]

but this goes to my asking why couldn't jesus just have been someone who declared themselves to be the messiah while not really being the son of god?

So say the Jewish. They do not accept Jeshua/Joshua/Jesus to be anything other than a prophet, and a minor one at that.

BTW, the way names in those times were constructed was to use the name of the father as a Surname, and Jesua translates most closely in English as Joshua. Christ is derived from Cristos, and in English translates to Messiah. So, Joshua Bar (Bar is like like the "O" in O'Reilley) Joseph was the name of the Man from Nazareth claiming to be the Son of Yahweh and Messiah to the Jewish.

 

[KidViciou$]

gotcha, but for some reason i'm more inclined to agree with the jews on this in that jesus was a man of peace, and good deeds, but he was however not the son of god as i neither believe nor disbelieve in god


you would think that god would make an appearnace in EVERYONE'S life to show them there is a higher being looking out for them, but that never happens

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
gotcha, but for some reason i'm more inclined to agree with the jews on this in that jesus was a man of peace, and good deeds, but he was however not the son of god as i neither believe nor disbelieve in god


you would think that god would make an appearnace in EVERYONE'S life to show them there is a higher being looking out for them, but that never happens

the christians i know explain that away by telling me that he is actually showing himself to me, i just refuse to see it.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I don't mock Christians at all, only those who proclaim the Bible to be word for word accurate and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Any religion that preaches good moral values is fine by me.

You just did mock all Christians.

not all christians believe the bible is word for word accurate... like yourself, seeing as you believe parts of the OT to be inaccurate.

don't bother arguing with cyclowizard, when he gets a scraped knee like this he just sits there crying without answering any valid questions

just give him some tissues and keep it moving

Still waiting for a response from CycloWizard in the gay marriage thread. Guess he's too busy tending to his scraped knee. :disgust:

 

[rasholianmon]

the true christians do.

2 Timothy 3:16 says that "ALL Scriptures are inspired of God and are beneficial for teaching, for proving, for setting things straight, that the man of righteousness may be equipped for every good work."

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I don't mock Christians at all, only those who proclaim the Bible to be word for word accurate and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Any religion that preaches good moral values is fine by me.

You just did mock all Christians.

not all christians believe the bible is word for word accurate... like yourself, seeing as you believe parts of the OT to be inaccurate.

I don't believe the Bible is word-for-word accurate. However, his original post had absolutely NO indication that this was his actual message. In case you forgot, he said "The reality is that Christians have been duped to follow an ancient thousand year old myth. Oops....did I just say that?"

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
don't bother arguing with cyclowizard, when he gets a scraped knee like this he just sits there crying without answering any valid questions

just give him some tissues and keep it moving

The troll is strong with this one. Unfortunately, it's much stronger than his reading comprehension.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Still waiting for a response from CycloWizard in the gay marriage thread. Guess he's too busy tending to his scraped knee. :disgust:

s for everyone! Sorry I can't attend to your every need - my internet has been down since the 31st. I made a couple posts from the computer labs on campus.

If any of you could refrain from personal attacks for thirty seconds and post something relevant, it would be greatly appreciated. :roll:

 

[piasabird]

No Tell them to quote the verse.

Many penalties in the old testament were rather harsh. I dont recall reading that when I was studying the Bible. Maybe beating or using the Rod, but I dont recall stoning a child for just disobedience.

I think in the parables it says spare the rod and spoil the child.

Rod is also a biblical term which means book, and can refer to the teachings of the prophets or the jewish old testament; i.e. Rod of Judah.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I don't mock Christians at all, only those who proclaim the Bible to be word for word accurate and that Jesus is the only way into heaven. Any religion that preaches good moral values is fine by me.

You just did mock all Christians.

not all christians believe the bible is word for word accurate... like yourself, seeing as you believe parts of the OT to be inaccurate.

I don't believe the Bible is word-for-word accurate. However, his original post had absolutely NO indication that this was his actual message. In case you forgot, he said "The reality is that Christians have been duped to follow an ancient thousand year old myth. Oops....did I just say that?"

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
don't bother arguing with cyclowizard, when he gets a scraped knee like this he just sits there crying without answering any valid questions

just give him some tissues and keep it moving

The troll is strong with this one. Unfortunately, it's much stronger than his reading comprehension.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Still waiting for a response from CycloWizard in the gay marriage thread. Guess he's too busy tending to his scraped knee. :disgust:

s for everyone! Sorry I can't attend to your every need - my internet has been down since the 31st. I made a couple posts from the computer labs on campus.

If any of you could refrain from personal attacks for thirty seconds and post something relevant, it would be greatly appreciated. :roll:

yea, the troll is strong with me when you won't even answer questions asked of you :roll:

also, my reading comprehension is bad when even after things have been thoroughly explained to you you still don't get it . cyclo =


and i didn't say what i said about you just because of this incident. even in other threads where you tried jumping on me, after i replied you would no longer answer my questions

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Old Testament is "Word of God" -- New Testament is "What God really meant to say but his Son knew how to say it better"?

God sacrificing himself (Jesus) dramatically changed the way in which humans can interact with God. Now that the propitiation of sin was completed and perfected, God could send the Holy Spirit upon all those who believed on Jesus. Christians don't follow the law per se; our only "task" is to defer all our energy to be used to glorify Christ; obedience of the law comes through empowerment by the Holy Spirit. No mature Christian strives to be holy as an end; he strives to magnify God, and holiness or lawful behavior is a product of that striving. Paul was right when he said that Christians are not mastered by the law. But this freedom came only after Christ died and was resurrected.

Concerning the issue of stoning rebels: Judaism and Christianity today discard that law; it was designed to maintain order in ancient Israel; ancient Israel no longer exists.

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Aimster
[...]

Deu21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

Deu21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. (KJV)

There's gonna be a hell of a lot of stoned sons and daughters in the bible belt after tonight me thinks.

That doesn't count - read the quote - you have to use actual stones...

8)

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

Old Testament is "Word of God" -- New Testament is "What God really meant to say but his Son knew how to say it better"?

God sacrificing himself (Jesus) dramatically changed the way in which humans can interact with God. Now that the propitiation of sin was completed and perfected, God could send the Holy Spirit upon all those who believed on Jesus. Christians don't follow the law per se; our only "task" is to defer all our energy to be used to glorify Christ; obedience of the law comes through empowerment by the Holy Spirit. No mature Christian strives to be holy as an end; he strives to magnify God, and holiness or lawful behavior is a product of that striving. Paul was right when he said that Christians are not mastered by the law. But this freedom came only after Christ died and was resurrected.

Concerning the issue of stoning rebels: Judaism and Christianity today discard that law; it was designed to maintain order in ancient Israel; ancient Israel no longer exists.

then god is vain

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

Old Testament is "Word of God" -- New Testament is "What God really meant to say but his Son knew how to say it better"?

God sacrificing himself (Jesus) dramatically changed the way in which humans can interact with God. Now that the propitiation of sin was completed and perfected, God could send the Holy Spirit upon all those who believed on Jesus. Christians don't follow the law per se; our only "task" is to defer all our energy to be used to glorify Christ; obedience of the law comes through empowerment by the Holy Spirit. No mature Christian strives to be holy as an end; he strives to magnify God, and holiness or lawful behavior is a product of that striving. Paul was right when he said that Christians are not mastered by the law. But this freedom came only after Christ died and was resurrected.

Concerning the issue of stoning rebels: Judaism and Christianity today discard that law; it was designed to maintain order in ancient Israel; ancient Israel no longer exists.

then god is vain

??

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
gotcha, but for some reason i'm more inclined to agree with the jews on this in that jesus was a man of peace, and good deeds, but he was however not the son of god as i neither believe nor disbelieve in god


you would think that god would make an appearnace in EVERYONE'S life to show them there is a higher being looking out for them, but that never happens

Well... Seeing as there are a few Christians on ATOT *COUGH RIP COUGH* who tell you that there is a higher being looking out for all of us andn that accepting Jesus as your savior is the only way to heaven...

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

Old Testament is "Word of God" -- New Testament is "What God really meant to say but his Son knew how to say it better"?

God sacrificing himself (Jesus) dramatically changed the way in which humans can interact with God. Now that the propitiation of sin was completed and perfected, God could send the Holy Spirit upon all those who believed on Jesus. Christians don't follow the law per se; our only "task" is to defer all our energy to be used to glorify Christ; obedience of the law comes through empowerment by the Holy Spirit. No mature Christian strives to be holy as an end; he strives to magnify God, and holiness or lawful behavior is a product of that striving. Paul was right when he said that Christians are not mastered by the law. But this freedom came only after Christ died and was resurrected.

Concerning the issue of stoning rebels: Judaism and Christianity today discard that law; it was designed to maintain order in ancient Israel; ancient Israel no longer exists.

then god is vain

??

bolded for clarity, and as far as not getting into heavan because you don't believe in jesus as the messiah, i don't see the logic in that if one were to follow ALL of jesus' teachings, except for him being the messiah

 

[maluckey]

Christian teachings allow that others not of Christian faith, that have not heard the Word, may still enjoy the benefits of the Messiahs sacrifice. Upon the Resurection of he dead they will be shown the way. Also The mere fact that you are saved is NO guarantee of life everlasting. A man is judged not by words or single actions alone, rather his lifetime of actions versus what he truly has learned and tried to do righteously. If a man has sinned, learned his lesson from it, is heartfelt sorry, AND does not atttempt to repeat that action, then he follows the path. Otherwise he pays lip serve to the congregations teachings, and cannot be saved. The easiest definition of sin is nothing more than missing the mark set forth by the church teachings.

I have always found that put up or shut up is the true Christian message. Paul makes this clear in hiw teachings.

 

[KidViciou$]

well mal, if the actions are what are judged, instead of the words, and the fact that you have to devote your life to christ, then it's all fine with me and i could call myself a christian. however, its thefact that you DO have to devote your life to christ which is where the problem for me comes in

 

[maluckey]

Ah!

Therein lies the issue that is not a true issue. Those which have been raised and taught in the ways of Christianity have little recourse, but others from backgrounds not within the faith, or from families that do not truly practice, have a kind of umbrella of protection to use.

Jews, Muslims Hindus etc. are also under that same big umbrella. ONLY those who learn the Christian "truth" then reject it, deny themselves of life everlasting say the teachings.